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December 30, 2015, 04:35:56 AM
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Kurds should have their own country seceding from Turkey. Turkish leaders are barbarians, and Republic of Kurdistan needs to be established. Right inside Turkey.

An independent Kurdistan should contain the ethnic Kurd inhabited regions of Syria and Iraq, in addition to those Kurdish dominated areas of Turkey. Kurdistan is the last stronghold of secularism and progressiveness in the Middle-East (along with the current Syrian regime), and it should be maintained as such at any cost. If Erdogan opposes this, then just send him to some gulag.
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December 30, 2015, 11:14:47 AM
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If Erdogan opposes this, then just send him to some gulag.

Yeah, who will do that? All talk no work done. Free threats. Accept it, he's too powerful. You can't destroy the puppet of US, unless US want it.
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December 31, 2015, 04:34:36 AM
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'Turkey's governing style unacceptable in EU'

EU Commissioner Guenther Oettinger said Turkey will not join the Union in the next 10 or even 20 years. He added that the country needs to demonstrate that it wants to stick to the values and rules of the organisation.

Well, that´s disappointing. Turkey would be just the perfect addition to the soft underbelly.


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December 31, 2015, 01:08:05 PM
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EU Commissioner Guenther Oettinger said Turkey will not join the Union in the next 10 or even 20 years. He added that the country needs to demonstrate that it wants to stick to the values and rules of the organisation.

The laws and regulations in the European Union are not compatible with those in Turkey. As per the EU guidelines, minority languages must be officially recognized, and every attempt must be made to make them available in the field of education, government, and bureaucracy. And how the Turks are going to implement this, when there is a blanket ban on the usage of the Kurdish language?
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January 08, 2016, 09:47:52 PM
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When the Iraqi regime under Saddam Hussein did the same against the Kurds, the Americans and the British were among the first to react. Remember the Halabja chemical attack in 1988? But now, when Turkey is perpetrating even worse atrocities, the NATO is remaining silent. It is not a civil war. It is just a one-sided genocide against unarmed people.

you dont know anything about Turkey and its domestic problems. i live in Turkey. Kurdish terrorists are killing turkish soldiers everyday yet  turkish government made a lot law about kurdish civil rights. BUT Turkey are doomed to take serious cautions over this problem. We cant enjoy our soldiers deaths.
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January 12, 2016, 02:32:52 PM
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At least 10 people were killed and 15 more were wounded this morning in an attack on Sultanahmet, the historic central district of Istanbul, Turkey. According to Turkish officials, a Syrian suicide bomber who may have been affiliated with ISIS or Kurdish separatists was behind the attack.

In a statement this morning, per the BBC, Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that Turkey is a “top target for all terrorist groups in the region.” Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmus said the attacker has been identified as a Syrian born in 1988.

Kurtulmus also noted that most of the victims were foreigners. German Chancellor Angela Merkel said in a statement this morning, “We are seriously concerned that German citizens could and probably will be among the victims and wounded. Those affected are members of a German tourist group.”

So far, no terrorist group has claimed responsibility for the attack. The New York Times notes that in January of last year a Russian suicide bomber with possible ties to ISIS attacked a police station in Sultanahmet, killing on officer. Three other attacks on Turkey last year were linked to ISIS as well, including a bombing in Ankara that killed over 100 people. The BBC notes that “violence has also soared between Turkish security officials and the PKK Kurdish militants, with a PKK offshoot, the TAK, firing a mortar at Istanbul airport last month.”

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January 12, 2016, 02:38:33 PM
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Germany's foreign ministry has on its website (in German) urged German tourists in Istanbul to avoid large crowds and tourist attractions and warned that further violent clashes and "terrorist attacks" were expected across Turkey. BBC

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January 28, 2016, 08:04:40 AM
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Hundreds flee southeast Turkey warzone as 23 killed, curfew expanded in Kurdish Diyarbakir

Published time: 28 Jan, 2016 04:31

Hundreds of people have fled the mainly Kurdish city of Diyarbakir, located in southeastern Turkey, as authorities have extended the curfew there after 23 people were killed in street battles, including three Turkish soldiers and 20 Kurdish fighters.

Heavy gunfire continued on Wednesday in the ancient Sur district of Diyarbakir amid clashes between authorities and militants said to be members of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), which has been outlawed by Ankara, Turkish Dogan news agency reported.

Three Turkish soldiers were killed in Sur when militants fired on them with rifles and a rocket launcher, Reuters cited security sources as saying.

Turkey’s army also confirmed that it had killed 11 alleged PKK in the town of Cizre near the Syrian border, and nine others in Sur on Tuesday. The Turkish army claims it has killed 134 Kurdish fighters in the ancient Sur district since December. The district has also witnessed severe damage since then.

The 24-hour curfew zone has been extended to five more districts in Diyarbakir, according to the district governor’s office. The curfew bans residents from leaving their homes and forbids observers and reporters from entering the areas when clashes are taking place.

After alleged members of PKK reportedly dug trenches and set up explosive devices, the curfew was put in place “restore public order,” the district governor’s office said.

Local media reports estimate that more than 2,000 people left Sur following the fighting on Wednesday. People were seen fleeing with suitcases, bags, and bedding.

“Turkey’s state early in the morning started to warn people that they have to leave their houses. And right now thousands of people are trying to leave Sur district, the ancient part of the city,” Harun Ercan, a Diyarbakir resident, told RT.

“This armed conflict continues to create new tragedies and these people don’t know what to do. While these operations continue, gross human rights violations are committed by Turkey’s security forces,” Ercan added.

Turkish authorities have introduced curfews in several Kurdish-majority towns since the peace process with the PKK collapsed in the summer of 2015.

Clashes between Turkish forces and Kurdish PKK fighters have been ongoing since July. Turkey’s authorities maintain that all of those killed during the security operations in the country’s southeast have been PKK members.

READ MORE: No terrorists at the table? Turkey ‘threatens to withdraw’ from Syria talks over Syrian Kurds

However, the Turkish Human Rights Foundation reported that at least 198 civilians, including 39 children, have been killed in military operations in the area since August.

Kurds have long been campaigning for the right to self-determination and greater autonomy in Turkey, where they are the largest ethnic minority. In late December, a congress of Kurdish nongovernmental organizations called for Turkey’s southeastern regions to be granted autonomy via constitutional reforms.

Turkish security forces launched a large-scale security operation in southeastern part of the country on December 14.

Human Rights Watch criticized the curfews, stating that they make it impossible to monitor causes of deaths. “Many people have died in circumstances which are extremely difficult to scrutinize because of the curfews,” The Guardian quoted Emma Sinclair-Webb, a senior researcher for Human Rights Watch, as saying.

https://www.rt.com/news/330394-turkey-people-flee-diyarbakir-kurds/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=RSS

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January 28, 2016, 09:10:21 AM
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It would appear the psychopath Erdogan is going to get the civil war he has always wanted More ethnic cleansing coming your way via Turkey. It's their history!

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January 28, 2016, 10:10:36 AM
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It would appear the psychopath Erdogan is going to get the civil war he has always wanted More ethnic cleansing coming your way via Turkey. It's their history!

The civil war has been ongoing for decades. It has ebbed and waned. It has seemed to be ramping up lately and to be moving from rural areas into cities. After ISIS became a big player in the neighborhood it then became an overt and covert ally against the Kurds in Iraq and Syria  and of course this spills into Turkey itself. It´s an escalation. Of course pissing off the russian bear in this situation was probably a terrible idea, unless Ankara wants them to support the Kurds and wants this escalation.

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January 28, 2016, 04:35:26 PM
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erdogan trying to revenge Kurds.. for fighting and defeating his puppet ISIS terrorists.. There are no good guys on either side
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January 29, 2016, 02:54:46 AM
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you dont know anything about Turkey and its domestic problems. i live in Turkey. Kurdish terrorists are killing turkish soldiers everyday yet  turkish government made a lot law about kurdish civil rights. BUT Turkey are doomed to take serious cautions over this problem. We cant enjoy our soldiers deaths.

Listen, Kurdish lives are also valuable. You are so concerned about the death of a few dozen or so Turkish soldiers, and at the same time you are completely ignoring the massacre of more than 1,000 ethnic Kurds (most of them civilians) by these same Turkish soldiers. Allow the Kurds to live peacefully in their own villages and you will no longer face rebellion from them.
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January 29, 2016, 08:11:54 PM
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Turkish foreign policy in the middle east for dummies

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January 30, 2016, 06:54:57 AM
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When the Iraqi regime under Saddam Hussein did the same against the Kurds, the Americans and the British were among the first to react. Remember the Halabja chemical attack in 1988? But now, when Turkey is perpetrating even worse atrocities, the NATO is remaining silent. It is not a civil war. It is just a one-sided genocide against unarmed people.

Well, I think it started long ago and is now seriously escalating. In a few weeks garbage media will be unable to ignore it anymore. It´s good to try to be ahead of the curve, so starting this thread.

yes it started long years ago but it wasnt started by turkish government .. it was started by a terrorist organisation called ''PKK'' . Turkish forces wants to root away this evil force not innocent people..
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January 30, 2016, 12:17:50 PM
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yes it started long years ago but it wasnt started by turkish government .. it was started by a terrorist organisation called ''PKK'' . Turkish forces wants to root away this evil force not innocent people..

How can they separate "evil" and "innocent" people? ~%90 of Kurds support PKK. You can't fight with whole race. I think the problem is normally they can live together but governments don't want them to live together. If Kurds build a new country in Iraq-Syria borders they would want to get some Turkish land too.
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January 30, 2016, 01:40:27 PM
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How can they separate "evil" and "innocent" people? ~%90 of Kurds support PKK. You can't fight with whole race. I think the problem is normally they can live together but governments don't want them to live together. If Kurds build a new country in Iraq-Syria borders they would want to get some Turkish land too.

I don't think that the NATO will allow the Kurds to have their own independent country. At the most, they will be granted autonomous cantons in Syria, just like what they are having in Northern Iraq. The future of Turkish Kurdistan is even more complex. The Turks will fight tooth and nail to prevent the creation of a Kurdish autonomous territory out there.
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February 01, 2016, 11:44:33 PM
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Turkey’s urban war leaves thousands of Kurds without homes

DIYARBAKIR, Turkey — In his 1853 travelogue about Diyarbakir, German orientalist Julius Heinrich Petermann described how he reached the city after sunset to find the fortress gates locked and had to wait for the morning to enter the city. More than 160 years later, those waiting at the gates of the old walled city — now Diyarbakir’s district of Sur — are its own Kurdish residents, forced out from their homes amid clashes between the Turkish security forces and armed militants entrenched in residential areas.´

On a cold winter day last week, dozens of people — refugees in their own city — waited at the checkpoint at the entrance of Sur, desperate to be let in to take a few belongings from their homes, since they had fled with only the clothes on their backs. The police would not budge, leading one resident to exclaim, “We’ve sheltered the Syrians, but who is going to shelter us?”

Five neighborhoods in Sur have been sealed off under a round-the-clock curfew for almost two months as the police and the army battle militants of the Patriotic Revolutionary Youth Movement (YDG-H), the youth wing of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). The rebels have been holding out behind trenches and barricades in narrow residential streets, often planted with explosives and booby traps.

On Jan. 27, the scope of the curfew was extended to six other neighborhoods, where YDG-H militants were found to be holed up. Residents were ordered to evacuate their homes — some by the police, others by the YDG-H — but the sound of gunfire rang out before they were able to leave. The civilians’ flight from the area was a run for their lives.

Ramazan Mutlu, a 65-year-old who waited at the checkpoint on Jan. 29, recounted how the rattle of spades startled him one night around midnight last week. When he went out to check, he saw masked men digging a ditch. He admonished them, but they would not stop. Shortly, the police arrived and the diggers ran away. The police ordered Mutlu’s building evacuated. Some 40 people, all from the same clan, left the three-story building in haste, taking refuge with relatives in other neighborhoods or nearby villages.

“Because they dug trenches, vehicles could not enter the neighborhood. The police told us to leave and come back in the morning to collect our stuff,” Mutlu told Al-Monitor as he waited in vain for the promised permission to go back and collect belongings.

“We are now left homeless. Some of us went to the village; others were scattered around [the city]. … Different people have sheltered me in their homes during the nights. If we can’t take our belongings tomorrow as well, we’ll probably go to the village and become shepherds,” Mutlu said.

He waited some more at the checkpoint, but the police were unrelenting. As Mutlu walked away — probably to look for a place to spend the night — an agitated woman argued with the police. “Let me go and take a blanket at least,” she pleaded in vain.

“We left only with the clothes we had on,” she told Al-Monitor, refusing to give her name or have her picture taken. “My eldest son is doing his military service, and I don’t have a husband. What is a single woman like me supposed to do?”

The woman said the order to evacuate their home, which was on a street where clashes were taking place, came from the police. “There was nowhere for me and my children to go. A charitable man offered us shelter. He gave us a room in his home, but we have no belongings with us. We all sleep on the floor,” she said.

The woman’s long wait at the checkpoint also proved futile. Desperate, she walked away as another woman sought to negotiate with the police. Pointing at her legs, she pleaded, “Look, this is still the pantyhose with which I left.”

Other residents, who lived in a building close to Sur’s gate, said they were ordered to leave by YDG-H militants, who also blew up the building’s electric transformer.

As the crowd at the checkpoint grew, the police announced with a loudspeaker that no one would be allowed to cross and urged the people to disperse. Soon, the crowd dwindled. Mansur Izgi, too, walked away, grumbling. He had hoped to go to Sur to collect the belongings of his parents and siblings, who had taken shelter in his house.

For Izgi, the plight of his family and other Sur residents was little different from that of the refugees fleeing the civil war in Syria. “If they let us go, we’ll take my parents’ belongings and settle them in another place,” Izgi told Al-Monitor. “We’ve become refugees in our own lands. The Syrians came and Turkey took them in, but who is going to take us in?”

In another corner of Sur, throngs of panicked people made their way out, even though the expanded restrictions did not cover their neighborhoods. The exodus was triggered by rumors that the clashes would soon spread to that neighborhood. Better-off residents rented trucks to take along their belongings, while others hurried away with big bundles on their backs. The authorities sought to dispel the rumors, but few seemed to take notice.

Human rights groups estimate that some 30,000 residents of Sur, roughly a fourth of the district’s population, have fled, in addition to tens of thousands more displaced across the mainly Kurdish southeast, where urban clashes have been raging since the summer. According to a report presented at a recent meeting of the ruling Justice and Development Party, the clashes in Sur and the towns of Silopi, Cizre and Nusaybin, the main theaters of the fighting, have “affected” 220,000 people out of a total population of 439,000, caused 93,000 people to migrate and damaged 10,300 small businesses. The report said more than 520 PKK militants were killed, but it made no mention of civilian deaths, which the Turkish Human Rights Foundation put at 124 in late December.

Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, for his part, said last week that 600 families were forced to flee their homes in Sur, promising financial assistance for their accommodations and reconstruction projects for the ancient quarter.

At present, however, the old city remains in the grips of deadly unrest and human suffering. On Jan. 29, the security forces seized the YDG-H’s largest weapons cache so far in a house in Sur. Five soldiers were killed and four others were wounded in clashes in the next two days, mostly by sniper fire.



Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/02/turkey-expanding-clashes-leave-thousands-without-home.html#ixzz3yxli41de




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February 02, 2016, 12:17:22 AM
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Kurds and Turkish people were always in fight. Kurds are now the only one who is against ISIS. Cities in Turkey are like a bombs now. Kurds,domestic people,terrorists..soon willl be an open war there especially in Istanbul, Izmir and other

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February 02, 2016, 12:46:51 AM
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Kurds and Turkish people were always in fight. Kurds are now the only one who is against ISIS. Cities in Turkey are like a bombs now. Kurds,domestic people,terrorists..soon willl be an open war there especially in Istanbul, Izmir and other

I think so. And as ISIS gets defeated in Syria and Iraq they´ll go to Turkey. Which probably won´t be good for stability. Maybe Erdogan´s dream of a Greater Turkey will end in a fractured state.

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February 02, 2016, 12:59:24 AM
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Turkey is a fractured state. 10 years ago, there was a hope the sad days were over with some autonomy to Eastern areas of Turkey, but it's all gone now. Civil war is back on the agenda, and it will take years before some kind of peace can be achieved, if ever. Besides, things are changing in the South, too. The border between Syria and Irak will never again be what it was a decade ago. I don't know how, but several countries will have to be remapped.

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