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June 07, 2011, 05:52:43 PM
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...from a seller with a reference or two. First go at it. Thanks for any help.
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June 07, 2011, 05:54:55 PM
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Good luck with that.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

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June 07, 2011, 05:56:53 PM
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Good luck with that.

WU is actually foolproof, just send the BTC once his money clears at the office and the money is in your hands.

PayPal on the other hand... Total shit due to chargebacks.

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June 07, 2011, 06:03:30 PM
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Good luck with that.

WU is actually foolproof, just send the BTC once his money clears at the office and the money is in your hands.

PayPal on the other hand... Total shit due to chargebacks.

WU is not foolproof.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

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June 07, 2011, 06:08:42 PM
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Thanks for the help creighto.

I have already considered paypal to probably not work but as I am obviously new I was "putting it out there" for feedback. Anything else constructive to say?

How might western union not work? I am willing to send funds and wait for them to clear/be collected before receiving BTC.


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June 07, 2011, 06:15:32 PM
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I've been scammed with WU before, I said it was not foolproof, not that it couldn't work.  If you can find a seller willing to drop his anonimity in order to sell you bitcoins via WU, you should be suspicious if s/he doesn't charge you at least a small premium.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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June 07, 2011, 06:19:17 PM
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Thank you for your prompt help!

Can you suggest a method? I am flexible and willing to extend a bit of good faith for someone with a history of good transactions. I too would much prefer to preserve my anonymity.
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June 07, 2011, 06:23:25 PM
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Thank you for your prompt help!

Can you suggest a method? I am flexible and willing to extend a bit of good faith for someone with a history of good transactions. I too would much prefer to preserve my anonymity.

Cash in person is ideal, if you live in a major urban area.  If you can find a seller near you, arrange a meeting at a coffehouse with a wifi hotspot; and bring your laptop.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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June 07, 2011, 06:24:26 PM
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Also, the OTC trade bot on bitcoin's IRC channel might be worth a look.  I've never used it myself, but I understand it gets quite a bit of traffic.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

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June 07, 2011, 07:07:07 PM
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I've been scammed with WU before, I said it was not foolproof, not that it couldn't work.  If you can find a seller willing to drop his anonimity in order to sell you bitcoins via WU, you should be suspicious if s/he doesn't charge you at least a small premium.

How? Sender gives you password, you withdraw dollar or euro bills at your local WU depo.

When money is physically in your hands and you go home, send BTC to the guy who sent you WU.

Nobody can take it away from you and it can't be fake money because it comes from the local Western Union, not the sender himself.

If money doesn't arrive, don't send BTC.

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June 07, 2011, 07:36:33 PM
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I've been scammed with WU before, I said it was not foolproof, not that it couldn't work.  If you can find a seller willing to drop his anonimity in order to sell you bitcoins via WU, you should be suspicious if s/he doesn't charge you at least a small premium.

How? Sender gives you password, you withdraw dollar or euro bills at your local WU depo.

When money is physically in your hands and you go home, send BTC to the guy who sent you WU.

Nobody can take it away from you and it can't be fake money because it comes from the local Western Union, not the sender himself.

If money doesn't arrive, don't send BTC.

I'd be interested in knowing how you were scammed by WU also. I have done a lot of WU and would like
to know this for future reference, To protect myself.

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June 07, 2011, 07:40:20 PM
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I would say Lindens if you have a Second Life account, or some other form of in game currency that you can buy.

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June 07, 2011, 07:48:02 PM
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I've been scammed with WU before, I said it was not foolproof, not that it couldn't work.  If you can find a seller willing to drop his anonimity in order to sell you bitcoins via WU, you should be suspicious if s/he doesn't charge you at least a small premium.

How? Sender gives you password, you withdraw dollar or euro bills at your local WU depo.

When money is physically in your hands and you go home, send BTC to the guy who sent you WU.

Nobody can take it away from you and it can't be fake money because it comes from the local Western Union, not the sender himself.

If money doesn't arrive, don't send BTC.

I'd be interested in knowing how you were scammed by WU also. I have done a lot of WU and would like
to know this for future reference, To protect myself.

It was decades ago, and was partly due to my own stupidity.  I don't doubt that they have improved the system since, but I don't know because I don't use them.  I'd rather not discuss the errors of my youth.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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June 07, 2011, 07:57:54 PM
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I've been scammed with WU before, I said it was not foolproof, not that it couldn't work.  If you can find a seller willing to drop his anonimity in order to sell you bitcoins via WU, you should be suspicious if s/he doesn't charge you at least a small premium.

How? Sender gives you password, you withdraw dollar or euro bills at your local WU depo.

When money is physically in your hands and you go home, send BTC to the guy who sent you WU.

Nobody can take it away from you and it can't be fake money because it comes from the local Western Union, not the sender himself.

If money doesn't arrive, don't send BTC.

I'd be interested in knowing how you were scammed by WU also. I have done a lot of WU and would like
to know this for future reference, To protect myself.

It was decades ago, and was partly due to my own stupidity.  I don't doubt that they have improved the system since, but I don't know because I don't use them.  I'd rather not discuss the errors of my youth.

I get what your sayin,  Wink If I could only take back my mistakes and errors in judgment as a youth, I'd be rich and happy.  Grin

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June 07, 2011, 08:07:37 PM
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I've been scammed with WU before, I said it was not foolproof, not that it couldn't work.  If you can find a seller willing to drop his anonimity in order to sell you bitcoins via WU, you should be suspicious if s/he doesn't charge you at least a small premium.

How? Sender gives you password, you withdraw dollar or euro bills at your local WU depo.

When money is physically in your hands and you go home, send BTC to the guy who sent you WU.

Nobody can take it away from you and it can't be fake money because it comes from the local Western Union, not the sender himself.

If money doesn't arrive, don't send BTC.

I'd be interested in knowing how you were scammed by WU also. I have done a lot of WU and would like
to know this for future reference, To protect myself.

It was decades ago, and was partly due to my own stupidity.  I don't doubt that they have improved the system since, but I don't know because I don't use them.  I'd rather not discuss the errors of my youth.

The only way a Western Union payment can be reversed, is when you do not go to pick it up at the WU agent.
After 60 days unclaimed, the funds are returned to the sender.

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June 07, 2011, 08:20:58 PM
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Good luck with that.

WU is actually foolproof, just send the BTC once his money clears at the office and the money is in your hands.

PayPal on the other hand... Total shit due to chargebacks.

WU is not foolproof.

WU is the other way around.

I can tell some chump to WU me $1500 for some bitcoins and not send them and he has no recourse at all.

using paypal for the last 5 years, at least you can call them up and let them know what happened.  Show proof that you upheld your end and I'm pretty sure they'd give you your money back.  There's no way paypal just accepts bad press that people can pay for things and then get their money refunded while keeping whatever they bought.
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June 07, 2011, 08:22:53 PM
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Good luck with that.

WU is actually foolproof, just send the BTC once his money clears at the office and the money is in your hands.

PayPal on the other hand... Total shit due to chargebacks.

WU is not foolproof.

WU is the other way around.

I can tell some chump to WU me $1500 for some bitcoins and not send them and he has no recourse at all.

using paypal for the last 5 years, at least you can call them up and let them know what happened.  Show proof that you upheld your end and I'm pretty sure they'd give you your money back.

Um, no.  Call them up and complain that your bitcoin trade was charged back and they will cancel your account for violation of their policy rules.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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June 07, 2011, 08:24:53 PM
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Have you ever tried calling western union?

LOL.. They give absolutely no fuck at all.  They will help somebody steal your money and take their cut happily.
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June 07, 2011, 08:29:14 PM
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Have you ever tried calling western union?

LOL.. They give absolutely no fuck at all.  They will help somebody steal your money and take their cut happily.

That's bullshit. Payments must not be reversible. Who is more possible end being a scammer ?
An established, well rated, well known seller or trader, or one of his many customers ?


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June 07, 2011, 09:05:35 PM
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I'm coming from  the angle of having 350 positive ebay feedbacks linked to my probably 400+ transaction paypal account... which I could only get 4btc with while they were $8.50 each.  I get kind of insulted when I'm treated like I'm going to scam somebody.

Nothing personal.
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