Where's the money, Lebowski?

[Blazed]

>What else was he supposed to do with the money exactly?
You're confused as to what should be done with $2.3 million one has no immediate use for?
You feel that it should be immediately flushed down the toilet? Have you considered *saving* it?

>Theymos owns the forum
No, theymos does not own this forum.
Theymos has never claimed to be the owner of this forum.
Theymos runs this forum, like a CEO runs a company.
The money was not donated to theymos, it was donated to bitcointalk.
When a CEO pockets corporate funds, it's called embezzlement, which is a bad thing.

The forum simply does not need millions of dollars just sitting around. A forum that makes better forum software..how is that not a good use? I like the idea of better forum software and the fact they open sourced it is a bonus.

[RobRoyder]

Nobody needs "millions of dollars just sitting around." This doesn't imply that the only options are "flushing it down the toilet" or "spend it on re-writing existing, in all likelihood superior, and most of all *free,* software."

Also of note:

-After a 2.3-million-dollar expenditure, there is NO NEW FORUM SOFTWARE, better or worse than SMF 1.1.19, the six-year-old 2009 copy of SMF forum software bitcointalk is currently running. There's no product.
-Better forum software already exists, one example is called SMF 2.0.11. It's the Sept. 2015 update of SMF 1.1.19, the six-year-old 2009 copy of SMF forum software bitcointalk is currently running. It's tested, it works, and you can click here to download it for free.
-In the meantime, bitcointalk is still running the shitty six-year-old 2009 copy of SMF software. And will likely do so for the foreseeable future.

But this is all beside the point. The software is just a byproduct -- flotsam and jetsam -- neither here nor there. You know this as well as I do.

[Lauda]

And will likely do so for the foreseeable future.

Wrong. I'm using the new software right now. Stop trolling because you have no evidence to back up such claims.

[RobRoyder]

And will likely do so for the foreseeable future.

Wrong. I'm using the new software right now. Stop trolling because you have no evidence to back up such claims.

Please feel free to describe the advantages of the new (as yet unfinished, $2.3 million dollar ++) software over SMF 2.0.11.

Also:
You can not possibly know how secure the new (unfinished and untested) software is.
You can not possibly know how how it will scale.
You can not possibly know what maintenance/community support will be

Also:

[...]
But this is all beside the point. The software is just a byproduct -- flotsam and jetsam -- neither here nor there. You know this as well as I do.

*but kudos for knowing who butters your bread.

[vodaljepa]

And will likely do so for the foreseeable future.

Wrong. I'm using the new software right now. Stop trolling because you have no evidence to back up such claims.

Post a screenshot or total BS

[Lauda]

Post a screenshot or total BS

I will not. If theymos feels like it is the appropriate time to post anything about it, then he will. Who am I to do something?

Please feel free to describe the advantages of the new (as yet unfinished, $2.3 million dollar ++) software over SMF 2.0.11.

Also:
You can not possibly know how secure the new (unfinished and untested) software is.
You can not possibly know how how it will scale.
You can not possibly know what maintenance/community support will be

Everything is better than SMF. Stop trolling. It is pretty obvious that envy is present here.

[RobRoyder]

Pains me to see you reduced to lying and toadying for the few crumbs which fall your way from theymos' table, Lauda.

Cпacибo тoвapищy Cтaлинy зa нaшe cчacтливoe дeтcтвo!

[Lauda]

Pains me to see you reduced to lying and toadying for the few crumbs that fall your way from theymos' table, Lauda.

I don't get anything that I do not deserve by moderating. Me agreeing or disagreeing with theymos (I do on quite a few things) does not affect that at all. The forum is there. If I had the 'green light' to post a screenshot I would. Until then, you will have to be a bit more patient Lebowski.

[RobRoyder]

Pains me to see you reduced to lying and toadying for the few crumbs that fall your way from theymos' table, Lauda.

I don't get anything that I do not deserve by moderating. Me agreeing or disagreeing with theymos (I do on quite a few things) does not affect that at all. The forum is there. If I had the 'green light' to post a screenshot I would. Until then, you will have to be a bit more patient Lebowski.

>If I had the 'green light' to post a screenshot I would.

You clearly don't understand how open source software works, Secret Squirrel.
Also: Get better at lying, or stop embarrassing yourself.

TOP SECRET! https://github.com/epochtalk/epochtalk TOP SECRET

[Lauda]

You clearly don't understand how open source software works, Secret Squirrel.
Also: Get better at lying, or stop embarrassing yourself.

Epochtalk is the software behind BTCT AFAIK, that is open source. The new BTCT is not open to the public (yet). Not sure what you think you're implying here, but it is definitely wrong.

[RobRoyder]

You clearly don't understand how open source software works, Secret Squirrel.
Also: Get better at lying, or stop embarrassing yourself.

Epochtalk is the software behind BTCT AFAIK, that is open source. The new BTCT is not open to the public (yet). Not sure what you think you're implying here, but it is definitely wrong.

Not implying anything, Lauda -- telling you that you're lying like a rug.
You did not post a screenshot because you don't have it running on your box.
Just how credulous do you think I am?

[...]
The current status of the software is that it's ~85% done.
[...]

[Lauda]

Not implying anything, Lauda -- telling you that you're lying like a rug.
You did not post a screenshot because you don't have it running on your box.

Why would I have it running on my 'box' when the private beta is already hosted (and has been for quite some time)? There's a flaw in your logic. Give it up to 2 more months and you will see why you were wrong.

[RobRoyder]

[...] Give it up to 2 more months weeks and you will see why you were wrong.

Not before the end of the month? 

[...]There will be a public beta before the end of the month, I think, at which time I'll post more about what's left to be done.

I have no idea why it doesn't run on your box, because it's broken? I'm as trusting of this 'private beta' as I am of theymos honestly spending 2.3+ million dollars on new BBS forum software.

What could a screen cap possibly reveal that's not in the source code, exactly?
Why would an open source project be afraid to post screen caps?
How many layers of bullshit are you going to pile on here?

[achow101]

[...] Give it up to 2 more months weeks and you will see why you were wrong.

Not before the end of the month?  

[...]There will be a public beta before the end of the month, I think, at which time I'll post more about what's left to be done.

I have no idea why it doesn't run on your box, because it's broken? I'm as trusting of this 'private beta' as I am of theymos honestly spending 2.3+ million dollars on new BBS forum software.

What could a screen cap possibly reveal that's not in the source code, exactly?
Why would an open source project be afraid to post screen caps?
How many layers of bullshit are you going to pile on here?

I think he is saying that he is accessing the forum on a site that uses the new forum software. That site is a PRIVATE beta of the new software for Bitcointalk. It is essentially another site that mirrors the current one, but it is run by Theymos and therefore is actually Bitcointalk. Since it is a PRIVATE BETA, he is not allowed to disclose any information about said PRIVATE BETA so he cannot post a screenshot. He is NOT running the software on his own box.

And will likely do so for the foreseeable future.

Wrong. I'm using the new software right now. Stop trolling because you have no evidence to back up such claims.

Please feel free to describe the advantages of the new (as yet unfinished, $2.3 million dollar ++) software over SMF 2.0.11.

Also:
You can not possibly know how secure the new (unfinished and untested) software is.
You can not possibly know how how it will scale.
You can not possibly know what maintenance/community support will be

Also:

[...]
But this is all beside the point. The software is just a byproduct -- flotsam and jetsam -- neither here nor there. You know this as well as I do.

*but kudos for knowing who butters your bread.

The advantages are that all of the modifications that Theymos and all of the other past and present admins that were made will be in the new software. This forum has not been updated to the latest and greatest SMF because the current one works and adding all of the mods and security patches that have already been made would be such a pain in the ass. There have been many changes to the forum software such that to upgrade to a new system could be potentially dangerous. Security holes patched here would need to be re patched. Changes made here would need to be remade. Other problems could crop up with using the new software such as new security vulnerabilities. All in all, it is much more difficult and irritating to upgrade to a newer SMF. Epochtalk will not have those issues since Theymos is dictating what the software will include, so it will definitely have the modifications made here built directly in.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

When you hit the donate button by mistake it doesn't say anything about what the funds will be used for. It's basically a gift to Theymos and Sirius (presumably). They can cash out their swag any way they see fit. We might have thought to invest in something less insubstantial, but that's just us.

[RobRoyder]

[...]
I think he is saying ... Since it is a PRIVATE BETA, he is not allowed to disclose any information about said PRIVATE BETA so he cannot post a screenshot. He is NOT running the software on his own box.

Are you a part of this private beta? Or just guessing with your caplock on?

The advantages are that all of the modifications that Theymos and all of the other past and present admins that were made will be in the new software. This forum has not been updated to the latest and greatest SMF because the current one works and adding all of the mods and security patches that have already been made would be such a pain in the ass. There have been many changes to the forum software such that to upgrade to a new system could be potentially dangerous.

Two and a half million dollars' worth of a pain in the ass?! This is just frickin' forum software, not rocket surgery.

So what you're telling me is it's easier to do everything from scratch? Easier than starting with hardened, updated & feature-enhanced version of current software, you say?
 
And though this forum has the functionality and looks of an off-the-shelf '09 SMF, theymos completely recoded the back end in hand-optimized assembler, counting clock cycles as he went along, and this '09 SMF is a sleeper with chained death under the hood, correct?

Look, I wanna believe you, but I don't. Because you'd be lying. Find it pretty insulting that you expect me to buy this "Theymos did important, complicated and dangerous stuffs you won't understand because scientific and dangerous, so don't ask!" shit.

There have been many changes to the forum software such that to upgrade to a new system could be potentially dangerous.

Honest? More dangerous than running brand new software coded by dude calling himsel wangbus, who, btw, theymos never even met?
Intrigued, do tell me more.

Security holes patched here would need to be re patched.

When new software versions are released nowadays, some of the security holes from the previous versions often get (by oversight and due to shabby workmanship) omitted. Making them difficult, if not outright impossible, to 're-patch.'
Follow this links to SMF to learn the new shit that happened in the software world since '09.

Changes made here would need to be remade. Other problems could crop up with using the new software such as new security vulnerabilities.

I agree, changing from '09 version to a new major version, one which underwent an extra 7 years of development, might introduce some security vulnerabilities.

Good thing there's no chance of that happening with new software coded by (at best) an unknown company with no experience in coding forum software & beta tested by a handful of toadying yes-men

[achow101]

Are you a part of this private beta? Or just guessing with your caplock on?

Neither. Scroll up and actually read what Lauda posted. You will see that he is saying that the private beta is hosted.

half million dollars' worth of a pain in the ass?! This is just frickin' forum software, not rocket surgery.

So what you're telling me is it's easier to do everything from scratch? Easier than starting with hardened, updated & feature-enhanced version of current software, you say?
 
And though this forum has the functionality and looks of an off-the-shelf '09 SMF, theymos completely recoded the back end in hand-optimized assembler, counting clock cycles as he went along, and this '09 SMF is a sleeper with chained death under the hood, correct?

Look, I wanna believe you, but I don't. Because you'd be lying. Find it pretty insulting that you expect me to buy this "Theymos did important, complicated and dangerous stuffs you won't understand because scientific and dangerous, so don't ask!" shit.

There have been many changes to the forum software such that to upgrade to a new system could be potentially dangerous.

Honest? More dangerous than running brand new software coded by dude calling himsel wngbus, who theymos never met?
Intrigued, do tell me more.

Security holes patched here would need to be re patched.

When new software versions are released nowadays, some of the security holes from the previous versions often get (by oversight and due to shabby workmanship) omitted. Follow this links to SMF to learn the new shit that happened in the software world since '09.

No, that is not what I said. Maybe I wasn't clear enough the first time. Let me try again.

Theymos has made many modifications to the forum software, primarily to patch security issues. I don't know the extent of the changes, but you can search around for them in this forum as they have been mentioned in many posts by Theymos in the past. These changes may not be compatible with the latest software. Introducing these mods to the updated software could introduce new security holes yet those changes may be desired for this forum. To add those changes and then hunt down any potential security bugs is probably not worth the effort.

Changes made here would need to be remade. Other problems could crop up with using the new software such as new security vulnerabilities.

I agree, changing from '09 version to a new major version, one which underwent an extra 7 years of development, might introduce some security vulnerabilities.

Good thing there's no chance of that happening with new software coded by (at best) an unknown company with no experience in coding forum software & beta tested by a handful of toadying yes-men

What makes you say that they have no experience? Do they need experience to create a website? Does this mean that if some web developer who has experience with PHP should not build a forum because he has no experience with forum software even though he is more than capable? This logic makes no sense.

[Quickseller]

The forum money I held has largely been spent now,

--snip--

but the end result is that most of the BTC was spent.

Does this mean that you will be soliciting donations again? Maybe with lower thresholds to become a donator/VIP and/or introducing a lower ranked special rank?

[OgNasty]

Does this mean that you will be soliciting donations again? Maybe with lower thresholds to become a donator/VIP and/or introducing a lower ranked special rank?

The vast majority of total forum revenue was from ads, not donations

I don't think the forum is hurting for revenue.

[Quickseller]

Does this mean that you will be soliciting donations again? Maybe with lower thresholds to become a donator/VIP and/or introducing a lower ranked special rank?

The vast majority of total forum revenue was from ads, not donations

I don't think the forum is hurting for revenue.

Well if the forum is spending more then it is bringing in then it might be in need of additional money to complete the new software.

It is too bad if theymos will not lower the donation requirements. I am not sure I would fork over 10BTC to get a donator tag, I probably would give half that though.