Requesting Dooglus to be removed from DefaultTrust

[Bill Gates]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3420

I think, a person with the following trust rating is not eligible to be on DT.

Trust:    1: -1 / +15

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[The Sceptical Chymist]

This has been brought up before, and I'm on the fence about it.  Don't know what's true and what's not, but he's done more good for the community than harm and none of us is perfect.

[ABitNut]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3420

I think, a person with the following trust rating is not eligible to be on DT.

Trust:    1: -1 / +15

What are you trying to say?

[tarsua]

Being on DT has nothing to do with how trusted you are, it h as to do with how solid your trust ratings are

[InvoKing]

Being on DT has nothing to do with how trusted you are

Agree with this.

it has to do with how solid your trust ratings are

Well after the master-p fiasco everyone has to be careful with who to deal and who to trust, if someone is willing to send a big amount better to divide it and use many escrows, same goes for multiple sig comp funds owned by 1 guy..
Perplexed.. Better to not trust anyone giving a service and hiding his identity 

@OP: lock this topic plox.

[minifrij]

From what it seems, dooglus has a negative trust due to a feedback left by BayAreaCoins due to a personal dispute (something that BayAreaCoins seems to do, and should stop doing). If you read the feedback posted, it does not actually list anything negative towards him. Myself, I think that the feedback should be removed, though I am not involved in the matter so I no doubt know all of the information.

[james.lent]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3420

I think, a person with the following trust rating is not eligible to be on DT.

Trust:    1: -1 / +15

you got to get your trust list fixed and stop adding shitty people into it mate. dooglus is one of the most trusted members here so stop hiding behind your alt and post from your main acc already

[mexxer-2]

Removal from DT 1 because of a personal feud with a member in DT 2, definitely gonna happen /sarcasm

[Vod]

You people need to stop entertaining newbie accounts.  If they don't post from their main account, they don't stand behind their words.

[dogie]

You people need to stop entertaining newbie accounts.  If they don't post from their main account, they don't stand behind their words.

That should apply for everything really.

[Vod]

You people need to stop entertaining newbie accounts.  If they don't post from their main account, they don't stand behind their words.

That should apply for everything really.

It DOES apply to everything.

[Joel_Jantsen]

You people need to stop entertaining newbie accounts.  If they don't post from their main account, they don't stand behind their words.

Here's what I found and they do openly agree that they do it with newbie accounts because apparently they get negative reputation lol

Yeah this is not a new account and obviously I made it for this post as I my original account would be targeted and probably negative rep'd for this post.

Since we all are aware of master-p's scam or account sale ,somehow it connects to the DT members who gave him that trust based on his honestly and hoped he would be trustworthy which was fine until he scammed.

Now I saw mexxer-2's trust rating and oh well,look at it!Guy has not done even a single trade and still given green trust ?Why?Just because he has enough time to monitor the forum? Below is the screenshot of his trust rating.

[someone do me a favor and post the actual image please?]

Trust ratings should be given with an appropriate reason and reference which will actually prove that the person has done some sufficient amount of trades in the past which makes him reliable and trustworthy.

I feel the trust rating of mexxer-2 must be removed because you can't trust him just because "he is kicking some  spammer's ass" as blazed's feedback says.

Also,this is quite biased to other good traders who actually do trades here and are not given feedabck just because they aren't licking balls of the DT's like mexxer-2.

We all know,this is unfair and all are just scared to speak because their accounts will be neg rep'd if they bring out such issues.

We should take care of this forum or I would not be surprised if mexxer-2 scams and runs away.We had it coming.That being said,voice your opinions.Agree,that the trust rating given to mexxer-2 is not even eligible to make it look green.Thanks

[Bill Gates]

You people need to stop entertaining newbie accounts.  If they don't post from their main account, they don't stand behind their words.

Who is saying is not important, what is being stated is what matters. Celebrity culture should not be celebrated.

[shorena]

You people need to stop entertaining newbie accounts.  If they don't post from their main account, they don't stand behind their words.

Who is saying is not important, what is being stated is what matters. Celebrity culture should not be celebrated.

I agree, however your argument to remove doog from DT is "they look bad when I make my list special". I hope you dont expect to be taken serious with this.

[Bardman]

Unless OP hates Dooglus for some reason I don't get his point. Shouldn't you complain about the other guy, OP? He is the one who gave Dooglus a negative trust for basically no reason, shouldn't he be the one who gets kicked out of DT? Dooglus could have scammed tons of coins and he didn't which makes him one of the most trusted people in this forum.

[Bill Gates]

You people need to stop entertaining newbie accounts.  If they don't post from their main account, they don't stand behind their words.

Who is saying is not important, what is being stated is what matters. Celebrity culture should not be celebrated.

I agree, however your argument to remove doog from DT is "they look bad when I make my list special". I hope you dont expect to be taken serious with this.

I have not made any change to my trust list. Probably you have. Or you might have left +ve on dooglus. Hence you are not seeing his true trust that most of us can see. If you dont believe me, create a newbie account and check doog's profile.

[dogie]

If you dont believe me, create a newbie account and check doog's profile.

Or just copy paste your trust list somewhere else, and put in DefaultTrust for 2 levels temporarily.

[shorena]

You people need to stop entertaining newbie accounts.  If they don't post from their main account, they don't stand behind their words.

Who is saying is not important, what is being stated is what matters. Celebrity culture should not be celebrated.

I agree, however your argument to remove doog from DT is "they look bad when I make my list special". I hope you dont expect to be taken serious with this.

I have not made any change to my trust list. Probably you have. Or you might have left +ve on dooglus. Hence you are not seeing his true trust that most of us can see. If you dont believe me, create a newbie account and check doog's profile.

You are indeed correct. Im not sure what to make of BACs rating though. For one it includes:

Dooglus has a very good history of giving people back their coins though I will say that. I saw him return over 60,000 BTC to rightful owners.

and BAC has doog in their trust list. There is also no way to verify their story and the two had some issues a while back.

[barbara44]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3420

I think, a person with the following trust rating is not eligible to be on DT.

Trust:    1: -1 / +15

You know he owned the best gambling site , so my vote is keep him in DT .

[Quickseller]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3420

I think, a person with the following trust rating is not eligible to be on DT.

Trust:    1: -1 / +15

You know he owned the best gambling site , so my vote is keep him in DT .

He has also endorsed multiple gambling sites that ended up stealing millions of dollars worth of bitcoin, gave people incentives to deposit their BTC at inputs (one of TF's sites that ended up having ~4k BTC stolen/lost), has a history of using his trust ratings as a form of extortion, among many other transgressions.

He absolutely should not be anywhere near DT, let alone on L1 Default Trust

[mexxer-2]

He absolutely should not be anywhere near DT, let alone on L1 Default Trust

Well personal feud is one thing, but once given a position in DT 1, probably for having a maintained trust list(IIRC CITM was given the position mostly because he had a big trust list, correct me if I am wrong) , being one of the "oldest member" and being regularly active, I believe it takes much much more than personal feud with another individual( BAC) to be removed from DT 1. Theymos even turned a blind eye when CITM began abusing his DT 1 position until it was too much and nearly all of the community(well the ones still in DT anyway) "decided" against having him on DT 1, after which he was removed(yeah read the whole thread, mayne was it long).
I wonder though, if BAC distrusts doog, why not remove him from his trust list as well?

Edit: Just realized, you knew all this 

[minifrij]

You are indeed correct. Im not sure what to make of BACs rating though. For one it includes:
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and BAC has doog in their trust list. There is also no way to verify their story and the two had some issues a while back.

From what I can gather from the feedback he left on dooglus and others on the same day, it isn't that BAC doesn't trust dooglus it's that he doesn't like Clam. Therefore, he negative trusted some of the largest players involved (doog, SuperClam and xploited) to try and bring down the reputation of the coin. There is literally nothing negative said about dooglus in the feedback other than "he switched the site to a coin i dont like anymore and got a lot of it". Who knows, if he gets tired of Bitcoin he might leave satoshi a neg for owning a lot of BTC.
Personally I don't think that BAC should be on DT for this reason, though that obviously isn't my decision to make.

He has also endorsed multiple gambling sites that ended up stealing millions of dollars worth of bitcoin, gave people incentives to deposit their BTC at inputs (one of TF's sites that ended up having ~4k BTC stolen/lost)

Unless he continued endorsing them after they began scamming, I can't really see why that is entirely his fault. In the case of inputs, it was promoted by a lot of large websites and ran by someone previously extremely trusted in the Bitcoin community; I don't see it as particularly fair to target dooglus for this without mentioning the other people involved.

has a history of using his trust ratings as a form of extortion, among many other transgressions.

Do you have an example of this? I can't say I've ever really heard it before.

[Heutenamos]

It is because of digging petition.They are removing/removed it & I too think it is wrong to change it now just because some one is benefiting from it.
Edit : regardless of who is involved ,but bac's ratings are not wrong in some sense.

[DeathAngel]

Isn't dooglus the guy behind Prime Dice?

If so then he is one of the most trusted members of the community?

[mexxer-2]

Isn't dooglus the guy behind Prime Dice?

If so then he is one of the most trusted members of the community?

Thats stunna you're talking about. And he's on DT 2, under doog's trust list. Dooglus runs just-dice.com.

[coolcoinz]

Don't know him but what is he accused of? Promoting an altcoin and making money on it? Is this really worth neg. trust? Many people here are doing it.

[redsn0w]

The drama about the default trust will never end  , however you should argue better your point...

[shorena]

It is because of digging petition.They are removing/removed it & I too think it is wrong to change it now just because some one is benefiting from it.
Edit : regardless of who is involved ,but bac's ratings are not wrong in some sense.

It was enough for me to divest everything from JD and sell all my CLAM, but I doubt that doog knew about CLAM in advance. Just because of the way JD and doge dice works they had plenty of addresses to dig CLAMs from.

Maybe BAC can shed some more light on the rating.

[Alex194]

It is because of digging petition.They are removing/removed it & I too think it is wrong to change it now just because some one is benefiting from it.
Edit : regardless of who is involved ,but bac's ratings are not wrong in some sense.

It was enough for me to divest everything from JD and sell all my CLAM, but I doubt that doog knew about CLAM in advance. Just because of the way JD and doge dice works they had plenty of addresses to dig CLAMs from.

Maybe BAC can shed some more light on the rating.

That would be great because there is no reference link in his rating, he didn't provide any proof or evidence so in any case he is the one abusing dt position.

[ABitNut]

You people need to stop entertaining newbie accounts.  If they don't post from their main account, they don't stand behind their words.

Who is saying is not important, what is being stated is what matters. Celebrity culture should not be celebrated.

I disagree. With all the sock puppets¹ around it is important to know who you're shilling for. Also all you have said was:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3420

I think, a person with the following trust rating is not eligible to be on DT.

Trust:    1: -1 / +15

And the answer to that is DT is a separate concept from the trust score. Your score does not impact the quality of your feedback.


^{Hello QuickSeller, are you using multiple accounts to comment on this thread?}

[Heutenamos]

It is because of digging petition.They are removing/removed it & I too think it is wrong to change it now just because some one is benefiting from it.
Edit : regardless of who is involved ,but bac's ratings are not wrong in some sense.

It was enough for me to divest everything from JD and sell all my CLAM, but I doubt that doog knew about CLAM in advance. Just because of the way JD and doge dice works they had plenty of addresses to dig CLAMs from.

Maybe BAC can shed some more light on the rating.

I think it's pretty clear if you consider everything relating to clam/JD and read it.

That would be great because there is no reference link in his rating, he didn't provide any proof or evidence so in any case he is the one abusing dt position.

Literally all ratings are just abuse if your logic is taken into consideration.It's Opinion based and he can have his own regardless of the weight of DT.

[ABitNut]

It is because of digging petition.They are removing/removed it & I too think it is wrong to change it now just because some one is benefiting from it.
Edit : regardless of who is involved ,but bac's ratings are not wrong in some sense.

It was enough for me to divest everything from JD and sell all my CLAM, but I doubt that doog knew about CLAM in advance. Just because of the way JD and doge dice works they had plenty of addresses to dig CLAMs from.

Maybe BAC can shed some more light on the rating.

I think it's pretty clear if you consider everything relating to clam/JD and read it.

That would be great because there is no reference link in his rating, he didn't provide any proof or evidence so in any case he is the one abusing dt position.

Literally all ratings are just abuse if your logic is taken into consideration.It's Opinion based and he can have his own regardless of the weight of DT.

In addition, if you do not agree with their feedback you can ask them for more details and / or exclude them from your trust list.

As a side node, the "talking through feedback" thing doesn't usually work out well. Personal messages might be a better option.

[MyBTT]

Why should we trust a newbie? Looking at his trust ratings, he has done less bad than good. So he should be kept at his trust.

[RayBrady]

I know how badly doog wants to post.

Doog is among the the most trusted users on this forum. If I won a million bucks gambling one night and had to choose one guy to hold it, it'd be dooglus. He'd be the last person to sell his account. The last to scam, the last to run off with gunds. He's an avid gambler himself, just because you see him gambling on a website, or have that website in his sig, he is not endorsing it.

If I have a Primedice sig in my profile, and Primedice runs off tomorrow, is it my fault? Did I encourage you to go to Primedice? Did I know it was a scam? To call dooglus a scammer is a joke imo.

[BayAreaCoins]

If you give dooglus Bitcoins and he is supposed to give them back... he's going to.

I do not think he should be removed from the DT, but I do think ppl should be warned about things he has a strong hold on because I do believe he would use his coding powers to bend your service over and fuck you in the ass. Little known fact and kinda a lols - Dogecoin got pwned by dooglus (again I can't bitch because we were sure that Nix and I's mining pool was on the right side of the fork... it actually helped us... I never asked doog if he did it on purpose to help us, but I kinda get the feeling dooglus doesn't "accidentally" add 0's on withdraws and I do thank him for that... he was good to me for a long time until JD filled up with loser cocksuckers.)

Just because I don't trust him in regards to that doesn't mean that I don't think he'd steal BTC directly.  He will def leave off details that will save his BTC, but lose your coins as seen in the exchange he built for the aussie and the dice sites that he processed his withdraw on hours prior to them robbing everyone else.  The dude is deceptive and smart as fuck... he's a poker player what do you expect?

My trust left for him is accurate and I'll try to find the Doog post of him saying that he told me.  I felt like I was told because Rat4 had pretty much ruined CLAM cheating the lotto and if he would have held his CLAM on the JD launched it would have fucked shit up... over all it was for the good of the whole and if you look at the CLAM market it obviously worked out in every ones favor.

Feel free to ask me anything and check my/doogs post history for more details.

[BayAreaCoins]

My trust list still consists of:

Dooglus, saltyspitoon, dognutz. (not including default trust)

and that is that.

As far as BTC goes and no coding included I'd trust all of them with over $1 million dollars if needed and I know they'd give it back.

I would NOT recommending trusting people because Dooglus trusts them.

[BayAreaCoins]

From what I can gather from the feedback he left on dooglus and others on the same day, it isn't that BAC doesn't trust dooglus it's that he doesn't like Clam. Therefore, he negative trusted some of the largest players involved (doog, SuperClam and xploited) to try and bring down the reputation of the coin. There is literally nothing negative said about dooglus in the feedback other than "he switched the site to a coin i dont like anymore and got a lot of it".

Wrong.  I owned more CLAM than Dooglus at JD launched (I owned 30% of the CLAM O/S at the time of launch) and I probably loved JD more than even Dooglus... you'll see Dooglus say this same thing in his past post history

Most of my friends own CLAM and I don't want to hurt their holdings.

The only person I truthfully just do not like and never did is SuperCLAM (AKA CreativeCLAM and whatever other accounts she's had).... Xploited blindly follows he for no reason which leads me to believe they are crooked together in regards to something that they aren't saying.

My trust for Xploited was because he didn't do what he said he was going to and left me with a site I paid thousands of dollars for it to work and it still was buggy (I told CreativeCLAM I hope she died during child birth and he didn't take to kindly to that fuck her and I stand by the comment... it'd be best for CLAM at this point IMO)

Who knows, if he gets tired of Bitcoin he might leave satoshi a neg for owning a lot of BTC.

 

It is because of digging petition.They are removing/removed it & I too think it is wrong to change it now just because some one is benefiting from it.
Edit : regardless of who is involved ,but bac's ratings are not wrong in some sense.

^ this ^

[Heutenamos]

I all ready said that its not hard to read BACoins thoughts & his reasons.

However, How deceiving it is to change the distribution thing when you see someone else is in the profit zone ? If you can change the foundation just to stop people to get ahead then you are definitely not trustworthy and have no integrity.

The honesty question is really a complex one.People will not run with your money/coins because of their reputation and it might bring their future business down or less benefiting (which will be far more then the amount they can scam by running ).However bac's has cleared this well enough.

Doog might/might not be involved but if you see from his point of view then why would a businessman be a social worker and work for people rather than benefiting for himself ? why should he not make millions by changing,being late in disclosing some basic things etc.. ? he is not a Messiah ,is he ?

But again nothing can be judged until it is proven that doog knew everything and then it will be untrustworthy of him but he will still return your coins loll.."it's like not feeling anything for the dead but not killing either".

[Blazed]

I do not see where he has abused his position at all? I would trust him with holding coins just like pretty much anyone else here. The whole CLAM thing...not sure and do not really care. I do not see how him being removed really changes things for the better here trust wise? If he were removed then they would probably need to add a new person with a good list setup.

[Warren Buffet]

And the answer to that is DT is a separate concept from the trust score. Your score does not impact the quality of your feedback.

What nonsense! Then why was QS removed from DT? It is the most ridiculous concept that -ve trust members can sit well in DT.

[mexxer-2]

And the answer to that is DT is a separate concept from the trust score. Your score does not impact the quality of your feedback.

What nonsense! Then why was QS removed from DT? It is the most ridiculous concept that -ve trust members can sit well in DT.

BB removed QS for faking a ban, and TC removed him for..... mayne is it a long story.

[Quickseller]

He absolutely should not be anywhere near DT, let alone on L1 Default Trust

Well personal feud is one thing, but once given a position in DT 1, probably for having a maintained trust list(IIRC CITM was given the position mostly because he had a big trust list, correct me if I am wrong) , being one of the "oldest member" and being regularly active, I believe it takes much much more than personal feud with another individual( BAC) to be removed from DT 1. Theymos even turned a blind eye when CITM began abusing his DT 1 position until it was too much and nearly all of the community(well the ones still in DT anyway) "decided" against having him on DT 1, after which he was removed(yeah read the whole thread, mayne was it long).
I wonder though, if BAC distrusts doog, why not remove him from his trust list as well?

Edit: Just realized, you knew all this 

Yes CITM was added to DT 1 because of his trust list, but also partially because of his very high trust score -- CITM's trust score was at the maximum and if you were to manually calculate it, his trust score was well above the maximum, although some of that was from people exclusively on his trust list.

Part of the reason why dooglus was added to DT 1 is because of his very high trust score, however this is no longer the case with his new negative trust. If you look at dooglus's trust list, then you will see how much of a joke it is, the majority of the people in dooglus's trust list are already in DT, and those that are not already in DT pretty much universally have zero trading experience, and have very little reason to be anywhere near DT. They also tend to leave negative trust based on speculation.

[dooglus]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3420

I think, a person with the following trust rating is not eligible to be on DT.

Trust:    1: -1 / +15

The way the trust system works is that a single negative by anyone high enough up resets your rating to zero. In my case BayAreaCoins left me a negative trust rating that is entirely undeserved because he was butthurt when I pointed out that his "clamchecker" site was charging fees incorrectly. Rather than fixing it he got mad. Then when I started paying attention to people asking the CLAM developers to consider doing something about the large amount of "CLAM digging" that was going on he went off the deep end with his paranoid ranting about the developers wanting to ban digging. At one point he went as far as saying that he wanted one of the developers to die in childbirth. The guy's just an asshole who has no business being in the default trust system at all. I removed him from my view of the trust system and guess that eventually others will come to the same conclusion that his ratings are worthless. When it first happened I considered PMing the others in DT1 and asking them to ~BayAreaCoins to fix the situation, but I don't think it's really worth bothering people with. I don't trade here and don't care what my trust rating is that much.

Shorena: It's true that I mentioned to BAC that I was working on getting Just-Dice working with the CLAM client a few weeks before it went live. I never made a secret of it, and was making lots of public pull requests to the CLAM git repository. It wouldn't have been hard to figure it out for anyone who was paying attention. As for my having lots of addresses to dig from JD and Doge-Dice, that's not the case. I had somewhere between 20 and 30 funded addresses from all my wallets in total, and got a little over 100 CLAMs from digging. I have always been very careful with my wallets, regularly sweeping coins into cold storage. I just randomly checked the JD hot wallet right now. There are 17 funded addresses in it. 8  of those contain faucet dust. So my very active hot wallet has 9 non-dust funded addresses right now. That's similar to how the hot BTC wallet used to be:

  "xJ9ApbTQsfJnqPc9GxPPszfZGAXTrcC713" : 17.72441707
  "xNjsbT6kLP3LyW9aR2DLMGdxJJJvAuJHpw" : 39.38004266
  "xBRE6bSNXgaf4NjqYpoDchth9B5ArqkvDB" : 48.33039541
  "xLhjtmranwzG6zm3JZ3bFaDNJKvLgCXTAH" : 78.30468981
  "xPRYSMnczKEhrb4Xx6hzY9vC1Dw2a1fR4A" : 107.81917395
  "xBuA6bdL34f8zyJDZtZWTop79Bg28RcTeh" : 184.52912759
  "xVEHfSmipES5HKvgRPof1bwdbzBS7HREVz" : 294.12728304
  "xKjyY4P4c9qwUmowjW3VVJPNvKEKZM1QWd" : 436.29586189
  "xJDCLAMZw7oNy2cUXAwnxbrkqyimL54zto" : 30593.76849031

QuickSeller is always going on about how I "endorsed" a couple of gambling sites that turned out to be scams. I always went to great lengths to say that I didn't know who ran them and that I didn't trust them. I was never anything but honest about my dealings with the sites. In both cases I was able to withdraw my deposit before they stopped allowing withdrawals. In both cases there were signs that something was wrong before the sites shut down, so it wasn't hard to get out if you were a little cautious, as I usually am. I think QS is pissed at me for some reason - maybe because I stood up to him when he was bullying tsp, but I don't know if that's really why. Recently he dug up some years old story about Just-Dice accepting deposits from TF's inputs.io site. Now I see he's saying I offered "incentives" for people to use it? That's not true at all, but happily he has lost pretty much any credibility he once had here anyway.

In short two trolls have been attacking me. Hopefully anyone with a little intelligence can see it for what it is.

I only just found this thread after RayBrady mentioned it in the bustabit trollbox. Thanks for bringing it to my attention Ray. I think.

Note: I only just skimmed the thread and answered the main points that stuck in my mind. I didn't want to do my usual trick of quoting every point and addressing it. If I missed anything important I'm happy to reply to it, but I'm kind of sick of going over the same old stuff again and again.

[BayAreaCoins]

The way the trust system works is that a single negative by anyone high enough up resets your rating to zero. In my case BayAreaCoins left me a negative trust rating that is entirely undeserved because he was butthurt when I pointed out that his "clamchecker" site was charging fees incorrectly.

Wrong.  My fee was correct and I do feel it was deserved.  

You began trolling my service because you were butthurt because the CLAM market was grossly inflated and I wasn't bowing to King of Clamcoin to make MY site how the King of Clamcoin wanted it.  

Time told the truth in regards to this anyways (look at the price charts.)  

You were trying to keep a grossly inflated market for your and others "profits"... same with yours and others want to remove digging at one point.

Rather than fixing it he got mad. Then when I started paying attention to people asking the CLAM developers to consider doing something about the large amount of "CLAM digging" that was going on he went off the deep end with his paranoid ranting about the developers wanting to ban digging.

There was nothing to fix and for a period of time my site was the most profitable way to dig CLAM.  It was at that point the heat was really turned up on changing the core distribution of CLAM.  

You trolled my service and refused to correct misinformation that you posted about my service and I because it was for the "good" of the diggers and community, but not once did you ever recommend the service when it was most profitable.  

You obviously had a issue with me... which is totally fine.

At one point he went as far as saying that he wanted one of the developers to die in childbirth.

Yep I did.  I mentioned this in a early post in this thread.

Fuck her.  

I did however say I hoped the kiddo made it.  *pats self on back* (Note: She successfully had her kid and lived through it despite my wants... yay...)

The guy's just an asshole who has no business being in the default trust system at all.

Some would argue the same for you.  Being an asshole doesn't make you untrustworthy.  I've done tens of thousands of dollars of deals in your chatrooms flawlessly and plenty of trades here on this very forum that people can reference.

If I ever made a mistake (such as selling troy ounces weighed at 28.1 grams) I always went back and corrected them for my customer.  I've held guns for months for people whom purchased them from me while abroad and delivered as agreed upon their return.

I never asked to be on the DT here and there isn't free cookies or punch that come with it either.  I just do what I'm supposed to and what I think is the right thing to do.  I don't know if the same can be said for you entirely.

When it first happened I considered PMing the others in DT1 and asking them to ~BayAreaCoins to fix the situation, but I don't think it's really worth bothering people with.

~ me all you want, but anyone who has done business with me or dealt with me face to face would be a smuck to listen to you.

In fact a large number of your large "investors" now days purchase their first CLAM from me.

I don't trade here and don't care what my trust rating is that much.

A immigrant and his x-trucker GF don't need to do much trading when they have milked people six ways from Sunday... I guess I'll count my lucky stars.

Shorena: It's true that I mentioned to BAC that I was working on getting Just-Dice working with the CLAM client a few weeks before it went live.

I was the only one you mentioned it directly... not even Deb. (or so you said at one point)

You also passed me Rat4s dox in order for me to acquire the coins that I did due to him robbing Clamcoin blind through the rigged lottery system.

You also took a 50% fee from me for staking my coins prior to JD launch and then felt obligated to troll my service when we were the most profitable way for the community to earn Bitcoins from their free Clamcoins.

My trust left for you is accurate... I still don't think you need to be removed from the DT list as stated in a earlier post on this thread.

[BayAreaCoins]

I only just found this thread after RayBrady mentioned it in the bustabit trollbox. Thanks for bringing it to my attention Ray. I think.

I thought I had pm'ed this thread to you on JD... perhaps I thought of it and didn't actually do it.

My bad.

[Heutenamos]

If you give dooglus Bitcoins and he is supposed to give them back... he's going to.

I do not think he should be removed from the DT, but I do think ppl should be warned about things he has a strong hold on because I do believe he would use his coding powers to bend your service over and fuck you in the ass.

When it first happened I considered PMing the others in DT1 and asking them to ~BayAreaCoins to fix the situation,

Lol I am amazed to see this response from you dude.Lets assume if someone is accusing falsely then you simply ask others to ignore or remove him from DT but wont shed some light on the accusation ? particularly when the person accusing is not a newbie or some typical spammer here to earn money.This is hilarious and unexpected.

Removing him doesn't Fixes the situation.

The the main plot in BAC's ratings is just a warning and to be cautious with you, but not to remove you from DT ,you are a scammer,you should be punished etc..But you appear to have an exact opposite behavior by calling him an asshole etc..

So when it first happens you simply PM others to remove him but all the clam problems is suddenly equal to shit and all you care is about the ratings...Not Cool dude.

In short two trolls have been attacking me. Hopefully anyone with a little intelligence can see it for what it is.

How is that an attack when none of them made this thread or any other appeal ? Do you mean the OP is one of their alt's ?

[Rizky Aditya]

Isn't dooglus the guy behind Prime Dice?

If so then he is one of the most trusted members of the community?

I am not sure, but if he is the guy behind primedice, then he deserves the rank that he is on. Not neutral trust.

[BayAreaCoins]

Isn't dooglus the guy behind Prime Dice?

If so then he is one of the most trusted members of the community?

I am not sure, but if he is the guy behind primedice, then he deserves the rank that he is on. Not neutral trust.

No. 

Stunna owns Prime Dice last I checked. 

[helloeverybody]

Not to derail thread but can anyone tell me how much default trust you need to get into dft1? Or is it just more of a case of who you know? I havent been able to find anything on how you actually get in.

[mexxer-2]

Isn't dooglus the guy behind Prime Dice?

If so then he is one of the most trusted members of the community?

I am not sure, but if he is the guy behind primedice, then he deserves the rank that he is on. Not neutral trust.

No.  

Stunna owns Prime Dice last I checked.  

Don't mind him, he's a sig spammer, necroing , posting "answers" and is a bought account.
Now that I've gone OT

Not to derail thread but can anyone tell me how much default trust you need to get into dft1? Or is it just more of a case of who you know? I havent been able to find anything on how you actually get in.

There is no "limit" for getting into DT 1, theymos chooses who goes in there. DefaultTrust is an bot(account) run by theymos, and only he can insert someone on its trust list

[Bardman]

I only just found this thread after RayBrady mentioned it in the bustabit trollbox. Thanks for bringing it to my attention Ray. I think.

I thought I had pm'ed this thread to you on JD... perhaps I thought of it and didn't actually do it.

My bad.

I read your fight with dooglus but I don't seem to find your evidence and proofs of what you are accusing him of: ''Ditched Bitcoin Just-Dice because he'd earn more Bitcoins on Just-Dice through shitcoins that he'd corned the market on. Now that there is a BIG digger and doog no longer has a corner on the market... they are pushing for core changes on CLAM to remove digging all together. Stinks to high hell IMO. ''

You said that however you never provided any link, reference or something more than just your word, that's why he only has your negative. Would you mind telling us more?

[dooglus]

When it first happened I considered PMing the others in DT1 and asking them to ~BayAreaCoins to fix the situation,

Lol I am amazed to see this response from you dude.Lets assume if someone is accusing falsely then you simply ask others to ignore or remove him from DT but wont shed some light on the accusation ? particularly when the person accusing is not a newbie or some typical spammer here to earn money.This is hilarious and unexpected.

I saw the feedback, immediately realised it was nothing more than retaliation for my negative comments about his clamdigger fees and/or for me encouraging discussion re. the future of CLAM, and figured everyone else would see it the same way.

It never occurred to me that anyone would take his feedback seriously.

Let's go through it and see if it has any merit as a negative trust feedback. There are 5 paragraphs:

Gave me insider information of Just-Dice reopening with something called Clamcoin that allowed us to acquire a large amount of the "most fairly distributed crypto ever" before pushing it to the ignorant public.

1/5: It's true. I mentioned that I was working on getting the CLAM client ready for use with Just-Dice in the course of a conversation with him. It wasn't a secret. I would have told anyone who asked what I was working on. My work was all published to github in real time for anyone to see anyway.

No telling what percentage of the network was owned by Doog and I alone.

2/5: I could figure it out if anyone cares. I had less than you, but more than most. I don't think anyone would open a dice site that only accepts a currency they have no interest in.

Dooglus is very very smart and you'd never know if he got one over on you generally.

3/5: I'm not sure what to say about this. Is being smart a bad thing?

Ditched Bitcoin Just-Dice because he'd earn more Bitcoins on Just-Dice through shitcoins that he'd corned the market on. Now that there is a BIG digger and doog no longer has a corner on the market... they are pushing for core changes on CLAM to remove digging all together. Stinks to high hell IMO.

4/5: This isn't true. Just-Dice for BTC was making far more than Just-Dice for CLAM has ever made. I switched to CLAM from BTC because I wanted to downsize. Just-Dice for BTC was stupidly huge. I was holding over $60 million worth of BTC in my house at one point, and hated the responsibility of having to look after so much of other people's money. If I was in it for the money wouldn't I have run sites for both BTC and CLAM at the same time? Or maybe just kept the $60 million?

I've never seen any CLAM developer pushing to remove digging. I was attempting to allow an open discussion of possibilities. That seems like a good thing to me, not something to complain about. We ended up putting it to a 'vote' of sorts, and it appears there is no consensus to change anything - and so nothing has been changed.

Dooglus has a very good history of giving people back their coins though I will say that. I saw him return over 60,000 BTC to rightful owners.

5/5: This also seems like a good thing.

So in summary the "negative" feedback appears to consist of:

1. He talks to his friends.
2. The currency he accepts on his dice site is the one he is most interested in.
3. He is smart.
4. He didn't like being responsible for too much of other people's money, and fostered community discussion of ways to improve CLAM.
5. He is honest.

Given this, I don't see how the feedback is "negative", and can only assume the intent was to damage my reputation.

Removing him doesn't Fixes the situation.

It depends how you see "the situation".

The situation as I see it is my reputation goes to zero because of a single 'negative' feedback. He left similar negative feedback for the other CLAM developers too. Removing him from DT2 would fix that situation.

The the main plot in BAC's ratings is just a warning and to be cautious with you, but not to remove you from DT ,you are a scammer,you should be punished etc..But you appear to have an exact opposite behavior by calling him an asshole etc..

I think the main point of his feedback was to damage my reputation because he didn't like that I was trying to have a discussion with the CLAM community about possible reactions to the large CLAM digger.

So when it first happens you simply PM others to remove him but all the clam problems is suddenly equal to shit and all you care is about the ratings...Not Cool dude.

I didn't PM anyone. I just let it slide and figured most other people would see the feedback for what it is.

In short two trolls have been attacking me. Hopefully anyone with a little intelligence can see it for what it is.

How is that an attack when none of them made this thread or any other appeal ? Do you mean the OP is one of their alt's ?

I think leaving someone unjustified negative feedback is an attack. Especially when you see how the forum trust system works. A single 'respected' negative cancels all previous positives.

And QS trolls me all over the place. But let's not give him any more attention than he deserves.

Not to derail thread but can anyone tell me how much default trust you need to get into dft1? Or is it just more of a case of who you know? I havent been able to find anything on how you actually get in.

I have no idea how it worked. I never asked to be added to DT, and didn't even know I had been added for a while. There was no welcome message or anything of the sort.

[justspare]

You can't just go around this forum like you own it. So stop bossing people around.

[BayAreaCoins]

Ok lets go through doogs post.  Doog I've got to be as fucking sick of answering these fucking posts as you and the only reason I came to this fucking thread is because someone PM'ed me asking if I would (not QS).

Gave me insider information of Just-Dice reopening with something called Clamcoin that allowed us to acquire a large amount of the "most fairly distributed crypto ever" before pushing it to the ignorant public.

1/5: It's true. I mentioned that I was working on getting the CLAM client ready for use with Just-Dice in the course of a conversation with him. It wasn't a secret. I would have told anyone who asked what I was working on. My work was all published to github in real time for anyone to see anyway.

I didn't ask dooglus what he was working on or anything of the sort.  He approached me.  I had no knowledge of his github shit until he told me directly.  I do not save chat logs and have no way of proving this besides my word.

No telling what percentage of the network was owned by Doog and I alone.

2/5: I could figure it out if anyone cares. I had less than you, but more than most. I don't think anyone would open a dice site that only accepts a currency they have no interest in.

There is no telling what percentage of the network was owned by the two of us.  I'd love to hear and I'll adjust my feedback accordingly.

Dooglus showed his deception to hid his CLAM stack by slowly leaking his investment into JD in order to appear more fair.  He encouraged me to do the same (or so it felt to me).  I was firm about requesting all my coins in order to invest without being deceptive about how many coins I had.  Dooglus did gave me my coins.  I then told people that I purchased the coins because of watching Doogs posts and the Github stuff in order to try to keep some heat off Dooglus.

Dooglus is very very smart and you'd never know if he got one over on you generally.

3/5: I'm not sure what to say about this. Is being smart a bad thing?

Nope it's a fine thing.

4/5: This isn't true. Just-Dice for BTC was making far more than Just-Dice for CLAM has ever made. I switched to CLAM from BTC because I wanted to downsize. Just-Dice for BTC was stupidly huge. I was holding over $60 million worth of BTC in my house at one point, and hated the responsibility of having to look after so much of other people's money. If I was in it for the money wouldn't I have run sites for both BTC and CLAM at the same time? Or maybe just kept the $60 million?

I've never seen any CLAM developer pushing to remove digging. I was attempting to allow an open discussion of possibilities. That seems like a good thing to me, not something to complain about. We ended up putting it to a 'vote' of sorts, and it appears there is no consensus to change anything - and so nothing has been changed.

JD right now has a large max bet than it ever did when it was Bitcoin.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Just-Dice

This wiki isn't correct about the max.  The max bet for a 50,000 BTC bankroll  was 250 BTC.  When JD first launched it was 1%, but the site got raped 10,000+ Bitcoins and Dooglus freaked out a bit.

Right now the max bet is  583.51938 BTC.  The only reason JD isn't earning more now via CLAM is because Dooglus doesn't have as many crooked FBI Agents and others of that sort playing there via CLAM (yet!) 

I've never seen any CLAM developer pushing to remove digging. I was attempting to allow an open discussion of possibilities. That seems like a good thing to me, not something to complain about. We ended up putting it to a 'vote' of sorts, and it appears there is no consensus to change anything - and so nothing has been changed.

I have during times of large diggers and my website being used by individuals... it is much quieter now that both of those "problems" are gone.

Dooglus has a very good history of giving people back their coins though I will say that. I saw him return over 60,000 BTC to rightful owners.

5/5: This also seems like a good thing.

Yep if dooglus knows that you'd know directly and it would require him to look over his shoulder... you'll get your shit back.

It is a good thing.

I think leaving someone unjustified negative feedback is an attack. Especially when you see how the forum trust system works. A single 'respected' negative cancels all previous positives.

I'll adjust my feedback and break down the negatives and the positives because obviously that is bothering you. 

I thought I could kill a few birds with one post and highlight the good, bad and the ugly, but obviously that isn't ok.  I'll fix it right after this post.

I have no idea how it worked. I never asked to be added to DT, and didn't even know I had been added for a while. There was no welcome message or anything of the sort.

No free cookies or punch either.

[BayAreaCoins]

I'll adjust my feedback and break down the negatives and the positives because obviously that is bothering you. 

I thought I could kill a few birds with one post and highlight the good, bad and the ugly, but obviously that isn't ok.  I'll fix it right after this post.

Feedback updated and split up.

Feel free to update your feedback left with me.

[justspare]

I still don't understand why you want Dooglas to be taken off DT. He hasn't done anything wrong.

[dooglus]

Ok lets go through doogs post.  Doog I've got to be as fucking sick of answering these fucking posts as you

Yeah, I'm torn between replying to defend myself and just letting it go.

I'll just reply to the max-proft-and-FBI bit, because that's curious to me...

JD right now has a large max bet than it ever did when it was Bitcoin.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Just-Dice

This wiki isn't correct about the max.  The max bet for a 50,000 BTC bankroll  was 250 BTC.  When JD first launched it was 1%, but the site got raped 10,000+ Bitcoins and Dooglus freaked out a bit.

True. We started out having investors risk up to 1% of their coins per bet, and dropped it to 0.25% when the first whale started knocking the bankroll around. I put it back up to 0.5% a few days later and that's where it has stayed ever since. But then I came up with the idea of "offsite investments", in a failed attempt to encourage people to take the majority of their coins offsite and stake them for themselves. It didn't work, and seems to have done nothing other than causing an arms race where everyone has to either take stupid risks or get left behind. I'll be reducing the maximum offsite multiplier over the next few weeks I think to address this problem.

Right now the max bet is  583.51938 BTC.

The maximum profit, that is. And only if you use the current price. You wouldn't be able to actually get 500 BTC if you won the maximum profit, due to slippage. There just isn't enough demand for CLAM to be able to sell that many of them very quickly.

The only reason JD isn't earning more now via CLAM is because Dooglus doesn't have as many crooked FBI Agents and others of that sort playing there via CLAM (yet!) 

That's an odd thing to say, and is the first I've heard about it. Can you fill me in on any details?

I'm pretty sure that the reason the CLAM site earns less than the BTC site is because CLAM is relatively unknown compared to BTC, and has a much lower total value. That's why I switched to using it, to keep things smaller. CLAM is smaller than BTC by several orders of magnitude: BTC is worth billions while CLAM is worth millions.

[BayAreaCoins]

Ok lets go through doogs post.  Doog I've got to be as fucking sick of answering these fucking posts as you

Yeah, I'm torn between replying to defend myself and just letting it go.

Yep I feel ya... I've felt that way since you started busting my balls about my service being priced accurately.

True. We started out having investors risk up to 1% of their coins per bet, and dropped it to 0.25% when the first whale started knocking the bankroll around. I put it back up to 0.5% a few days later and that's where it has stayed ever since. But then I came up with the idea of "offsite investments", in a failed attempt to encourage people to take the majority of their coins offsite and stake them for themselves. It didn't work, and seems to have done nothing other than causing an arms race where everyone has to either take stupid risks or get left behind. I'll be reducing the maximum offsite multiplier over the next few weeks I think to address this problem.

I made a honest effort to explain to you that the offsite would not decentralize the network or do anything that you thought it would do.

I knew it would start a arms race because I was one of the first to fire the 100x leverage shot and had the full intentions on doing so right when I first heard the leverage plan.

The maximum profit, that is. And only if you use the current price. You wouldn't be able to actually get 500 BTC if you won the maximum profit, due to slippage.

There is no slippage with limit orders.  

Right now if someone hit the current max bet twice... a market order would completely drain the Bitcoins out of Poloniex.  (441916.34082813 Clamcoins are in line to be purchased on the bid)

The only reason JD isn't earning more now via CLAM is because Dooglus doesn't have as many crooked FBI Agents and others of that sort playing there via CLAM (yet!)  

That's an odd thing to say, and is the first I've heard about it. Can you fill me in on any details?

Give me a bit and I'll find the links.

I'm not saying it as a bad thing on your end or anything like that, but it does effect profit and play.

I'm pretty sure that the reason the CLAM site earns less than the BTC site is because CLAM is relatively unknown compared to BTC

Agree to a point.

and has a much lower total value.

Dogecoin had a much lower value than BTC, but we were blowing other Bitcoin sites asses out of the water earning wise with Doge-Dice for a period of time.

That's why I switched to using it, to keep things smaller. CLAM is smaller than BTC by several orders of magnitude: BTC is worth billions while CLAM is worth millions.

Ya CLAM as I understood it was supposed to be a fun free way for people to come try the site and hang out.  

It really lost that feeling when my "friend" started bashing me in public, ignoring me, not listing my CLAM faucets sites that enabled players (or giving me a reason why not), talking mad shit about me, banning me from the chat and a number of other shitty standoffish pussy moves you made (similar to how you did DrFred).

Everything I did was to try to help grow JD (even and especially ClamChecker) to what I thought it could be and that was met by strong resistance from you because I guess you wanted it small and near worthless.  

My bad.

My biggest mistake was raining thousands of Clamcoin in the troll box... I didn't think it would attract the Dogecoin crowd who already got my mod privileges revoked a year prior for stand up for "good" people. (Chuck, Evil-Dragon and that shitty broke group, but really they go well with keeping the website small and near worthless... I understand why you like them now after months of thinking it over)

[Heutenamos]

Removing him from DT2 would fix that situation.

NO,People cant be simply removed because they are uncomfortable to someone or a particular group or an altcoin.The reason for the trust system to be opinion based or to be perceptional in a way is for this.

Lets assume a situation where a scammer convinced a DT fellow and managed to get some green score and in that case he is trusted but is he actually trustworthy ? NO. This problem will be solved or the most convincing answer is when people with multiple interests ,opinions and experiences are put into DT and allowed to give ratings according to their point of views and thus the scammer would definitely fail to convince more than a couple DT guys and eventually gets a negative ,which proves that he is deceiving in someone's* point of view.

A typical trusted guy/escrow is trusted by several people and thus it means that the person is vouched by different backgrounds(let it be coding, detectives ,altcoins ,trading etc. ) and has proven himself to some extent.Excluding exceptions.

I didn't PM anyone. I just let it slide and figured most other people would see the feedback for what it is.

But, you said you considered to do so and that is something i wouldn't have expected from you.
 

And QS trolls me all over the place. But let's not give him any more attention than he deserves.

Yes,I think he also did some digging for you.He is a digger too ..loll


*Now this guy can be abusing for sure and the solution for this is definitely not easy if not complex.It could only be resolved when all the evidence's are clear and obviously are confirmed by someone trusted not by simply removing him from DT,of course not.

Why do the extremely skilled hackers get paid fucking high $$$ ? because of their abilities to detect problems or scams/hacks. Doog' if you simple ask him to be removed then you are not defending the right way.

[michnelli6]

Well, not sure of my input is needed or not, but I played on just-dice which is owner by doog and everything was flient, I trust him. If he closes his site , then why you worry guys ? ( those who says he ditch just-dice with btc )

[GermanGiant]

Well, not sure of my input is needed or not, but I played on just-dice which is owner by doog and everything was flient, I trust him. If he closes his site , then why you worry guys ? ( those who says he ditch just-dice with btc )

Whether dooglus should or should not be on DT has nothing to do with how he runs just-dice. The concerned periphery of DT is restricted to BitcoinTalk.

[Bill Gates]

The people you request to be removed from Default Trust in meta, are those on level one that Theymos has control over. If you want someone removed from Default Trust depth 2, 3, etc, you just have to convince those that have added that person to their trust list. (I mean you can post in meta, people have been doing so all along, though I'm not sure why)

Not sure why u made this statement in this thread out of the blue. dooglus is in DT 1 and hence I posted this thread in Meta. Also, I dont think, anyone is bothered about people in DT 3.

[SaltySpitoon]

Not sure why u made this statement in this thread out of the blue. dooglus is in DT 1 and hence I posted this thread in Meta. Also, I dont think, anyone is bothered about people in DT 3.

hehe, I had my mouse over Dooglus' name when I was looking at the trust list. Saw him in Depth 2 instead of depth 1. I shall delete my prior post and this one as well if you would like. My bad.