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[betcointm]

Pretty strong quote by stuuna here. Hes pretty trusted in the community and this may be the nail in the coffin for betcoin.tm

Yeah some opinions from NLNico(DT 2 member, busted many cloudmining dice and blackfriday scam etc)

Betcoin.tm has a long history (~3 years) of scam accusations (just google: "betcoin.tm" site:bitcointalk.org).

@OP: I would love to see a "main thread" of you guys, so these issues could be discussed (since obviously some are old accusations and most might be about the bonus / incorrect.)


The "about" page has some cool things too:
- "BetCoin™ is the world’s most advanced online gaming network" (I would argue that something like PokerStars, who caters half a million people at the same time in a game of poker, is more advanced, but sure..)
- "BetCoin™ games have the lowest house edge and the highest return to player ratio (RTP) available worldwide" (on dice they claim to have 1.88% HE, but even seems 2.1%? either way not lowest.)
- "BetCoin™ customers don’t need to worry about their funds’ safety, as they enjoy state-of-the-art, hacker-proof security" (nothing is "hacker-proof" )
- "BetCoin™ offers the widest range of bet sizes, from less than 1 tenth of a penny, to over 1 million USD per bet." (I find it unlikely that they can afford a max profit of 2800 BTC per bet?)
- etc.


Overall, I am always willing to "hear both sides" though. So if we could have a main thread so we can discuss these things further, it would be great. Maybe you can convince me that your site is not a scam.

For doog's opinion, see the post above Nico's

If you're looking for proof the site isn't a scam - look at the fact that we have third party providers. Within a couple of months we are going to integrate with even more.

[rambeazle]

If you're looking for proof the site isn't a scam - look at the fact that we have third party providers. Within a couple of months we are going to integrate with even more.

This proves nothing. There are multiple scam accusation threads against  you, stunna basically said you are SCAMMERS. And you dont have instant withdrawals. Pretty sketchy, would not trust you with my money.

[CarlesPuyol]

If you're looking for proof the site isn't a scam - look at the fact that we have third party providers. Within a couple of months we are going to integrate with even more.

This proves nothing. There are multiple scam accusation threads against  you, stunna basically said you are SCAMMERS. And you dont have instant withdrawals. Pretty sketchy, would not trust you with my money.

What is the reason that stunna said this casino is a scam?

[mexxer-2]

What is the reason that stunna said this casino is a scam?

If you stop being lazy and spamming your sig, and read a three paged thread. Who knows you might find "The answer".
Seriously though....

[elizabethqueen]

I once played here and I was a constrained by withdraw on your site, and it lasted until 2 days ... but I do feedback and now I have received ..

I hope in the future of your site better
Thank  

congrats dude, nice to see you get your payment, i hope this site is legit, but 2 days is long, but how many bitcoins did u withdraw from this site? if this site has turned out to be legit in the end, i will remove the neg rate from op, i hope no scam in the world especially bitcoin community

and yes 2 days is far too long, it must be instant withdrawal as many sites did.
i just have requested 0.6 btc withdraw and it's say error, let's see how long it will takes and administrator to respond.

I replied to you in DM and I think a support agent emailed you as well concerning the issue.

i received your pm, but it's too slow to respond. received the email too but it's a noreply email
how i can make a conversation with noreply email? please respond this.

[nickaizoku]

Since i cant get no deposit bonus with my previous account. Ive created another account for playing there.
But seems like the rollover are very high 100x its nearly impossible to get that.

[erwin45hacked]

If you're looking for proof the site isn't a scam - look at the fact that we have third party providers. Within a couple of months we are going to integrate with even more.

No one is saying you are going to rig the rolls but more likely that you are misleading your player. All your bonuses require a crazy amount of rollover which in the end is almost like stealing money from your player softly. Not to mention some other crazy rules that doog pointed out regarding the bonuses

[Ceizer54]

When are you going to pay for the sig. competition ? The deadline was 2 days ago and the winners have been announced, but the thread got locked and nothing happened since.

ty for answer

Other than that I am happy with the site, i tried one of their promos earlier on bitcointalk and got payed after I wagered the bonus

The winners have been paid and all entrants are being processed now

When will you pay the enterants?
I Messaged you twice and you didn't replied even once.

[elizabethqueen]

betcoin.tm Highest BTC Payouts in the World!
You Win - We Pay! No Delays, And No Questions Asked!

my withdrawal delayed to 5 days. nice


update: i reached the rollover for $25 no deposit bonus, when i tried to withdraw. they locked the account with so many reasons like accusing me have multiple accounts etc without any proof.



never play at betcoin.tm it wasting time and fooling you, stunna was right they are shady. untrustworthy.
that's my experience. please share your experience.

[Shogen]

What is the reason that stunna said this casino is a scam?

If you stop being lazy and spamming your sig, and read a three paged thread. Who knows you might find "The answer".
Seriously though....

Indeed, he doesn't even need to read 3 pages of posts but just to click the Trust: below OP's avatar to see Stunna's feedback.

[rambeazle]

betcoin.tm Highest BTC Payouts in the World!
You Win - We Pay! No Delays, And No Questions Asked!

my withdrawal delayed to 5 days. nice


update: i reached the rollover for $25 no deposit bonus, when i tried to withdraw. they locked the account with so many reasons like accusing me have multiple accounts etc without any proof.



never play at betcoin.tm it wasting time and fooling you, stunna was right they are shady. untrustworthy.
that's my experience. please share your experience.

Classic case, ive heard about many like this one. Its a pity, really. The site seems to be pretty well done.

[elizabethqueen]

betcoin.tm Highest BTC Payouts in the World!
You Win - We Pay! No Delays, And No Questions Asked!

my withdrawal delayed to 5 days. nice


update: i reached the rollover for $25 no deposit bonus, when i tried to withdraw. they locked the account with so many reasons like accusing me have multiple accounts etc without any proof.



never play at betcoin.tm it wasting time and fooling you, stunna was right they are shady. untrustworthy.
that's my experience. please share your experience.

Classic case, ive heard about many like this one. Its a pity, really. The site seems to be pretty well done.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301581.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=858720.0

they are on the way to a glorious deceit.

[paka]

betcoin.tm Highest BTC Payouts in the World!
You Win - We Pay! No Delays, And No Questions Asked!

my withdrawal delayed to 5 days. nice


update: i reached the rollover for $25 no deposit bonus, when i tried to withdraw. they locked the account with so many reasons like accusing me have multiple accounts etc without any proof.



never play at betcoin.tm it wasting time and fooling you, stunna was right they are shady. untrustworthy.
that's my experience. please share your experience.

Classic case, ive heard about many like this one. Its a pity, really. The site seems to be pretty well done.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301581.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=858720.0

they are on the way to a glorious deceit.

Hahaha, you actually beaten their roll over requirements? daym, what such odds of overcoming it but sorry that you wasted your time to actually play in their shady site..

I don't know why until now there are not getting any negative feedback for being the most shady gambling site ever.

[DarkDays]

betcoin.tm Highest BTC Payouts in the World!
You Win - We Pay! No Delays, And No Questions Asked!

my withdrawal delayed to 5 days. nice


update: i reached the rollover for $25 no deposit bonus, when i tried to withdraw. they locked the account with so many reasons like accusing me have multiple accounts etc without any proof.



never play at betcoin.tm it wasting time and fooling you, stunna was right they are shady. untrustworthy.
that's my experience. please share your experience.

Don't forget that according to their rules, if you clear the no deposit bonus they take everything except the balance out of your account anyway.

[cjmoles]

Well, I don't know how these guys are getting away with being impostures.  The real Betcoin would never deny your withdrawals....The real Betcoin is pretty straight up regardless of what some of the anti-shills argue in their thread....I've been playing on the WPN for around 10 years now so I know a few things or two!

[TwitchySeal]

Well, I don't know how these guys are getting away with being impostures.  The real Betcoin would never deny your withdrawals....The real Betcoin is pretty straight up regardless of what some of the anti-shills argue in their thread....I've been playing on the WPN for around 10 years now so I know a few things or two!

Betcoin.ag is scum, they banned me for for no reason other than refusing to ignore the scummy things they do.

Betcoin.tm I don't know much about but theyve been around a while, and are not "imposters"

Nobody owns "Betcoin" just like "Bitcoin"

Betcoin.ag may be good about fast withdraws, but that doesnt make them not scummy overall.

Shilling aint cool

[cjmoles]

Well, I don't know how these guys are getting away with being impostures.  The real Betcoin would never deny your withdrawals....The real Betcoin is pretty straight up regardless of what some of the anti-shills argue in their thread....I've been playing on the WPN for around 10 years now so I know a few things or two!

Betcoin.ag is scum, they banned me for for no reason other than refusing to ignore the scummy things they do.

Betcoin.tm I don't know much about but theyve been around a while, and are not "imposters"

Nobody owns "Betcoin" just like "Bitcoin"

Betcoin.ag may be good about fast withdraws, but that doesnt make them not scummy overall.

Shilling aint cool

I agree....shilling ain't cool.  I mean, if one can't win straight up, then they shouldn't be in the game.  I understand all the concerns with Betcoin.ag but I really believe in their service....much of the complaints are front-end stuff....they could be better in that regard, I will concede that point.  I believe that the Winning Poker Network would give Betcoin.ag the boot if they did any underhanded things....Wouldn't you think?  I'm watching closely though....just being silent in the thread for the moment.

[TwitchySeal]

Well, I don't know how these guys are getting away with being impostures.  The real Betcoin would never deny your withdrawals....The real Betcoin is pretty straight up regardless of what some of the anti-shills argue in their thread....I've been playing on the WPN for around 10 years now so I know a few things or two!

Betcoin.ag is scum, they banned me for for no reason other than refusing to ignore the scummy things they do.

Betcoin.tm I don't know much about but theyve been around a while, and are not "imposters"

Nobody owns "Betcoin" just like "Bitcoin"

Betcoin.ag may be good about fast withdraws, but that doesnt make them not scummy overall.

Shilling aint cool

I agree....shilling ain't cool.  I mean, if one can't win straight up, then they shouldn't be in the game.  I understand all the concerns with Betcoin.ag but I really believe in their service....much of the complaints are front-end stuff....they could be better in that regard, I will concede that point.  I believe that the Winning Poker Network would give Betcoin.ag the boot if they did any underhanded things....Wouldn't you think?  I'm watching closely though....just being silent in the thread for the moment.

Shilling has nothing to do with winning in a poker game.

I will make one simple point:

For the last 4+ weeks Betcoin has been charging 2-5x times their advertised rake.

They were made aware of this 4 weeks ago at least.

As of today, they claim it's fixed and happened because of a mistake.

They should refund all overcharged rake to each player.

Agree or disagree?

They will.

Agree or disagree?

[cjmoles]

Well, I don't know how these guys are getting away with being impostures.  The real Betcoin would never deny your withdrawals....The real Betcoin is pretty straight up regardless of what some of the anti-shills argue in their thread....I've been playing on the WPN for around 10 years now so I know a few things or two!

Betcoin.ag is scum, they banned me for for no reason other than refusing to ignore the scummy things they do.

Betcoin.tm I don't know much about but theyve been around a while, and are not "imposters"

Nobody owns "Betcoin" just like "Bitcoin"

Betcoin.ag may be good about fast withdraws, but that doesnt make them not scummy overall.

Shilling aint cool

I agree....shilling ain't cool.  I mean, if one can't win straight up, then they shouldn't be in the game.  I understand all the concerns with Betcoin.ag but I really believe in their service....much of the complaints are front-end stuff....they could be better in that regard, I will concede that point.  I believe that the Winning Poker Network would give Betcoin.ag the boot if they did any underhanded things....Wouldn't you think?  I'm watching closely though....just being silent in the thread for the moment.

Shilling has nothing to do with winning in a poker game.

I will make one simple point:

For the last 4+ weeks Betcoin has been charging 2-5x times their advertised rake.

They were made aware of this 4 weeks ago at least.

As of today, they claim it's fixed and happened because of a mistake.

They should refund all overcharged rake to each player.

Agree or disagree?

They will.

Agree or disagree?

I agree that if they were raking more than advertised, then they should give out some form of refund.  That is VERY serious and I am genuinely concerned with that revelation....I've got Phil's Skype (WPN's President) so....if its more than just a front end bug, I'm sure it will be resolved...Phi has always been straight up....there's a lot of history there, well before bitcoin's genesis!

[TwitchySeal]

Well, I don't know how these guys are getting away with being impostures.  The real Betcoin would never deny your withdrawals....The real Betcoin is pretty straight up regardless of what some of the anti-shills argue in their thread....I've been playing on the WPN for around 10 years now so I know a few things or two!

Betcoin.ag is scum, they banned me for for no reason other than refusing to ignore the scummy things they do.

Betcoin.tm I don't know much about but theyve been around a while, and are not "imposters"

Nobody owns "Betcoin" just like "Bitcoin"

Betcoin.ag may be good about fast withdraws, but that doesnt make them not scummy overall.

Shilling aint cool

I agree....shilling ain't cool.  I mean, if one can't win straight up, then they shouldn't be in the game.  I understand all the concerns with Betcoin.ag but I really believe in their service....much of the complaints are front-end stuff....they could be better in that regard, I will concede that point.  I believe that the Winning Poker Network would give Betcoin.ag the boot if they did any underhanded things....Wouldn't you think?  I'm watching closely though....just being silent in the thread for the moment.

Shilling has nothing to do with winning in a poker game.

I will make one simple point:

For the last 4+ weeks Betcoin has been charging 2-5x times their advertised rake.

They were made aware of this 4 weeks ago at least.

As of today, they claim it's fixed and happened because of a mistake.

They should refund all overcharged rake to each player.

Agree or disagree?

They will.

Agree or disagree?

I agree that if they were raking more than advertised, then they should give out some form of refund.  That is VERY serious and I am genuinely concerned with that revelation....I've got Phil's Skype (WPN's President) so....if its more than just a front end bug, I'm sure it will be resolved...Phi has always been straight up....there's a lot of history there, well before bitcoin's genesis!

Phil can't tell betcoin how to treat their players, WPN just provides them (some) of their tournaments. 

Well they could cut Betcoin off if they wanted.  I think thats the direction this is going - this isn't the first time Betcoin.ag "unintentionally" ended up with 10+ bitcoin that were unintentionally taken from players.  Returning the bitcoins directly to the players would be a first.

I wont highjack this thread anymore and apologize.  cjmoles knows all this already, i only spoke up so others in this thread would see both sides.  Undisputed proof of bolded part in Betcoin.ag thread.