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[btc-raffle.com]

The "lucky" number is picked before the game starts.
There is no way to change the lucky number.

The lucky number is not picked (or at least the hash isn't displayed) until the first player purchases a ticket, but generally we are in agreement until here.

It is impossible for someone to get the lucky number even if they know what it is.

This is false. If the house knows the number is 10.000, for example, what stops it from waiting until new players are unlikely to join and then purchasing the winning ticket itself? The players would never know they've been cheated. This is the weakness I'm addressing in my previous post.

Proof your a bustabit admin look at your other posts.

You guys need to just stop. I'm a competitor i get that but no need to be this ruthless.  

Again: I do not own bustabit, nor am I an administrator or a moderator for bustabit. My one post in bustabit's thread doesn't make me a bustabit admin any more than my four posts in this thread make me an administrator of your game.

I also don't believe that pointing out technical issues qualifies as "ruthless" in any way.

Ok try this pretend you know the winning number. Say its 6000 can you show me how to get that number please?
Because its random when you buy a ticket.

Again: Your only other post is you talking about bustabit, does that make you a admin no, but it sure does make a red flag stand up saying you are. 

This is getting pretty said you guys are still trying to bash us.

[jlfvr]

Ok try this pretend you know the winning number. Say its 6000 can you show me how to get that number please?
Because its random when you buy a ticket.

If the ticket numbers were assigned to players randomly it would be easier—even trivial—for the house to cheat, not harder, because the house could simply "randomly" assign the winning ticket to a player it controls. There would be no way for players to verify that the tickets were indeed randomly allocated in your current system.

Instead, however, tickets appear to be split among players sequentially in the order in which they entered the game, as can be seen here.

This means it is not trivial for the house to cheat, but not terribly difficult either. Depending on the approximate number of players the house expects to join the round it will add its "puppets" at different points.

Let's assume that by counting how many players are currently online, how many participated in the last round and how many are able to participate in the next round, the house predicts that between three and seven players will join the round. Making accurate predictions within these bounds is fairly easy with the information the house has at its disposal.

Now the house waits for three legitimate players to join. If there are unexpectedly less players, the house simply passes and allows the round to end. If, on the other hand, three players A, B and C enter the round, the house will immediately also "purchase" tickets with three players D, E and F; which it controls, giving player D the winning ticket. Up to four additional legitimate players E, F, G and H can now join without the house losing the winning tickets.

Based on the houses earlier prediction, more players joining is unlikely. But even if an eighth legitimate player defies all odds and joins the round, causing the legitimate player E to now own the winning ticket, the house can simply add another eight puppets, giving the winning ticket back to the house and allowing more legitimate players to join without endangering the house's winning ticket. For all practical purposes this can be repeated as often as necessary. Alternatively, the house can simply prevent new players from joining the round past a certain point, for example by simply ignoring entries and blaming it on latency or bugs.

Such a winning strategy exists for every possible winning ticket.

TL;DR: The house can take advantage of information asymmetry by adding one or more fake players and thereby cheating the legitimate players of their winnings.

[btc-raffle.com]

You are incorrect the tickets are not "sequentially in the order' You could be the first player or the last player and get ticket number 1-1000 there is 100% no way for someone to pick there numbers its all 100% random.

Why do you bustabit kids keep trying to bash the site are you really that threatened by us?

[btc-raffle.com]

You are incorrect the tickets are not "sequentially in the order' You could be the first player or the last player and get ticket number 1-1000 there is 100% no way for someone to pick there numbers its all 100% random.

Picking a random number is fair, just that it's not provably fair.

Why do you bustabit kids keep trying to bash the site are you really that threatened by us?

I'm not sure who jlfvr is, but he doesn't represent bustabit (only I do). However, he does seem to make valid and well articulated points (which if it was me, would have no problem writing under my own name).


Anyway, I have approximately zero interest in your site, if I'm being honest I haven't even bothered to try understand your provably fair. If you stop bringing up bustabit, I'll have no reason to come here and defend its name.

Oh yeah, and as of at least ~10 minutes ago, either you or one of your "5" co-owners is spamming your link. I can promise you, you're doing far more harm to your brand than good. And seriously, for the next time you want to spam a competitor you should just use tor or something for plausible deniability. It's pretty embarrassing when it can be definitively linked to you..

Ok lets review what you just said.

"just that it's not provably fair."

Next line.

"being honest I haven't even bothered to try understand your provably fair."

Is it just me or does that make 0 sense...

You also are claiming the other accounts who are being used to bash us have nothing to do with bustabit now with one look at the other accounts its clear as day they are other admins of bustabit.

[btc-raffle.com]

He has nothing to do with bustabit? really? ok lets look at his profile

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=685401;sa=showPosts

Makes an account goes to the bustabit thread then immediately after comes to my thread and attempts to bash it.

Looks like a admin to me. 

[btc-raffle.com]

He has nothing to do with bustabit? really? ok lets look at his profile

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=685401;sa=showPosts

Makes an account goes to the bustabit thread then immediately after comes to my thread and attempts to bash it.

Looks like a admin to me. 

I didn't say he has nothing to do with bustabit, but he's certainly not an admin (considering, that I'm the only one...).

Actually, he freely admits he's a bustabit player:

I am not here to "bash you", I'm here because someone—who turned out to be an owner of your site—kept and keeps spamming links to btc-raffle in bustabit's chat, so I decided to take a closer look. Was that not the intention? There's no such thing as bad publicity, right?

Ok so lets call him staff you can be the admin but clearly him and dexon work for you.

I was hoping you were going to stick to your words when you last said

"I won't be responding here further"

I have asked you and your staff to stay off my thread but you guys at this point are just acting like trolls.

[btc-raffle.com]

I have told you 100 times i am not posting on your site. How many more times do i have to say that.

One thing i know for sure is people do not spend everyday all day on a website for free. It's very clear dexon is paid to promote bustabit he even is doing a lotto as a ploy to get people to bust. Cash out at X6 and you get entered into this fake lotto. He shows 0 proof the lotto isn't rigged or even shows any proof anyone has ever won. Stop acting like he don't work for you. Call it staff/admin what ever you want fact is he is part of your site.

Basically you and your staff have attacked my site i have proof. You and your staff been trying to bash my site sense day one.

I think its time for you guys to stop its getting old.

[btc-raffle.com]

You can say Dexon is unpaid but no one believes you when all he does every day all day is promote your site.

Just the fact he gives your members money proves it.

[~BtcRoll.com~]

Stop spamming on other sites it looks terrible, and dont even try to say it isnt you because no other site has done this before.

[jlfvr]

You are incorrect the tickets are not "sequentially in the order' You could be the first player or the last player and get ticket number 1-1000 there is 100% no way for someone to pick there numbers its all 100% random.

Any visitor to your site can clearly see that tickets are not randomly assigned, as I've already shown in this screencapture. The ranges in blue beside the players' names represent the tickets that a player holds. The n-th player to join will always hold tickets (n-1) * 10000/m +1 through n * 10000/m, where m is the total number of players. There is nothing random about it.

In addition, as I have also already explained, random ticket assignment would make it even easier and not harder to cheat with your current "provably fair" system:

If the ticket numbers were assigned to players randomly it would be easier—even trivial—for the house to cheat, not harder, because the house could simply "randomly" assign the winning ticket to a player it controls. There would be no way for players to verify that the tickets were indeed randomly allocated in your current system.

Just to humour you I'll revise my explanation for that scenario:

The house generates the lucky number 6000 and an arbitrary number of legitimate players join the round. The house joins the round itself with a player they control and "randomly" assigns the winning ticket to that player, ensuring the win for the house.

[btc-raffle.com]

That is not possible.

[Dexon]

That is not possible.

You must not know how to code (nor maths) at all then for saying that.

[btc-raffle.com]

Cute dexon how about you bustabit kids stay off the thread.

[Yovas]

Kids like you won't get anywhere by spamming other sites. Scammers.

[btc-raffle.com]

Kids like you won't get anywhere by spamming other sites. Scammers.

We are a legit business, have never scammed anyone. We have only been online for a few days, and already doing over 0.5 BTC a day. Trust me if we were scammers no one would be playing on our site.

Please reframe from posting false rumors about us created by competitors.

[Bought]

I played there without a problem. Thanks for the new site!(I'm bored of dice and shit.)

[Dexon]

Trust me if we were scammers no one would be playing on our site.

What if no one knows you're actually scamming them?
I don't want to be rude... But the majority of the people playing on casinos thinks that since there's something encrypted, then it's provably fair and won't try to look at if it's true or not by the simple fact that they don't understand a single thing about this.

Since your site is not provably fair and has been proven by many people already, I'm surprised that you didn't yet fixed it.
...
Probably because you don't know how. (That would be legit, no one can know everything... learning isn't a sin and no one would blame you, in fact I could help you fixing your game)
or
Probably you don't want to. (That would just mean you like to be able to rig the game times by times and get money from those players who don't understand what's really going on)

[btc-raffle.com]

I'm getting so sick of the bustabit staff posting here.

The site is provably fair you can see the before and after hash proving it. We can not change the hash nor can we pick the winning ticket our self. When buying tickets it is 100% random.

If this is not good enough for you i will happily hear your ideas.  

[Dexon]

I'll show you what you're doing.

Code:

var randomNumber = 4; // <-- fairly picked up from a dice i rolled in my hands. You don't believe me? Well, i don't care, that's exactly what you do.
console.log( randomNumber ); // <-- I'm showing in the console what is the winning ticket so I can know it before every other users!
var salt = "-Hey-Im-A-Salt";

var encrypted = encrypt(randomNumber + salt); // This is the before hash that you send to the users.

So now, let's take a look at the variable 'randomNumber'. It is currently 4, and I rolled a dice in my hand in real life so it's 100% random and fair right?

...

Right ?


If you truly think the '4' is a random number and that it's fair, then I have nothing else to say, you are dump.
If you say that the '4' is not random then, review your code...

Of course, you don't roll a dice... this is just an image to show that, on your lucky number generation, you have nothing fair happening there.
You are not running a dice game. For your game to be fair, you must have no control or know that random number because you could easily make as many fake accounts as you want to try to "snipe" the lucky ticket and win all the player's money.
Also, this game should have been built based on trust. Yet, all you did was spamming and annoying the players on other casino sites about it. That's not the way you get players.

We have only been online for a few days, and already doing over 0.5 BTC a day.

Also, you're saying that you win 0.5 btc per day of profit. Let me doubt that.
You're only earning 1% of every game and your 'Total Today: 0.27650000 btc'... 1% of 0.27 gives 0.0027... Maths... wtf are you doing with it... And don't try to convince me that you had 50 btc played on your site one day. That's just not true.

Or are you finally admitting you were scamming the players?


Edit: Dice games have what we call a 'client-seed' to allow the player to have an impact on the random number which partially block the casino from rigging it. (some thing that you do not have)

[btc-raffle.com]

I'm not sure why you are comparing us to a dice game. It also sounds like you have never watched or understand how the game works.

If you have a suggestion feel free to post besides that i have asked the bustabit staff to stop posting on our thread. Its a clear attempt to harm us.