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September 28, 2010, 05:30:39 PM
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It seems to be "full steam ahead" for proposing Internet regulation.

http://www.geek.com/articles/news/former-cia-director-proposes-presidential-kill-switch-for-internet-20100928/
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September 29, 2010, 02:04:02 AM
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I wish we had a  kill switch for politicians Lips sealed
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September 29, 2010, 02:38:22 AM
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I betcha some Air Force generals are pissed because they have to divert funds into the new Cyber Command.  They want that money for Raptors and black budget projects.  In their minds, having a "kill switch" is more cost effective than squadrons of computer scientists and technicians.
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September 29, 2010, 03:45:17 AM
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How could there be a 'kill switch' at all?  Wouldn't that both require that the internet protocal be rewritten to not route around censorship as if it were a fault as well as require that every major nation worldwide agree that the president of the United States should have such a power over their domestic infrastructure?

I really can't see how this could be implimented, even if it could be legislated.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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September 29, 2010, 04:27:01 AM
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These people dont really care what the legislation says....
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September 29, 2010, 03:51:23 PM
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How could there be a 'kill switch' at all?  Wouldn't that both require that the internet protocal be rewritten to not route around censorship as if it were a fault as well as require that every major nation worldwide agree that the president of the United States should have such a power over their domestic infrastructure?

They can shut down the major exchanges, such as the ones formerly known as MAE-East and MAE-West, or the one in Tampa.

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September 29, 2010, 05:52:01 PM
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How could there be a 'kill switch' at all?  Wouldn't that both require that the internet protocal be rewritten to not route around censorship as if it were a fault as well as require that every major nation worldwide agree that the president of the United States should have such a power over their domestic infrastructure?

They can shut down the major exchanges, such as the ones formerly known as MAE-East and MAE-West, or the one in Tampa.


True.  But that would only bring the Internet to a crawl, not actually stop communications.  It wouldn't take very long at all for the general public to give up on Youtube and leave the remainder of the Internet alone to handle email and IM traffic.  Enemies of the state probably aren't using video confrencing to coordinate, so what would be the point?

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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September 29, 2010, 05:54:32 PM
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How could something like this possibly protect anything?

Shouldn't there just be a kill switch on sensitive systems?  i.e. a way to disconnect systems being attacked.

I'm a network manager.  We have redundancy and security for a reason.  We don't turn the whole freaking company communications off just because we're getting DOSed or hacked.

How could this be considered anything but another step towards a police state?  The govt needs to stop gaining new ways to silence the public.

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September 30, 2010, 11:04:37 AM
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If the authorities kill YouTube, the masses will rebel.
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September 30, 2010, 08:07:46 PM
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The authorities use youtube for propaganda and stifle truth there, so I really doubt they will be shutting it down anytime soon.

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September 30, 2010, 10:41:45 PM
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If the authorities kill YouTube, the masses will rebel.

I wasn't suggesting that Youtube would be a target, but that shutting down the first tier network hubs would limit throughput to the point that youtube and any other media site would become frustratingly slow.  This would also slow down text based communications, such as email and jabber, but those aren't real time protocals.  Email was designed to take up to seven days to reach it's goal.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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