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December 17, 2015, 02:41:33 PM
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This article was first published on Russia Insider: http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/us-wants-him-so-yatsenyuk-stays/ri11871

Altercation in Ukrainian parliament obscures fact of Yatsenyuk’s political survival because of US backing.

by Alexander Mercouris



Last week’s fight in the Ukrainian parliament between Prime Minister Yatsenyuk and a deputy of Poroshenko’s party has made world headlines.

In doing so it has obscured the single most important fact about political developments in Ukraine over the last two weeks.

This is that despite the collapse of his support and popularity Yatsenyuk is still Ukraine’s Prime Minister.

Talk of Yatsenyuk’s resignation or dismissal has circulated for months.

There was a flurry of such rumours back in April, which I briefly discussed at the time, pointing out that Yatsenyuk’s departure would not change anything and would certainly not make the Ukrainian government more moderate.

Since then Yatsenyuk’s unpopularity has if anything increased.

This is hardly surprising as the economy has gone from bad to worse and as rumours of corruption have swirled around him and his government.

This sets the background for the events of the last two weeks.

Prior to the parliamentary session last Friday rumours circulated that it would result in the dismissal of the government.

Virtually all the political parties in the parliament apart from Yatsenyuk’s own seemed to be uniting around a demand that he go.  This consensus appeared to include Poroshenko’s party and Tymoshenko’s party – both members of the ruling coalition.

In the event, instead of being voted out of power, Yatsenyuk delivered a speech of quite extraordinary and offensive arrogance, provoking the altercation with the deputy that made world headlines.

In the days since no moves have been made to remove him, and he is still there.

Yatsenyuk’s rise, and his continued presence at the top of the Ukrainian power structure, would be inexplicable if Ukraine were a genuinely sovereign state.

Not only is he massively unpopular, he has never actually been popular.  At the height of the Maidan protests in 2013-2014 he was overshadowed by his two erstwhile partners in the Maidan triumvirate – Klitschko and Tyagnibok.

Nor does Yatsenyuk have a strong political power base.  Whereas at the time of the Maidan protests his partners Klitschko and Tyagnibok headed their own political parties – Udar and Svoboda – Yatsenyuk was no more than the caretaker leader of Tymoshenko’s party – despite being on poor terms with Tymoshenko herself.

The party Yatsenyuk now heads is almost entirely a post-Maidan construction, cobbled together by Yatsenyuk using the patronage his position as head of the Ukrainian government has given him.  It is now so unpopular that it did not even dare to participate in the local elections that took place in Ukraine a few weeks ago.

Despite having no support inside Ukraine Yatsenyuk remains its Prime Minister for one reason only – he has the support of the United States.

This became obvious during the Maidan protests when US assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland was overheard making a telephone call to US ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt insisting that Yatsenyuk and not Klitschko be made Ukraine’s Prime Minister (the famous “Nuland call”).

It continues to be true since.

There has been much discussion about the reasons for US Vice President Biden’s recent visit to Kiev.

Some have pointed to the comments he made in the Ukrainian parliament appearing to endorse the Minsk Agreement and calling for federalisation.

Others have speculated that his visit was connected to the continued Ukrainian military build-up in eastern Ukraine and the renewal of the fighting there.

Still others have speculated that it was to push the Ukrainians further on the road to “reform”.

Biden’s visit doubtless served multiple purposes.  However the key reason for his going to Ukraine was because the US’s two local proconsuls – Nuland and Pyatt – have been struggling to control the political situation there as demands for Yatsenyuk’s removal have boiled over.

A visit from Biden himself – the US administration’s ultimate manager of Ukraine (he was already Yanukovich’s chief US interlocutor at the time of the Maidan protests, with the number of telephone calls between him and Yanukovich almost beyond count) – was therefore deemed necessary.

Rumours in fact circulated during Biden’s visit that Biden discussed Yatsenyuk’s removal with Poroshenko, and that he went over with Poroshenko a list of possible candidates to replace Yatsenyuk.

This included some unlikely individuals, such as former Georgian President Saakashvili and Finance Minister Jaresko – both persons who until recently had foreign (ie. non-Ukrainian) citizenships.

The most plausible candidate mentiohed was however Poroshenko’s close political ally – in fact his henchman – Rada Chairman Volodymyr Groysman.

In the event the days have passed and Yatsenyuk is still there.

Possibly Biden and Poroshenko agreed that Yatsenyuk be given a decent interval before being told to go.  That however is pure speculation.

Yatsenyuk’s extraordinarily arrogant speech at the parliamentary session on Friday however on the contrary suggests someone who is sure of his political support, which suggests that what actually happened was that he got Biden’s backing.

If so then that says everything about where power in Ukraine actually lies.

As for Yatsenyuk himself, he comes across as just another in a long line of political leaders – including Chiang Kai-shek in China, Nguyen van Thieu in Vietnam, George Papadopoulos in Greece, Mobutu Sese Seko in Zaire, Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan and Ahmed Chalabi in Iraq – whose virtues are invisible to everyone except their friends in Washington.

http://thesaker.is/us-wants-him-so-yatsenyuk-stays/

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December 20, 2015, 12:30:58 PM
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Yatsenyuk's party got less than 2% of the votes during the last Rada elections, which was conducted a few months ago. He and his neo-Nazi party has extremely low support levels in Ukraine right now. The ordinary Ukrainians have realized that supporting the extremist parties in the past was a mistake, and have gone back to supporting moderate parties such as Opposition Bloc, Vdrozhdennya, and Nash Krai.
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December 20, 2015, 12:41:43 PM
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There were an abundance of opposition figures in Ukrainian politics before the events of winter of 2014. It is kind of peculiar that they all disappeared and instead all of a sudden these clowns appeared from nowhere and are running the country.

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December 20, 2015, 02:26:06 PM
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Apropos Biden's visit:

https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/12/18/ukraine-idiocracy-big-boss-joe-biden-thieves-avakov-saakashvili-violent-row-yatsenyuk-dragged-off-by-bls/

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Biden’s speech in Ukraine Rada was met with standing ovation. I’m not sure the IQ of ukro-nazi commanders and russophobic clones elected into this Rada is high enough to grasp the meaning of what the boss was saying. So, let me translate.

WHAT BIDEN WAS REALLY SAYING:

In others words, dear Ukrainian folks, in case you’ve missed it, we, the great and almighty USA, are doing a 180 degree flip-flop. You wanted to create a unitarian state, where everyone would be forced to speak Ukrainian, even if they preferred to speak Russian? We tried very hard to help you accomplish just that in order to create anti-Russia out of Ukraine, since, mind you, THIS is our goal Number 1 for your country. But now we’ve come to the conclusion that we’ve destroyed your country and economy for nothing. Sorry about that.

It won’t work, you see. To salvage the situation and continue keeping Ukraine under our thumb, we need to ensure you, our little puppets, don’t lose your power overnight. Therefore, we’ve decided you need to give more autonomy to local elites in each region. Note, not to the people in each region, but to the elites, who can be bought and threatened, just like all of you.

So, dear Ukrainians, forget what we’ve told you before. It’s time to de-dust the dreaded FEDERALIZATION word – something the people of Donbass, Odessa, Crimea, Kharkov, Nikolaev and Zaporozhie demanded in the first place. The original 2014 demands of the South and East of Ukraine were in fact more modest than the scope of the autonomy we are suggesting for you now. Sorry that you had to kill thousands in Donbass, burn people alive in Odessa and throw tens of thousands in jail to deny people the federalization they wanted.

I know federalization is a dirty word in your vocabulary. We do need you to continue performing your role of vicious anti-Russia on Russian borders, so you can’t overtly call what we are asking you to do ‘federalization’ as this is what Russia is – the world’s largest FEDERATION.

Instead, let’s pretend you’ll be building a clone of the United States of America, however inappropriate such structure is for your country – and problem solved!

Standing ovation…

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“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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December 20, 2015, 02:36:47 PM
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December 20, 2015, 02:43:38 PM
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About the video:

Post-9/11, the War on Terror had outlived its usefulness.

The minds behind the think tanks that drive America’s interventionist foreign policy decided that the U.S. needed a new enemy, so they chose an old one -- Russia.

While I agree that Russia is portrayed as enemy by our media, the war on terror has not been ended. To say the war on terror has ended is an interesting statement, however I do not agree. The US government wants to increase its power and the war on freedom will continue with the usual excuses:  terror, drugs, pedophiles and criminals. Without one of these four they would not have a reason for their programs.

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December 20, 2015, 02:49:40 PM
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About the video:

Post-9/11, the War on Terror had outlived its usefulness.

The minds behind the think tanks that drive America’s interventionist foreign policy decided that the U.S. needed a new enemy, so they chose an old one -- Russia.

While I agree that Russia is portrayed as enemy by our media, the war on terror has not been ended. To say the war on terror has ended is an interesting statement, however I do not agree. The US government wants to increase its power and the war on freedom will continue with the usual excuses:  terror, drugs, pedophiles and criminals. Without one of these four they would not have a reason for their programs.

It has outlived its usefulness in that no new major money-making war scams can be based on that anymore. Those major scams were pulled off years ago. But it hasn´t ended. It will go on for decades These nutcases are interested in some retail sure, but they´re much more interested in wholesale.

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December 20, 2015, 03:06:08 PM
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Yatsenyuk's party got less than 2% of the votes during the last Rada elections, which was conducted a few months ago. He and his neo-Nazi party has extremely low support levels in Ukraine right now. The ordinary Ukrainians have realized that supporting the extremist parties in the past was a mistake, and have gone back to supporting moderate parties such as Opposition Bloc, Vdrozhdennya, and Nash Krai.

Yatsenyuk is wretched politican, of course, but Nazi? I dont think so.
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December 20, 2015, 03:25:57 PM
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He´s interested in white-washing nazis so he probably isn´t far from them

“Russian aggression in Ukraine is an attack on world order and order in Europe. All of us still clearly remember the Soviet invasion of Ukraine and Germany. That has to be avoided. And nobody has the right to rewrite the results of the Second World War. And that is exactly what Russia’s President Putin is trying to do.”

“Tagesthemen”, the main newscast of Germany’s ARD public television channel, Jan 7, 2015.

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December 20, 2015, 03:28:52 PM
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Yatsenyuk's party got less than 2% of the votes during the last Rada elections, which was conducted a few months ago. He and his neo-Nazi party has extremely low support levels in Ukraine right now. The ordinary Ukrainians have realized that supporting the extremist parties in the past was a mistake, and have gone back to supporting moderate parties such as Opposition Bloc, Vdrozhdennya, and Nash Krai.

Yatsenyuk is wretched politican, of course, but Nazi? I dont think so.
Well, then you should think better.

https://twitter.com/BalthazarAD/status/678597651017920512

And this is only a tip of iceberg.
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December 20, 2015, 03:52:53 PM
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“Russian aggression in Ukraine is an attack on world order and order in Europe. All of us still clearly remember the Soviet invasion of Ukraine and Germany. That has to be avoided. And nobody has the right to rewrite the results of the Second World War. And that is exactly what Russia’s President Putin is trying to do.”

Yatsenyuk's relatives were part of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), which fought alongside the SS Waffen in the 1940s against the Soviet Red Army. The OUN murdered hundreds of thosuands of people, especially the Jews, Russians, Poles and the Roma. Till date, Yatsenyuk has defended the role of OUN, branding them as "freedom fighters".
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December 20, 2015, 04:12:19 PM
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Yatsenyuk's party got less than 2% of the votes during the last Rada elections, which was conducted a few months ago. He and his neo-Nazi party has extremely low support levels in Ukraine right now. The ordinary Ukrainians have realized that supporting the extremist parties in the past was a mistake, and have gone back to supporting moderate parties such as Opposition Bloc, Vdrozhdennya, and Nash Krai.

Yatsenyuk is wretched politican, of course, but Nazi? I dont think so.
Well, then you should think better.

https://twitter.com/BalthazarAD/status/678597651017920512

And this is only a tip of iceberg.

Lol, silly translator made a mistake and propaganda begin to work. This is the original, in Ukranian - http://usa.mfa.gov.ua/ua/press-center/news/24185-mi-uvichnimo-pamjaty-gerojiv-ochistivshi-nashu-zemlyu-vid-nechistiarsenij-jacenyuk-u-spivchutti-ridnim-i-blizykim-zagiblih-vojiniv-u-lugansyku
Ukranian word "нeлюди" means "inhumans", not "subhumans" like nazi "untermenschen"
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December 20, 2015, 05:11:55 PM
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Yatsenyuk's party got less than 2% of the votes during the last Rada elections, which was conducted a few months ago. He and his neo-Nazi party has extremely low support levels in Ukraine right now. The ordinary Ukrainians have realized that supporting the extremist parties in the past was a mistake, and have gone back to supporting moderate parties such as Opposition Bloc, Vdrozhdennya, and Nash Krai.

Yatsenyuk is wretched politican, of course, but Nazi? I dont think so.
Well, then you should think better.

https://twitter.com/BalthazarAD/status/678597651017920512

And this is only a tip of iceberg.

And if we are talking about subhumans, can you tell me one thing?  Putin has joined Crimea to Russia, "saved Crimea from Ukranian Nazies". Why havent he saved Donbass people from "Ukranian Nazies"? Are they worse than Crimea people?
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Nice try. However, as native russian/ukrainian speaker, I can say that you are lying. The translator was absolutely correct, since there is no actual difference between plural forms of ukrainian/archaic russian "пoтвopa", ukrainian "нeлюд", "нeдoлюдoк", "виpoдoк" and modern russian word "нeдoлюди", if you are using them in such context.

Lol, silly translator made a mistake and propaganda begin to work.
Coвeтyю пoшyкaти iдioтiв y тиx тeмax, в якиx я нe пиcaв. C'mon, no need to insult my intelligence capabilities, if you aren't ready to get a proper assessment of yours. We both know what he wanted to say in this sentence, so keep your propaganda for someone else, please.
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December 20, 2015, 06:05:06 PM
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The Empire Files: 'This Ship is Sinking' Says Former Bush Official

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Abby Martin interviews retired U.S. Army Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, former national security advisor to the Reagan administration, who spent years as an assistant to Secretary of State Colin Powell during both Bush administrations. Today, he is honest about the unfixable corruption inside the establishment and the corporate interests driving foreign policy.

Hear a rare insider's view of what interests are behind U.S. wars, the manipulation of intelligence, the intertwining of the military and corporate world, and why the U.S. Empire is doomed.

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http://multimedia.telesurtv.net/v/the-empire-files-482829/

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2015/december/14/us-foreign-policy-of-interminable-war-to-support-the-national-security-state/

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December 20, 2015, 06:45:24 PM
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We both know what he wanted to say in this sentence, so keep your propaganda for someone else, please.

Lol, he has talked about mercenaries, not simple ukranian people. And if you like to analyze politicans words, what can you say about russian very popular politican, ex-deputy chairman of Duma? He said, that Kiev must be burned in napalm fire, is it normally? Is this politican not a nazi? You like to talk about ukranian nazies, and what can you say abour russian nazies, who take part in that conflict?
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And if we are talking about subhumans, can you tell me one thing?  Putin has joined Crimea to Russia, "saved Crimea from Ukranian Nazies". Why havent he saved Donbass people from "Ukranian Nazies"? Are they worse than Crimea people?

The people of Donbass are capable of defending themselves, as evident from their recent victories in the battlefield. Crimea was a part of Russia from the mid-18th century to 1954. Therefore, when the Crimean population requested for a rejoining, the Kremlin agreed to their demands. Also, ethnic Russians are a majority in Crimea, unlike the situation with Donbass where less than 40% of the population is ethnic Russian.
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There´s one in every crowd......


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There´s one in every crowd......


Traitor! Heretic! Worthless dog! Dispose of him immediately!
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