WTF coinurl

[SgtSpike]

Just updated FAQ:

What is the minimum amount that can be deposited or withdrawn? What is the commission rate?
There are no limits to deposits and withdrawals. Withdrawal commission is 25%.

That's a start, thank you!

[greyhawk]

Imma charging everyone who reads this post a 0.1 BTC fee for, you know, maintainance and stuff.

If you don't want to pay the fee, you shouldn't have read the post.

Now hop to it, adress is in the sig.

You actually started with helpful comments but now you're just acting like a troll.

Thank you for your remittance. 

[giantdragon]

but %25 sounds pretty ridiculous for a Bitcoin-based service. Sorry

I see you just don't understand how many efforts is required to operate CPC ad network and how much does servers and electricity cost! If you don't satisfied with CoinURL's 25% commission, try AdSense with 50%.

BTW, I try to offer as lower commission as I can. I think 25% is the lowest on the CPC ad market.

[caffeinewriter]

you cant withdraw your deposits...only your earnings.....minus 25%

Even better! That way there's no way for me to decide to move my campaign to a competitor!

Of course you cannot do that, just think about the referral commissions.

Stop being a douche, not everything about CoinURL is bad, in fact, the only complain I have with them is that 25% fee.
Have you actually tried their service? Or are you just going with the wave?

Imma charging everyone who reads this post a 0.1 BTC fee for, you know, maintainance and stuff.

If you don't want to pay the fee, you shouldn't have read the post.

Now hop to it, adress is in the sig.

You actually started with helpful comments but now you're just acting like a troll.

I have used their service. I never had much traffic, so I only got a few mBTC, so the fee made that tiny amount even less. And after rereading the withdrawal page again, I was reminded by the text at the bottom of the page that deposited funds can't be withdrawn because of AML. So I more or less retract my post. I still disagree with his nonadjustable fee after his previously fee-free architecture. I'd be okay with %10, but %25 seems a little ridiculous to me.

[caffeinewriter]

So you now have this in your TOS:

CoinURL reserve the right to charge any commission fee without notice to any user in its sole discretion.

I'm pretty sure that's not legal.

I say scammer tag, immidiately.

I'm inclined to agree, but I'm not entirely sure there's grounds for it, because I have no verifiable proof that said clause is illegal.

[giantdragon]

caffeinewriter and others: I decided to set commission fee to 0% for the small withdrawals in total amount below 0.1 BTC per month.

[giantdragon]

Let me translate it to you = CoinURL can charge up to 100% commission fee without notice to any user in its sole discretion.

Suggest your variant how to write this clause in ToS...

P.S. I just don't understand why some people in this thread are so angry on this commission! I can set it to zero, but next month CoinURL will be offline due to unpaid hosting bill. Do you want this? Or do you think all is free?

[caffeinewriter]

caffeinewriter and others: I decided to set commission fee to 0% for the small withdrawals in total amount below 0.1 BTC per month.

Now that's actually quite fantastic That's the kind of thing that makes me inclined to donate on my own.

[caffeinewriter]

I'm going to be 100% honest. After pondering this for a minute and talking with somebody who managed to open my eyes some, why are we all pissed off? The only difference between the fee and what other ad networks do is this fee is visible to the end-user, unlike others which take the cut behind the scenes. So I'm still standing by my stance that %25 is too high, but we may be overreacting a little.

Let me translate it to you = CoinURL can charge up to 100% commission fee without notice to any user in its sole discretion.

Suggest your variant how to write this clause in ToS...

P.S. I just don't understand why some people in this thread are so angry on this commission! I can set it to zero, but next month CoinURL will be offline due to unpaid hosting bill. Do you want this? Or do you think all is free?

The Internet and real world would be so much better without ads and marketing. So yes, drop dead! I'll fucking celebrate, weeee!

As much as I'd like to jump right in and say "hell yeah", without ads, the internet would be dead. It costs money to run the internet, and ads generate money, and make it easier for us, the end user, to use.

[SgtSpike]

Let me translate it to you = CoinURL can charge up to 100% commission fee without notice to any user in its sole discretion.

Suggest your variant how to write this clause in ToS...

P.S. I just don't understand why some people in this thread are so angry on this commission! I can set it to zero, but next month CoinURL will be offline due to unpaid hosting bill. Do you want this? Or do you think all is free?

I don't think anyone wants this, but it's the fact that you were being so secretive about these fees that made everyone angry.

- By the sound of it, you didn't notify current users of the service that you were now charging a commission fee on withdrawals.
- You didn't have the commission fee displayed anywhere that would be accessible to someone who had not yet signed up.
- You had text/advertising up that stated it was a fee-free service, and that the users would receive 100% of the funds, which wasn't true.

If you had been more up-front about the fees, I think people would have been much more understanding.

[greyhawk]

As much as I'd like to jump right in and say "hell yeah", without ads, the internet would be dead. It costs money to run the internet, and ads generate money, and make it easier for us, the end user, to use.

No, that's actually what ad networks want you to believe. Without ad networks to drip-drop-drip cents into websites we would already have decent micropayment systems for web services, like we should have had a bazillion years ago. The absurd "everything is free, lol" mentality would never had the chance to infect a whole generation, it there was a system where say reading an article on the web costs 0,1 cents with an easy transparent per-use payment resolvement.

Alas, I fear it is too late now. Ad networks already have destroyed any chance of that.

[caffeinewriter]

As much as I'd like to jump right in and say "hell yeah", without ads, the internet would be dead. It costs money to run the internet, and ads generate money, and make it easier for us, the end user, to use.

No, that's actually what ad networks want you to believe. Without ad networks to drip-drop-drip cents into websites we would already have decent micropayment systems for web services, like we should have had a bazillion years ago. The absurd "everything is free, lol" mentality would never had the chance to infect a whole generation, it there was a system where say reading an article on the web costs 0,1 cents with an easy transparent per-use payment resolvement.

Alas, I fear it is too late now. Ad networks already have destroyed any chance of that.

*shrugs* makes sense.

[SgtSpike]

As much as I'd like to jump right in and say "hell yeah", without ads, the internet would be dead. It costs money to run the internet, and ads generate money, and make it easier for us, the end user, to use.

No, that's actually what ad networks want you to believe. Without ad networks to drip-drop-drip cents into websites we would already have decent micropayment systems for web services, like we should have had a bazillion years ago. The absurd "everything is free, lol" mentality would never had the chance to infect a whole generation, it there was a system where say reading an article on the web costs 0,1 cents with an easy transparent per-use payment resolvement.

Alas, I fear it is too late now. Ad networks already have destroyed any chance of that.

I'd rather see ads on my screen than pay to view articles, even if it is a tiny amount.  I think most people feel the same way, which is why ads, not micropayments, became the dominant method of revenue on content-publishing sites.

[caffeinewriter]

As much as I'd like to jump right in and say "hell yeah", without ads, the internet would be dead. It costs money to run the internet, and ads generate money, and make it easier for us, the end user, to use.

No, that's actually what ad networks want you to believe. Without ad networks to drip-drop-drip cents into websites we would already have decent micropayment systems for web services, like we should have had a bazillion years ago. The absurd "everything is free, lol" mentality would never had the chance to infect a whole generation, it there was a system where say reading an article on the web costs 0,1 cents with an easy transparent per-use payment resolvement.

Alas, I fear it is too late now. Ad networks already have destroyed any chance of that.

I'd rather see ads on my screen than pay to view articles, even if it is a tiny amount.  I think most people feel the same way, which is why ads, not micropayments, became the dominant method of revenue on content-publishing sites.

It's all about it feeling free, not it necessarily being free.

[SgtSpike]

As much as I'd like to jump right in and say "hell yeah", without ads, the internet would be dead. It costs money to run the internet, and ads generate money, and make it easier for us, the end user, to use.

No, that's actually what ad networks want you to believe. Without ad networks to drip-drop-drip cents into websites we would already have decent micropayment systems for web services, like we should have had a bazillion years ago. The absurd "everything is free, lol" mentality would never had the chance to infect a whole generation, it there was a system where say reading an article on the web costs 0,1 cents with an easy transparent per-use payment resolvement.

Alas, I fear it is too late now. Ad networks already have destroyed any chance of that.

I'd rather see ads on my screen than pay to view articles, even if it is a tiny amount.  I think most people feel the same way, which is why ads, not micropayments, became the dominant method of revenue on content-publishing sites.

It's all about it feeling free, not it necessarily being free.

Exactly.  Making any payment whatsoever, even a very small amount, would make many people feel subconsciously guilty about aimlessly browsing the web.

[giantdragon]

No, that's actually what ad networks want you to believe. Without ad networks to drip-drop-drip cents into websites we would already have decent micropayment systems for web services, like we should have had a bazillion years ago. The absurd "everything is free, lol" mentality would never had the chance to infect a whole generation, it there was a system where say reading an article on the web costs 0,1 cents with an easy transparent per-use payment resolvement.

There was a live example of the system with "pay for every move" and without ads. It was a predecessor of the Internet, widespread in France in the 80s-90s - Minitel. As you could guess, this model lost a competition to the Internet with free ad-sponsored sites.

[K1773R]

EDIT: nvm, this has gone off-topic.

[greyhawk]

There was a live example of the system with "pay for every move" and without ads. It was a predecessor of the Internet, widespread in France in the 80s-90s - Minitel. As you could guess, this model lost a competition to the Internet with free ad-sponsored sites.

Minitel and BTX lost more for technical reasons because they refused to adapt and go away from their character based systems and "page numbers"/menus towards supporting easily navigateable interlinked GUIs like Netscape could provide. This is also what killed off Gopher and Veronica. BTX and Minitel eventually finally switched, though at that time it was already far too late and the implementation was horrible.

[giantdragon]

I don't think anyone wants this, but it's the fact that you were being so secretive about these fees that made everyone angry.

- By the sound of it, you didn't notify current users of the service that you were now charging a commission fee on withdrawals.
- You didn't have the commission fee displayed anywhere that would be accessible to someone who had not yet signed up.
- You had text/advertising up that stated it was a fee-free service, and that the users would receive 100% of the funds, which wasn't true.

If you had been more up-front about the fees, I think people would have been much more understanding.

I admit, it was my fault to not to update the main page and FAQ. This fee was introduced about a month ago, I updated withdrawal page and just forgot to change other docs. There were no complaints about this mismatch, so I found a bug only today when the issue emerged. As I said earlied, now all documentation is updated and all users will be aware of this fee.

[SgtSpike]

I'd rather see ads on my screen than pay to view articles, even if it is a tiny amount.

That is because you don't understand the simple matter = your sensors are receiving all information at all times, but you become aware of just part of it.

"That what I'm not aware of can do me no harm" = no, it does not work that way.

So you're saying my preference is wrong?