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December 23, 2015, 03:53:06 AM
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OP clearly has attention deficit... I strongly suggest that OP if you don't want more criticism please close this thread and go work for legit BTC.
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December 23, 2015, 03:53:45 AM
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No it is not right to call someone a scammer without proper proof.
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December 23, 2015, 03:55:03 AM
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We all know that you're a scammer. Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.

You'll get the negative trust removed after a month or so... If you don't attempt to scam anyone in that period of time.

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We all know that you're a scammer.
Give people here proof that i am a scammer.

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Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.
You are right but the point was that trust system is being abused.
negative trust doesnt necessarily mean youve scammed anyone, that would defeat one of the purposes of tagging a user with negative trust, which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted. negative trust can also be used as a tell that the person / account is not to be trusted, is highly suspect of a scam attempt, engaging in untrustworthy behavior, the list goes on. pretty brand new account asking for a 20k usd loan? yeah i wouldnt trust that either.

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December 23, 2015, 03:57:25 AM
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I invite all of you folks to take a look at my feedback and tell me if that's abuse or not.  I've done a grand total of one (1) deal here on bitcointalk, selling some Coke codes and the deal went fine.  Those other fuckers who left me red trust are just angry assholes who didn't like comments I made.  So yeah, trust abuse is rampant here.  Look at Vod's feedback--tons of retaliatory feedback that's complete horse shit.

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Those other fuckers who left me red trust are just angry assholes who didn't like comments I made.  So yeah, trust abuse is rampant here.  Look at Vod's feedback--tons of retaliatory feedback that's complete horse shit.

That's the thing i have been talking about. It is being abused.
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December 23, 2015, 03:58:44 AM
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OP clearly has attention deficit... I strongly suggest that OP if you don't want more criticism please close this thread and go work for legit BTC.
Thank you.

Bitcointalk community has helped me to become used to criticism, now i don't care what happens.
What else you have to offer instead of criticism? Clearly, nothing. Because it's easy to criticize others but difficult to handle when someone criticize you.
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December 23, 2015, 04:00:35 AM
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We all know that you're a scammer. Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.

You'll get the negative trust removed after a month or so... If you don't attempt to scam anyone in that period of time.

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We all know that you're a scammer.
Give people here proof that i am a scammer.

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Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.
You are right but the point was that trust system is being abused.
negative trust doesnt necessarily mean youve scammed anyone, that would defeat one of the purposes of tagging a user with negative trust, which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted. negative trust can also be used as a tell that the person / account is not to be trusted, is highly suspect of a scam attempt, engaging in untrustworthy behavior, the list goes on. pretty brand new account asking for a 20k usd loan? yeah i wouldnt trust that either.

which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted.
Why not to be trusted ? You have proof of him being not able to trust ? Any past deals or things like that which can prove that this user is not trust worthy?
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December 23, 2015, 05:03:10 AM
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I invite all of you folks to take a look at my feedback and tell me if that's abuse or not.  I've done a grand total of one (1) deal here on bitcointalk, selling some Coke codes and the deal went fine.  Those other fuckers who left me red trust are just angry assholes who didn't like comments I made.  So yeah, trust abuse is rampant here.  Look at Vod's feedback--tons of retaliatory feedback that's complete horse shit.

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Those other fuckers who left me red trust are just angry assholes who didn't like comments I made.  So yeah, trust abuse is rampant here.  Look at Vod's feedback--tons of retaliatory feedback that's complete horse shit.

That's the thing i have been talking about. It is being abused.
Indeed it is, but we all hope that bct users are smart enough to evaluate feedback themselves--if there's no reference to a bct thread where a deal went down or blockchain proof of a scam, it's possible the accusation is a lie.  Those trust feedbacks on my profile is a fine example of that.

But hey, that's the way the admins want it.  It's their game, so I'm just playing it by their rules.

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December 23, 2015, 05:03:56 AM
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It's not abuse... It's your fault for taking out ridiculous unsecured loans.

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December 23, 2015, 05:06:47 AM
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We all know that you're a scammer. Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.

You'll get the negative trust removed after a month or so... If you don't attempt to scam anyone in that period of time.

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We all know that you're a scammer.
Give people here proof that i am a scammer.

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Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.
You are right but the point was that trust system is being abused.
negative trust doesnt necessarily mean youve scammed anyone, that would defeat one of the purposes of tagging a user with negative trust, which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted. negative trust can also be used as a tell that the person / account is not to be trusted, is highly suspect of a scam attempt, engaging in untrustworthy behavior, the list goes on. pretty brand new account asking for a 20k usd loan? yeah i wouldnt trust that either.

which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted.
Why not to be trusted ? You have proof of him being not able to trust ? Any past deals or things like that which can prove that this user is not trust worthy?

looks like you were given red ratings ffor asking for large amounts of money with no collateral on a fairly new throw away-able account. if this doesnt make sense to you, lets put it into simpler words.

lets say you met some random 12 year old kid youve never met or even seen before today while walking to the pharmacy down the street or something because you wanted to buy a candle. why a candle? i dont know either. im just making shit up.
kid asks you: "ayy can i have like 800 dollars? i PROMISE ill pay you back, im CLEARLY trustable."
are you going to give the kid 800 dollars? or are you going to think something like "man fuck this kid im not trusting you for a split second you scammin kid."
probably the latter. does it make more sense now?

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December 23, 2015, 06:38:19 AM
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We all know that you're a scammer. Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.

You'll get the negative trust removed after a month or so... If you don't attempt to scam anyone in that period of time.

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We all know that you're a scammer.
Give people here proof that i am a scammer.

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Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.
You are right but the point was that trust system is being abused.
negative trust doesnt necessarily mean youve scammed anyone, that would defeat one of the purposes of tagging a user with negative trust, which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted. negative trust can also be used as a tell that the person / account is not to be trusted, is highly suspect of a scam attempt, engaging in untrustworthy behavior, the list goes on. pretty brand new account asking for a 20k usd loan? yeah i wouldnt trust that either.

which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted.
Why not to be trusted ? You have proof of him being not able to trust ? Any past deals or things like that which can prove that this user is not trust worthy?

looks like you were given red ratings ffor asking for large amounts of money with no collateral on a fairly new throw away-able account. if this doesnt make sense to you, lets put it into simpler words.

lets say you met some random 12 year old kid youve never met or even seen before today while walking to the pharmacy down the street or something because you wanted to buy a candle. why a candle? i dont know either. im just making shit up.
kid asks you: "ayy can i have like 800 dollars? i PROMISE ill pay you back, im CLEARLY trustable."
are you going to give the kid 800 dollars? or are you going to think something like "man fuck this kid im not trusting you for a split second you scammin kid."
probably the latter. does it make more sense now?

First of all thank you for your well explained example.
But i am not a kid and yes if you read my thread i have been saying that i will give each and every information about how the investment will work and how we will be getting 2BTC daily.
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December 23, 2015, 06:39:36 AM
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It's not abuse... It's your fault for taking out ridiculous unsecured loans.

Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.
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December 23, 2015, 08:00:31 AM
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It's not abuse... It's your fault for taking out ridiculous unsecured loans.

Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.
Big loans without any proof and wouldn't want to reveal any information = scamming
You get it yet or do i have to lend you my common sense ?
This is Bitcoin version of Nigerian scams Grin

Also you keep saying people shouldn't call anyone scammer without proof
Where's the proof of your investment oil company Roll Eyes
people been asking for that but somehow you always dodging that question Tongue
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December 23, 2015, 08:21:20 AM
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Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.

I have absolute 100% proof you are a scammer.  I hope you understand I can't reveal my methods for determining so, or else you would create another scammer account a different way.

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December 23, 2015, 11:42:36 AM
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It's not abuse... It's your fault for taking out ridiculous unsecured loans.

Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.
Big loans without any proof and wouldn't want to reveal any information = scamming
You get it yet or do i have to lend you my common sense ?
This is Bitcoin version of Nigerian scams Grin

Also you keep saying people shouldn't call anyone scammer without proof
Where's the proof of your investment oil company Roll Eyes
people been asking for that but somehow you always dodging that question Tongue

Sir, if you kindly read my thread i have said that if any lender is interested he can contact me and i will provide each and every information about company and how the investment is going to work.
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December 23, 2015, 11:44:12 AM
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Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.

I have absolute 100% proof you are a scammer.  I hope you understand I can't reveal my methods for determining so, or else you would create another scammer account a different way.

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Let me see the proof, Vod. Not only me let everyone see the proof that i am a scammer. Bring it to public.
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December 23, 2015, 12:01:24 PM
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Let me see the proof, Vod. Not only me let everyone see the proof that i am a scammer. Bring it to public.

I'm sure you understand that if I revealed how I knew you were a scammer, you would use that to create another account I could not detect.

But trust me, I have proven 100% you are a scammer.

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December 23, 2015, 01:59:29 PM
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It's not abuse... It's your fault for taking out ridiculous unsecured loans.

Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.
Big loans without any proof and wouldn't want to reveal any information = scamming
You get it yet or do i have to lend you my common sense ?
This is Bitcoin version of Nigerian scams Grin

Also you keep saying people shouldn't call anyone scammer without proof
Where's the proof of your investment oil company Roll Eyes
people been asking for that but somehow you always dodging that question Tongue

Sir, if you kindly read my thread i have said that if any lender is interested he can contact me and i will provide each and every information about company and how the investment is going to work.

Oh for real, you created the topic in front of the public to see and it is fair for you to reveal the information to public, how about you reveal the information to me, then i can bring it to the public
Assuming you do have the legit proof Tongue
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December 23, 2015, 02:21:59 PM
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Imagine if you have unknown people that knock out your door. Once you open it, there is someone looking for $ 1 million loan and will give you back $ 33.333,33 per day
How do you feel then ?

For me, I fell that I'm still don't know him very well so I can accuse him as a scammer ( just at my thought )



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December 23, 2015, 02:23:17 PM
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Imagine if you have unknown people that knock out your door. Once you open it, there is someone looking for $ 1 million loan and will give you back $ 33.333,33 per day
How do you feel then ?

For me, I fell that I'm still don't know him very well so I can accuse him as a scammer ( just at my thought )




Well you know the old one "If it's too good to be true..."
Just use your common sense in detecting scammers. It's quite easy.
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December 23, 2015, 04:33:02 PM
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Nope, it's not Trust abuse. Anyone can leave whatever they want as feedback, especially if they are leaving as a warning for suspected thieves. The key is to make sure it isn't frivolous feedback resulting in the dilution of your own reputation.
Your continued posturing for "proof of scam" is a red herring.

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