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[nickaizoku]

I chat with live support about my poker room. They said that maybe because of my country i.p address.
Got any solution for my country? Malaysia.
Hopefully im able to go in poker room soon.. wanna participate for poker tournament

maybe you can reset your internet connection like mine, i also can't go into poker room with that notice vpn and multiple acc something. and i can now when i reset my internet connection.

I always online using mobile lol. I guess i cant reset my mobile connection.
Hopefully betcointm will whitelist me and continue to play at poker room.

[Punggawa]

I already sent an email and my username to support, but not respont. Still can't open the poker games. I never using VPN, but i have notif about it.

Sorry, access to our multiplayer poker room is restricted for VPN users or users who have multiple accounts. Please disable your VPN to access the poker room and contact our support if you have multiple accounts, so we can provide access to poker for you.

[panjul07]

I already sent an email and my username to support, but not respont. Still can't open the poker games. I never using VPN, but i have notif about it.

Sorry, access to our multiplayer poker room is restricted for VPN users or users who have multiple accounts. Please disable your VPN to access the poker room and contact our support if you have multiple accounts, so we can provide access to poker for you.

The bold part tells us that they can provide access but in fact they did not do it yet. It is OK if they locked us because we have multi accounts to play on the freeroll, but I only use 1 account to play on the freeroll since the first time.

[MadeinCoin]

I also sent an email and my username to support
and no one respont. Still can't open the poker games.
I never using VPN when i'm login to the game , and that account i alway play with deposit and cashout for a many time.

Now the service is offline, you can send messages in a chat they will reciprocate when back online
I do not use multiple accounts, but still not able to access poker, maybe they are preparing a new feature to detect multiple accounts

[sbrzol]

your site bugs very hard

empty page on sports

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ie11  ...

[Temo58]

0.057 bonus with 888111222x wager 

[betcointm]

your site bugs very hard

empty page on sports

https://sports-itainment.biahosted.com/Init.aspx?url=https://www.betcoin.tm/sports/prelive/

ie11  ...

Use Chrome of Firefox.

[betcointm]

and it doesn't hurt that the added value comes from the opportunity to win very, very big.

But that's worthless because if someone wins "very, very big" you just said that they won't be able to withdraw that money EVER. 

What? I said that there have been people that have withdrawn the 888x bonus, and that is twice as hard to unlock. You (probably) won't 'EVER' win the lottery either, but we're giving you the chance to give our system a shot with zero risk and you still might walk out with a sizeable amount of money in your pocket.

[DarkDays]

and it doesn't hurt that the added value comes from the opportunity to win very, very big.

But that's worthless because if someone wins "very, very big" you just said that they won't be able to withdraw that money EVER. 

What? I said that there have been people that have withdrawn the 888x bonus, and that is twice as hard to unlock. You (probably) won't 'EVER' win the lottery either, but we're giving you the chance to give our system a shot with zero risk and you still might walk out with a sizeable amount of money in your pocket.

No, what you said (both on your site and on here) is that you are only allowed to cash out your deposit + your bonus if you clear rollover.  That means if I deposit 1BTC and get a 3BTC bonus, the max I can withdraw is 4BTC.  So if I hit a "very, very big" jackpot, say 100BTC, I can never withdraw it.  Thus then worthless.

[betcointm]

and it doesn't hurt that the added value comes from the opportunity to win very, very big.

But that's worthless because if someone wins "very, very big" you just said that they won't be able to withdraw that money EVER. 

What? I said that there have been people that have withdrawn the 888x bonus, and that is twice as hard to unlock. You (probably) won't 'EVER' win the lottery either, but we're giving you the chance to give our system a shot with zero risk and you still might walk out with a sizeable amount of money in your pocket.

No, what you said (both on your site and on here) is that you are only allowed to cash out your deposit + your bonus if you clear rollover.  That means if I deposit 1BTC and get a 3BTC bonus, the max I can withdraw is 4BTC.  So if I hit a "very, very big" jackpot, say 100BTC, I can never withdraw it.  Thus then worthless.

301% return of your deposit on a no-risk deposit bonus is a pretty big jackpot.

If you hit a very big jackpot with bonus funds, you're not playing the game with your own money - the game you are playing is basically the bonus, and you're using the games on the site to unlock it. The bonus is sort of a game on its own that carries zero-to-no risk.

While I see and respect your viewpoint, I don't agree with it.

[Trayber]

Maybe I'm making my posts too long.

Suppose I deposit 1 BTC. I get 3.01 extra, for a total of 4.01 BTC. I then wager enough to clear the bonus, and end up with 100 BTC in my balance. How much of my balance will you let me keep, and how much will you confiscate? Can I withdraw 3.01, because that's the bonus amount, or 4.01? What if I deposit a further 10 BTC before I have finished clearing the bonus. Then how much can I withdraw once it is clear?

The amount available for withdraw after you unlock the bonus is the original bonus amount. We will not ever make your deposit unavailable to withdraw, so in your case the amount to withdraw would be 4.01 BTC.

When you deposit your own money into the bonus and bet you're not wagering the original amount toward the bonus and therefore the bonus is cancelled. Even if the bonus wasn't cancelled the 10 BTC would still be able to be withdrawn because it's your deposit, not bonus funds.

It isn't supposed to be an appealing amount to someone looking for a reliable way to make money, as these are games of chance. We give you a fair shot to unlock the bonus, and however unlikely as it may be (no-deposit bonus as I said is about 1/1000, and match bonus is somewhere in the ballpark of 1/750 - these aren't your odds these are the users that successfully unlock it) you can do it. It's very similar to a lottery ticket. A huge +EV for players at a low to minimal cost, but pretty unlikely. The purpose of these bonuses is to show that our system works and make you comfortable with the system and its functionalities, and it doesn't hurt that the added value comes from the opportunity to win very, very big.

The games are provably fair, the reward is high (but unlikely), and the risk in these types of bonuses (especially the no-deposit bonus) are minimal to none.

That being said, we are working on making our deposit bonus a bit different to give good EV to depositors over time. That's in the pipeline but nowhere near being ready to give any concrete numbers or even speculate as to how it would work.

Thanks for the explanation and seems like its not a bonus for everyone. Myself I would never want to deposit that much and be tied to so such high wagering. IMO, those type of bonuses are for suckers.

Anyways, now that you talk about the provability and fairness of games but can you fix the blackjack. You have only blackjack game on planet where the dealer hits a hard 17 just because he drew an Ace at some point. This might help players somtimes but at other times going to burn player when he has made 18-21 and dealer hits bs hard 17 to beat him and player get upset because thats NOT how the rules work in blackjack game. Your sites been up for a long time I find it tough believe that no one has brought this to your attention sooner and why it hasn't already been fixed. Now that I think about it can you link me to your Rules page for Blackjack, I had a hard time finding out the rules on your game. If you have it set to for dealer to hit hard 17 then so be it but I would like to to read the rules.

Please address this and when you plan to fix the blackjack. Also I'd like a link or where I can find out the rules of your blackjack (i.e. how many decks/doubles and split rules etc.)

[DarkDays]

301% return of your deposit on a no-risk deposit bonus is a pretty big jackpot.

If you hit a very big jackpot with bonus funds, you're not playing the game with your own money - the game you are playing is basically the bonus, and you're using the games on the site to unlock it. The bonus is sort of a game on its own that carries zero-to-no risk.

While I see and respect your viewpoint, I don't agree with it.

The "risk" is that you can't get the funds that you win.  

[betcointm]

301% return of your deposit on a no-risk deposit bonus is a pretty big jackpot.

If you hit a very big jackpot with bonus funds, you're not playing the game with your own money - the game you are playing is basically the bonus, and you're using the games on the site to unlock it. The bonus is sort of a game on its own that carries zero-to-no risk.

While I see and respect your viewpoint, I don't agree with it.

The "risk" is that you can't get the funds that you win.  

Winning, in this case, means unlocking the bonus. You get the original bonus amount for unlocking it.

The crux of this for me is that the wagering requirements, in general, of other establishments have to do with actual deposited funds, and with us the bonus amount is included. So the game may seem harder or less likely, but the outcome is better in our case. You don't have to continually deposit funds to unlock your bonus, which creates -EV. Our bonus, however unlikely, has a high +EV for depositors (and non-depositors).

[betcointm]

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[mirana12345]

Why are so many people only interested in bonuses and promos, instead of looking the site as any other gambling site, just play and have fun ?
imho the most important thing should be allowing instant cashouts, like many other competitor sites have done. Everything else seams spot on.

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[betcointm]

Why are so many people only interested in bonuses and promos, instead of looking the site as any other gambling site, just play and have fun ?
imho the most important thing should be allowing instant cashouts, like many other competitor sites have done. Everything else seams spot on.

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Once your account has been aged, you'll get access to instant withdrawals. With the volume of accounts that have been created recently, most users won't have access to this feature yet - however, over time you will. We feel that this not only protects us, but it protects you as well.

Our system "gets to know you", and if anything happens out of the ordinary on your account we can catch it early or reach out to you directly. Yes, we have 2FA and signed messages, but you can never be too careful. While we see that this issue makes a lot of people a bit uneasy (sometimes cashouts can take a while), we believe that in the longrun it is safer for our players. So, for now, we're going to keep this feature.

It's understandable that you don't share our position, we hope that you understand that we believe it is in your best interest.

[DarkDays]

Our bonus, however unlikely, has a high +EV for depositors (and non-depositors).

That's not true.

Let's use the above example.  I deposit 1BTC.  I get 3.01BTC as a bonus.  I now have 4.01BTC to gamble with.  Let's, for the moment, completely ignore that I can only ever cash out a max of 4.01BTC, which completely negates any positive variance I may experience (that is to say, if I get lucky I won't get the money...if I get unlucky I'll still lose money).  For me to be able to withdraw I'll need to gamble the 4.01BTC 388x.  So I need to wager 1555.88BTC. 

In order for this offer to be +ev, I'd need to have 1.01BTC in my account after I finish the rollover.  For that to be true, your games would have to only have a .2% hold.

Do your games have 99.8% or higher payback?  Because if not, this deal is NOT +ev for depositors.

[betcointm]

Our bonus, however unlikely, has a high +EV for depositors (and non-depositors).

That's not true.

Let's use the above example.  I deposit 1BTC.  I get 3.01BTC as a bonus.  I now have 4.01BTC to gamble with.  Let's, for the moment, completely ignore that I can only ever cash out a max of 4.01BTC, which completely negates any positive variance I may experience (that is to say, if I get lucky I won't get the money...if I get unlucky I'll still lose money).  For me to be able to withdraw I'll need to gamble the 4.01BTC 388x.  So I need to wager 1555.88BTC.  

In order for this offer to be +ev, I'd need to have 1.01BTC in my account after I finish the rollover.  For that to be true, your games would have to only have a .2% hold.

Do your games have 99.8% or higher payback?  Because if not, this deal is NOT +ev for depositors.

The expected value of unlocking the bonus is the 3.01 BTC. If you were to cash out 4.01 BTC after starting with 1... I am not exactly sure how that is not a positive value.

When you unlock the rollover requirements, the 3 BTC is what you unlock - not your 1 BTC deposit.

[nickaizoku]

So betcointm? How about us? That didn't cant access to poker room?
Can you whitelist me? I wanna join massive tournament in few days..

[DarkDays]

Our bonus, however unlikely, has a high +EV for depositors (and non-depositors).

That's not true.

Let's use the above example.  I deposit 1BTC.  I get 3.01BTC as a bonus.  I now have 4.01BTC to gamble with.  Let's, for the moment, completely ignore that I can only ever cash out a max of 4.01BTC, which completely negates any positive variance I may experience (that is to say, if I get lucky I won't get the money...if I get unlucky I'll still lose money).  For me to be able to withdraw I'll need to gamble the 4.01BTC 388x.  So I need to wager 1555.88BTC.  

In order for this offer to be +ev, I'd need to have 1.01BTC in my account after I finish the rollover.  For that to be true, your games would have to only have a .2% hold.

Do your games have 99.8% or higher payback?  Because if not, this deal is NOT +ev for depositors.

The expected value of unlocking the bonus is the 3.01 BTC. If you were to cash out 4.01 BTC after starting with 1... I am not exactly sure how that is not a positive value.

When you unlock the rollover requirements, the 3 BTC is what you unlock - not your 1 BTC deposit.

I spelled out exactly why it isn't a positive value.  Math.