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December 28, 2015, 10:01:27 AM
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Hello bitcoin experts!

I have seen this video about bitcoin:http://youtu.be/J52AM5SrOHw the creator of the video is saying that satoshi made one mistake when he created bitcoins and we only can solve the that mistake by giving the miners a little bit of identity and then ensire that bitcoins are decentralized.

Is that true? I need your opinions!

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December 28, 2015, 12:28:23 PM
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Interesting but anonymity is one of things that drew me to bitcoin to
begin and would have to think we would lose a lot of users.

I think the best think to do is to work together helping these countries
that want to ban it, that its a good thing and they should be friendlier
and more open minded to bitcoin users.

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December 28, 2015, 12:47:50 PM
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well bitcoin was never mean to be 100% anonymous, and it is simply impossible, to do not beacause there will be no tech for doing it in bitcoin directly, but for this simple reason

when you purchase something, using bitcoin or rocks or women or whatever you want, you need to provide your shipping address, this will kill any anonymous point
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December 28, 2015, 12:50:35 PM
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I personally agree with the fact anonymity s the single worst  trait Satoshi gave to BTC. It attracts scammers, ponzi operator and similar slime. These people scam good people and deter them from using BTC. If you dont do with illegal stuff, why hide? If you do illegal stuff, I dont want u in BTC.

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December 28, 2015, 12:56:36 PM
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I personally agree with the fact anonymity s the single worst  trait Satoshi gave to BTC. It attracts scammers, ponzi operator and similar slime. These people scam good people and deter them from using BTC. If you dont do with illegal stuff, why hide? If you do illegal stuff, I dont want u in BTC.

While I quite agree that it doesn't bring good to BTCBTCBTC, I think that having to tie your identity to your bitcoin address is pretty much against the principles of bitcoin itself.

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December 28, 2015, 12:57:08 PM
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You don't have to be an expert to know nothing can be perfect. Anonymity is what makes this currency so unique, you can't say anonymity is the worst feature because it's in fact the essential feature
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December 28, 2015, 01:06:10 PM
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I do not see it as big mistake, there is not absolute anonymity as every transaction is trackable and wallets contains address. There will allways be people who want to abbuse system.
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December 28, 2015, 01:17:14 PM
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Bitcoin is not anonymous payment method at all. Because all transactions that were ever made are available for public in the blockchain.
If you mean with anonymity that no one need to give personal details to create a wallet, that's true.
But this is the same with any currency. People can use fiat without revealing their personal info
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December 28, 2015, 01:26:03 PM
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well bitcoin was never mean to be 100% anonymous, and it is simply impossible, to do not beacause there will be no tech for doing it in bitcoin directly, but for this simple reason

when you purchase something, using bitcoin or rocks or women or whatever you want, you need to provide your shipping address, this will kill any anonymous point

bitcoin is as anonymous as you want to a certain extend. as you say, when you buy stuff where you need to provide your home address details, then the advantage of being semi-anonymous is gone. when it comes to hiding the identity of your coins, mixers will help you achieve that. then again, it's only semi-anonymous as you can't sell them on exchanges without your bank details etc. as long as you hold the mixed coins, no one will know who the coins are from.
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December 29, 2015, 07:16:04 AM
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Interesting but anonymity is one of things that drew me to bitcoin to
begin and would have to think we would lose a lot of users.

I think the best think to do is to work together helping these countries
that want to ban it, that its a good thing and they should be friendlier
and more open minded to bitcoin users.

Well, most users prefer being anonymous, and not showing off their identity. Anonymity is a good thing in bitcoin, so I don’t think satoshi made any mistake about that, and he himself is trying to stay anonymous, and doesn’t want any body to know who he is, and till today nobody knows him.
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December 29, 2015, 07:23:43 AM
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I personally agree with the fact anonymity s the single worst  trait Satoshi gave to BTC. It attracts scammers, ponzi operator and similar slime. These people scam good people and deter them from using BTC. If you dont do with illegal stuff, why hide? If you do illegal stuff, I dont want u in BTC.

for me im on the fence about anonymity.. but i think satoshi done the right thing.. by not making it compulsory to have ID just to own bitcoins, allows the world to choose if they want to add a layer ontop to give identity, or leave it as pseudonymous as a person likes.

basically if a person or business wants to hide.. let them hide .. hide so well you never have to deal with them.
if you want someone to give ID.. they can.. but if they choose not to.. then dont deal with them

its a choice, which i respect. i just wish some people actually ask strangers for ID before handing them funds.. instead of then blaming bitcoin for not being able to grab that recipient hold and slap him with a wet fish if he done wrong.

basically if you dont trust someone.. ask.. if they dont tell, dont trade.. thats the best ethos of a free market

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December 29, 2015, 07:37:33 AM
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Bitcoin is not anonymous (http://www.bitcoinisnotanonymous.com/). It never was. It is pseudo-anonymous.

Bitcoin is NOT anonymous: http://www.bitcoinisnotanonymous.com
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December 29, 2015, 07:41:58 AM
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Bitcoin is not anonymous (http://www.bitcoinisnotanonymous.com/). It never was. It is pseudo-anonymous.

50% of your posts are you spamming that link.. atleast use one of the links within your link (bottom of your page) as a more direct way of explaining why..
as all your pages is a lot of waffly quotes that bore people before it even gets to the explanation

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December 29, 2015, 07:43:31 AM
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Bitcoin is not anonymous (http://www.bitcoinisnotanonymous.com/). It never was. It is pseudo-anonymous.

50% of your posts are you spamming that link.. atleast use one of the links within your link (bottom of your page) as a more direct way of explaining why..
as all your pages is a lot of waffly quotes that bore people before it even gets to the explanation

So dont read it.

Edit:
But thanks for noticing that only 50% of posts have this link. I added it to my signature now. So all posts will have it.

Bitcoin is NOT anonymous: http://www.bitcoinisnotanonymous.com
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December 29, 2015, 07:52:57 AM
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Satoshi made it pseudo-anonymous for a reason.... You get the same financial "privacy" when you work with cash. It can be traced, if you use it in the wrong way. If Satoshi made

it less anonymous, everyone would be complaining about that, and they would not be using it, because it would be perceived as a infringement of their financial privacy.

You have to take the good with the bad... just like we doing with the internet.  Roll Eyes

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December 29, 2015, 08:29:19 AM
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How can something be a mistake if it was implemented on purpose? He never claimed it would be 100% anonymous, therefore it is not a mistake that it is not.

Full anonymity is a utopian world (and probably not even that, because it would cause soo many problems with illegal stuff). For normal legal use you can become anonymous enough if you do your best nowadays.
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December 29, 2015, 09:01:59 PM
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Yes, it seems to me if an attacker, who wishes to destroy bitcoin, gains greater than 50% control then bitcoins's in trouble, yes?

Let's assume the attacker has more than 50% but less that 66.666...% control - so can mine nearly twice as many blocks as the rest of the miners put together. What are the consequences? What can the attacker do? Is there a defense? The attacker can create bad blocks (double spends or whatever) but the other miners will reject the bad blocks. However,  the attacker keeps extending its fork of the blockchain, containing the bad blocks, at near twice the rate of the honest blockchain. But AISI, the attacker's fork can be shown to contain bad blocks. Can that fact be used, by honest miners,  to deter ordinary (non-miner) users from using the corrupt fork?
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December 29, 2015, 09:04:34 PM
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Pseudo anonymous can be a good feature for bitcoin. It will let authority track the illegal use of bitcoin.





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December 29, 2015, 09:31:49 PM
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I personally agree with the fact anonymity s the single worst  trait Satoshi gave to BTC. It attracts scammers, ponzi operator and similar slime. These people scam good people and deter them from using BTC. If you dont do with illegal stuff, why hide? If you do illegal stuff, I dont want u in BTC.
So does cash and banks. What is your point exactly?

Pseudo anonymous can be a good feature for bitcoin. It will let authority track the illegal use of bitcoin.
It is very good. If it was completely anonymous then there would be problems (especially with regulations).

How can something be a mistake if it was implemented on purpose? He never claimed it would be 100% anonymous, therefore it is not a mistake that it is not.
It is not a mistake. It is the subjective opinion of certain individuals. Just imagine if anyone in the world could connect each transaction to the person behind it? Who would use such a system? I certainly would not.

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I don't believe there was any mistake at all. It is a needed currency.
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