Donald Trump urges ban on Muslims coming to US

[hedgy73]

Mixed views here in the UK some for some against I'm on the fence.

[panju1]

Mixed views here in the UK some for some against I'm on the fence.

Your views on refugees or immigration?
Trump's views are extreme - He even wants Muslim tourists stopped from coming to the US. 

[hedgy73]

Mixed views here in the UK some for some against I'm on the fence.

Your views on refugees or immigration?
Trump's views are extreme - He even wants Muslim tourists stopped from coming to the US. 

I'm sorry I'm tired and dont have the time to write a detailed post.

[bryant.coleman]

Your views on refugees or immigration?
Trump's views are extreme - He even wants Muslim tourists stopped from coming to the US. 

This is just election rhetoric. I don't think that he will put this in to practice, if he ever become the POTUS. He is not going to lose any votes as a result of this. Almost all the American Muslims vote democrat, and they are very loyal to Hillary (especially after it was revealed that her lesbian partner is a Muslim of Pakistani origin).

[vero]

Mixed views here in the UK some for some against I'm on the fence.

Your views on refugees or immigration?
Trump's views are extreme - He even wants Muslim tourists stopped from coming to the US. 

The best way to fix this problem is not now but in the future. We need to keep our nose out of the Middle East and quit breeding war torn countries where all the people know is misery and hate.

[Spendulus]

Mixed views here in the UK some for some against I'm on the fence.

Your views on refugees or immigration?
Trump's views are extreme - He even wants Muslim tourists stopped from coming to the US. 

The best way to fix this problem is not now but in the future. We need to keep our nose out of the Middle East and quit breeding war torn countries where all the people know is misery and hate.

This starts economically, and in particular it means getting independanet of foreign oil.  Thanks to the US Fracking industry to get that accomplished, after the Democratic party in the pockets of the Saudis over four decades destroyed the ability of the US to be energy independant through nuclear power.

[bryant.coleman]

This starts economically, and in particular it means getting independanet of foreign oil.  Thanks to the US Fracking industry to get that accomplished, after the Democratic party in the pockets of the Saudis over four decades destroyed the ability of the US to be energy independent through nuclear power.

Fracking is a very expensive process, and with the crude oil prices dipping below the $40 per barrel mark, not many of the American oil producers will be able to survive. In the past 6 months or so, the American crude output has declined by almost 5%. Nuclear energy is a good alternative, but trucks and cars can't run on electricity. They need gasoline. 

[Spendulus]

This starts economically, and in particular it means getting independanet of foreign oil.  Thanks to the US Fracking industry to get that accomplished, after the Democratic party in the pockets of the Saudis over four decades destroyed the ability of the US to be energy independent through nuclear power.

Fracking is a very expensive process, and with the crude oil prices dipping below the $40 per barrel mark, not many of the American oil producers will be able to survive. In the past 6 months or so, the American crude output has declined by almost 5%. Nuclear energy is a good alternative, but trucks and cars can't run on electricity. They need gasoline. 

Wrong.  The oil fields around here and many other places in the USA are complete, so the only job is to pull the oil out.  What will happen is the ground leases will be renegotiated, and production will continue.  Exploration and drilling of new wells needs higher prices, yes.

The oil business has ALWAYS been cyclical.  Everyone here knows that.

[bryant.coleman]

Wrong.  The oil fields around here and many other places in the USA are complete, so the only job is to pull the oil out.  What will happen is the ground leases will be renegotiated, and production will continue.  Exploration and drilling of new wells needs higher prices, yes.

Oil wells being drilled after fracking doesn't last long. New wells needs to be drilled very frequently. And the crude oil extraction is a very labor intensive process. This plays to the disadvantage of the American crude oil producers, as the labor costs there are more than 10 times that in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait or Qatar.

[-Greed-]

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-09/bloomberg-politics-poll-trump-muslim-ban-proposal

According to the poll 65% of republican voters support the muslims ban.

[bryant.coleman]

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-09/bloomberg-politics-poll-trump-muslim-ban-proposal

According to the poll 65% of republican voters support the muslims ban.

The most important thing is that 37% of all the voters support his proposal, including even 18% of the Democrat voters.



The mainstream media has lost its ability to brainwash the voting public, to a certain degree.

[Gronthaing]

I don't think Trump will still be relevant in April 2016. Republicans are not that dumb try to put him in the White House. Let him enjoy his time right now. He won't run for president next year.

Don't know about that. Many are tired of the same politicians in power. And now want something new. Maybe fascists like trump. Or maybe socialists or something else. But trump may look different to the other republican candidates but I don't know if he is that much. For example don't ted cruz or ben carson agree with much of what trump says? Maybe they just don't want to be left behind in the polls. But that changes the discourse more to the extreme.

Mixed views here in the UK some for some against I'm on the fence.

Your views on refugees or immigration?
Trump's views are extreme - He even wants Muslim tourists stopped from coming to the US. 

And didn't he say in an interview american muslims could be restricted from returning to the country if they went abroad too? Even members of the military.

[panju1]

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-09/bloomberg-politics-poll-trump-muslim-ban-proposal

According to the poll 65% of republican voters support the muslims ban.

The poll says that a third of the Republican primary voters are likely to vote for him, basis this statement!!!
Has this become the main election issue this time around?

[bryant.coleman]

For example don't ted cruz or ben carson agree with much of what trump says? Maybe they just don't want to be left behind in the polls. But that changes the discourse more to the extreme.

Similar to Ted Cruz and Ben Carson, Donald Trump is also an anti-establishment candidate, which puts him at odds with the candidates from the establishment wing such as Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, and Jeb Bush. Now the main difference between Trump and Carson / Cruz is that Trump is very outspoken while the other two doesn't have the courage to speak out whatever they want.

[Balthazar]

Trump shouldn't be allowed to run for a presidential office, not this time. Surely, US needs to taste a regime change and balkanization, but there are not enough muslims yet.

[Gronthaing]

Now the main difference between Trump and Carson / Cruz is that Trump is very outspoken while the other two doesn't have the courage to speak out whatever they want.

It's true that they come out with their proposals only after trump does. But I don't know if it's about courage. They are probably waiting for him to go too far. And when he does they take his place. They can say they have the same policies. But are more sophisticated and can present them without sounding too extreme like trump.

[European Central Bank]

It's the type of thing that an unthinking moron would agree with knowing that it would never be permitted to happen. I wonder how they'd feel if they actually saw him attempt to put it into effect. It would suddenly seem a lot less funny.

[zivone]

What if in response, all those Muslim countries ban all US citizens and all Christians from entering their countries? Sounds like Trump's idea could cause a world wide economic meltdown--of course for which he would blame President Obama.

My issue with Muslims is that bringing their laws with them wherever country they enter and they want that country to accept their law. 

[Graphics]

That's just fucking bullshit. Donald Trump is the single most racist person in the world.

And he's proud of it. Fuck him.

[Spendulus]

It's the type of thing that an unthinking moron would agree with knowing that it would never be permitted to happen. I wonder how they'd feel if they actually saw him attempt to put it into effect. It would suddenly seem a lot less funny.

You mean except for all the times it has been permitted to happen in the past?

Like when Jimmie Carter banned Iranians?