Bitcoin Forum
November 15, 2024, 09:47:34 AM *
News: Check out the artwork 1Dq created to commemorate this forum's 15th anniversary
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: [1] 2 »  All
  Print  
Author Topic: Upcoming Puerto Rican bankruptcy:Any impact on Bitcoin?  (Read 1095 times)
tyz (OP)
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3360
Merit: 1533



View Profile
December 31, 2015, 01:45:03 PM
 #1

It is very likely that Puerto Rico will be officially bankrupt on 1st January 2016.
Does it have any impact on Bitcoin and/or crypto currencies?
What do you think?
jaysabi
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2044
Merit: 1115


★777Coin.com★ Fun BTC Casino!


View Profile
December 31, 2015, 03:41:33 PM
 #2

I think the better question is what would make you think it would? (That's an "no" from me).

Also, we have to accept that PR will even go bankrupt. Since so many PR bonds are held by institutional U.S. investors because of the advantageous tax status of them, a PR bankruptcy would create ripples across the U.S. financial system which may not be small. A default may be more likely than a bankruptcy, and a default would create political pressure for some type of bailout. I personally don't think a bankruptcy is likely.

But in any event, bankruptcy or not, I don't expect PR to move the Bitcoin needle at all.

tyz (OP)
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3360
Merit: 1533



View Profile
December 31, 2015, 04:07:29 PM
 #3

Interesting opinion. I did some research. I do not believe in an significant impact, too.

I think that the russian inflation (12.6% this year, higher inflation expected in 2016) will have a much stronger impact.
jaysabi
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2044
Merit: 1115


★777Coin.com★ Fun BTC Casino!


View Profile
December 31, 2015, 04:15:20 PM
 #4

That's a good point. I think anywhere there is considerable inflation, people will be more open to alternative stores of value like Bitcoin. On the other hand, Bitcoin is also extremely volatile compared to the Russian currency, so it's not as if holding Bitcoin is necessarily less risky. Bitcoin can (and frequently does) drop 12 percent in a week, sometimes even a day. That makes a 12% annual inflation rate look stable by comparison. High inflation may move some folks to experiment with Bitcoin, but the risk is high enough that I wouldn't expect mass adoption because of it unless the inflation rate was out of control.

Z00
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 30
Merit: 0


View Profile
December 31, 2015, 05:08:49 PM
 #5

According to a newspaper, Puerto Rican bankruptcy would be the 4th biggest in the history. The country has got 70 billion USD debt.
mobnepal
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1218
Merit: 1006


View Profile
December 31, 2015, 06:14:06 PM
 #6

According to a newspaper, Puerto Rican bankruptcy would be the 4th biggest in the history. The country has got 70 billion USD debt.
That may impact in other assets or doesn't impact any at all. But that couldn't have any relation with bitcoin and its price.
darkangel11
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2478
Merit: 1360

Don't let others control your BTC -> self custody


View Profile
December 31, 2015, 06:51:15 PM
 #7

If they go bankrupt there should be no impact. If they decide to widen their acceptance of Bitcoin, the impact will be huge.
fricircled
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 201
Merit: 100


View Profile
January 10, 2016, 04:10:45 PM
 #8

According to a newspaper, Puerto Rican bankruptcy would be the 4th biggest in the history. The country has got 70 billion USD debt.

It is Jan 10 2016, nothing happened to the Puerto Rican. So the bankruptcy has been avoided or delayed.
tyz (OP)
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3360
Merit: 1533



View Profile
January 10, 2016, 06:00:29 PM
 #9

Yes, the bankruptsy is delayed because the country has still some reserves to pay the bonds. It is expected that the country will be bankrupt within the next weekss.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/08/insurers-ambac-assured-throw-latest-punch-in-pr-fight.html

According to a newspaper, Puerto Rican bankruptcy would be the 4th biggest in the history. The country has got 70 billion USD debt.

It is Jan 10 2016, nothing happened to the Puerto Rican. So the bankruptcy has been avoided or delayed.
Pab
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1862
Merit: 1012


View Profile
January 10, 2016, 08:03:50 PM
 #10

Deleyed Puerto  Rico  bankruptcy
You will even not to see that in the newsJP Morgan bankruptcy can be much better

 
                                . ██████████.
                              .████████████████.
                           .██████████████████████.
                        -█████████████████████████████
                     .██████████████████████████████████.
                  -█████████████████████████████████████████
               -███████████████████████████████████████████████
           .-█████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
        .████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
       .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       ..████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████..
       .   .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       .      .████████████████████████████████████████████████.

       .       .██████████████████████████████████████████████
       .    ██████████████████████████████████████████████████████
       .█████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
        .███████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
           .█████████████████████████████████████████████████████
              .████████████████████████████████████████████████
                   ████████████████████████████████████████
                      ██████████████████████████████████
                          ██████████████████████████
                             ████████████████████
                               ████████████████
                                   █████████
.CryptoTalk.org.|.MAKE POSTS AND EARN BTC!.🏆
jaysabi
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2044
Merit: 1115


★777Coin.com★ Fun BTC Casino!


View Profile
January 10, 2016, 11:02:52 PM
 #11

There is a legitimate question as to whether Puerto Rico can even declare bankruptcy. It has already defaulted, but that's not the same as bankruptcy, which is a court action.

countryfree
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3066
Merit: 1047

Your country may be your worst enemy


View Profile
January 10, 2016, 11:48:10 PM
 #12

I can't imagine anything happening in Puerto Rico having an effect outside of Puerto Rico. Just look at Greece: it was huge drama for the Greeks, but nothing changed in Germany or in the rest of Europe. Where's Puerto Rico, by the way? I forgot.

I used to be a citizen and a taxpayer. Those days are long gone.
nonbody
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 826
Merit: 501


2local[IEO] - https://2local.io/


View Profile
January 11, 2016, 12:00:59 AM
 #13

No, just small islamd.I doubt they have any legit bitcoin business there.
I can't imagine anything happening in Puerto Rico having an effect outside of Puerto Rico. Just look at Greece: it was huge drama for the Greeks, but nothing changed in Germany or in the rest of Europe. Where's Puerto Rico, by the way? I forgot.
google for you! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico
It has no any resource to produce, rely on imports, has huge amount of debt. I doubt how they will pay off. It is economy correlating with US.


░░░░░░▄▄▄████████▄▄▄
░░░░▄████████████████▄
░░▄████████████████████▄
█████▀░░░░░░░░░░████████
▐█████▄████████░░███████▌
████████▀▀██████░░████████
████████▄▄█████░░░████████
██████████████░░░█████████
▐███████▀░░░░░░▄█████████▌
██████▀▐███████████████
░░▀███░░░░░░░░░░░░░████▀
░░░░▀████████████████▀
░░░░░░▀▀▀████████▀▀▀

2local
...
Sustainability and Prosperity.
Pre sale is going on
....
....
....
....
...J O I N...
....
...Whitepaper...
....
░░░░░░▄▄▄████████▄▄▄
░░░░▄████████████████▄
░░▄████████████████████▄
█████▀░░░░░░░░░░████████
▐█████▄████████░░███████▌
████████▀▀██████░░████████
████████▄▄█████░░░████████
██████████████░░░█████████
▐███████▀░░░░░░▄█████████▌

I   E   O IN Livecoin.net  Probit  P2pPb2b from 11/02/2020
2local Sale
BellaBitBit
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 756
Merit: 500


View Profile
January 11, 2016, 12:35:47 AM
 #14

I can't imagine anything happening in Puerto Rico having an effect outside of Puerto Rico. Just look at Greece: it was huge drama for the Greeks, but nothing changed in Germany or in the rest of Europe. Where's Puerto Rico, by the way? I forgot.

I have to agree with this.  We have seen these big crashes come and go with a lot of hype and nothing earth shattering happens to the markets, commodities, precious metals, or bitcoin.  I thought Greece was going to have an effect... but nothing.

I love Bitcoin
Swordsoffreedom
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2954
Merit: 1135


Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform


View Profile WWW
January 11, 2016, 08:50:12 AM
 #15

It is very likely that Puerto Rico will be officially bankrupt on 1st January 2016.
Does it have any impact on Bitcoin and/or crypto currencies?
What do you think?

Just some ripples because of its relationship with the United States
Other than a small contagion effect I don't see a strong enough fear correlation unlike Iceland or Cyprus were.
The politicians are eating it up though being election season and all and Sanders press release etc.

..Stake.com..   ▄████████████████████████████████████▄
   ██ ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄            ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ██  ▄████▄
   ██ ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ ██████████ ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ ██  ██████
   ██ ██████████ ██      ██ ██████████ ██   ▀██▀
   ██ ██      ██ ██████  ██ ██      ██ ██    ██
   ██ ██████  ██ █████  ███ ██████  ██ ████▄ ██
   ██ █████  ███ ████  ████ █████  ███ ████████
   ██ ████  ████ ██████████ ████  ████ ████▀
   ██ ██████████ ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ██████████ ██
   ██            ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀            ██ 
   ▀█████████▀ ▄████████████▄ ▀█████████▀
  ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄███  ██  ██  ███▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
 ██████████████████████████████████████████
▄▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▄
█  ▄▀▄             █▀▀█▀▄▄
█  █▀█             █  ▐  ▐▌
█       ▄██▄       █  ▌  █
█     ▄██████▄     █  ▌ ▐▌
█    ██████████    █ ▐  █
█   ▐██████████▌   █ ▐ ▐▌
█    ▀▀██████▀▀    █ ▌ █
█     ▄▄▄██▄▄▄     █ ▌▐▌
█                  █▐ █
█                  █▐▐▌
█                  █▐█
▀▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▀█
▄▄█████████▄▄
▄██▀▀▀▀█████▀▀▀▀██▄
▄█▀       ▐█▌       ▀█▄
██         ▐█▌         ██
████▄     ▄█████▄     ▄████
████████▄███████████▄████████
███▀    █████████████    ▀███
██       ███████████       ██
▀█▄       █████████       ▄█▀
▀█▄    ▄██▀▀▀▀▀▀▀██▄  ▄▄▄█▀
▀███████         ███████▀
▀█████▄       ▄█████▀
▀▀▀███▄▄▄███▀▀▀
..PLAY NOW..
fricircled
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 201
Merit: 100


View Profile
January 11, 2016, 04:53:36 PM
 #16

I can't imagine anything happening in Puerto Rico having an effect outside of Puerto Rico. Just look at Greece: it was huge drama for the Greeks, but nothing changed in Germany or in the rest of Europe. Where's Puerto Rico, by the way? I forgot.

As long as there is no run away inflation there, people will not reach for bitcoin to protect their wealth.
DimensionZ
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 350
Merit: 251


Shit, did I leave the stove on?


View Profile
January 11, 2016, 05:23:46 PM
 #17

Aren't Puerto Rico very close friends with the USA? Maybe Obama will offer financial help to bail the country out of the imminent bankruptcy?

helloeverybody
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1008
Merit: 1000


★YoBit.Net★ 350+ Coins Exchange & Dice


View Profile WWW
January 11, 2016, 05:38:57 PM
 #18

I think its very unlikely that the majority of puerto rico would end up putting their money (which they can actually get hold of) into bitcoin, but even if we can get a small percentage of those people it would be a great step for bitcoin. I can assume we will suffer a pump from the news though and maybe it will stay higher once said pump is over and done with. 

Z00
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 30
Merit: 0


View Profile
January 11, 2016, 06:31:28 PM
 #19

My guess: Not Puerto Rico will push the Bitcoin price in the next months, but China definitely will.
fricircled
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 201
Merit: 100


View Profile
January 12, 2016, 11:50:55 AM
 #20

My guess: Not Puerto Rico will push the Bitcoin price in the next months, but China definitely will.

If the Chinese guys put 0.001% of their wealth into bitcoin, the bitcoin price will go through the roof.
Pages: [1] 2 »  All
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!