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December 17, 2012, 02:44:04 AM
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That is a question that I come across quite often. For example,

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I understand all the ideological reasons for why someone might want to choose Bitcoin. Most of them are fairly crazy, but at least they're there. What I don't get are the practical benefits, why an average person would actually choose to use them. If you aren't worried about the government or the banks or planning to get rich quickly 2140, then what can Bitcoin actually do for you? That's the part that nobody has really managed to explain so far in any of the threads, at least as far as I can remember.

To be fair, we understand the currency, it's inner workings, and thus its potential quite well, but while we profess how great it is, with $'s and stars in our eyes, we likely forget that the people we are talking to don't know or understand everything that we do. So, I think we should come up with some examples that answer the question of "why would an average person care" (or re-paste them from older necro threads). Here are some of mine:

1) It lets you send money overseas cheaper than using a bank wire (FIAT > BTC > BTC > FIAT has way better fees and exchange rates than bank wire, Western Union, etc).

2) It lets anyone open a virtual bank account without needing access to a physical bank. For example, some banks charge fees and require minimum balances for accounts, which may be prohibitively expensive. Some areas around the world don't even have banks other than in far away big cities. And in some cases, it's easier to just create a new Bitcoin wallet to store money in, than it is to drive down to a bank, fill out forms, come up with profs of ID, wait days for them to be verified, and another week for your account to actually be ready to use (especially if you're looking for a small business account).

3) It lets you accept payments online easily and way cheaper than with VISA, PayPal, or other such services. Heck, you can even just get a bitcoin address from MtGox or any other exchange, set up your account to instantly exchange any received BTC for local currency, and you're done.

4) It lets you accept payments over e-mail or any other service that can transmit text (even photos, as seen on girlsgonebitcoin). Some sellers may not have the means to build a website, but can still send out an invoice, asking to send payments to a specific address. (i.e. someone living in a poor country who only has access to an internet cafe, or someone who just doesn't have web skills).

5) It lets you accept tips or donations using any website. You can upload videos to YouTube, photos to Flickr, posts to a blog, music to Soundcloud, art to Deviantart, or comic strips to GoComics, and to accept donations all you need is to include a string of text in the description. No need to set up any money-accepting plugins, set up any bank or financial accounts, or rely on features provided by the service being used.

5) It lets you send money to places where PalPal or other money transmitting services are blocked, for example Russia or India, and is much cheaper for sending money to family in other countries. Even if that country they can't send money to is US, as in the example of the parents in Iran sending $2,000 to their college student son living here.

6) It lets you send huge sums of money overseas quickly and cheaply. If you were in US and you needed to pay $1,000,000 for a shipment from China, using normal methods of wiring money would take two or more weeks, and will cost more than $25,000 for the transaction. With Bitcoin, it takes a few hours, and costs $12,000 or less.

7) It lets you send micropayments better than anything else out there. It's easy and practically free to send $0.01 to anyone else using BTC, but would cost about $0.25 for just the fee to use the USD/EUR system. Any micropayment system that uses USD/EUR would have to sit on top of a larger system that stores all the money in a single large account, and all micropayments would have to be done as accounting entries within that account, instead of money actually moving around (i.e. you have to fund the system with a large payment, do your micropayment transactions, and withdraw when your fund is big enough again). This means micropayments using USD/EUR are restricted to only within specific services (i.e. your pre-paid micropayments fund that you use to pay for news articles can only be used within that news website)

8) It lets you create programs and services with their own bank accounts (the software stores value, as opposed to value always being linked to a real world person and a real world outside-the-service bank account). The Reddit tipbot is an excellent example of this, and would be impossible with USD/EUR, since to build it using FIAT, someone would have to open a real world bank account under their name (with all the forms, proofs of ID, etc), set it up to accept money transfers from others using PayPal, VISA, or something else, which will charge fees, have nasty exchange rates, have to keep to strict AML regulations, and be restricted to certain specific countries. Plus it would have all the micropayment issues mentioned above. With Bitcoin, all the "banking" is done with software, requiring no permissions, and no single programmer's name has to be linked with any bank accounts.

9) It lets you instantly fund USD/EUR based accounts around the world. The small LLC I started up keeps a BTC cash account for minor business expenses, and my business partners around the world will have Bitcoin funded VISA debit cards (as soon as Bitinstant releases them). That way, all the money is stored safely in the business vault, and if they need to pay for any business expenses, no matter where they are on the planet, or what their home currency is, I can fund their cards from home within 10 minutes. That's impossible with ACH, wires, or whatever else is out there.

10) It lets you link a payment account to a contract using address signing. For example, Person A agrees to buy Person B's debt. They write up an agreement contract, and instead of signing it with PGP keys, they sign it with A's and B's bitcoin addresses. Then money is sent from Address A to Address B, and any repayments are sent from Address B to Address A. That way, Person B can't claim that they never received the money, and Person A can't claim that they are still owed more than they really are, since all transactions are publicly verifiable on the block chain using the very addresses that were used to sign the contract. There is no need for any legal disputes of who owes what, since the blockchain keeps both parties honest (I actually did this already).


If you can think of anything else, please add it to the list.
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December 17, 2012, 02:50:03 AM
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Bitcoin lets you store any amount of money offline where no one can ever access it but you, utilizing nothing but a pass-phrase stored in your memory. It is retrievable at any time, any place with internet access.

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December 17, 2012, 02:59:32 AM
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Bitcoin can provide a private, inflation-proof investment without having to be in possession of physical gold or silver.

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December 17, 2012, 03:07:29 AM
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Bitcoin lets you store any amount of money offline where no one can ever access it but you, utilizing nothing but a pass-phrase stored in your memory. It is retrievable at any time, any place with internet access.

^^ Not useful for "average person," because even though you can retrieve it, you can't really use it in a lot of places, and have to go through an exchange to convert it to local currency. VISA still beats Bitcoin in this.
For the answers here, think "What can someone do with Bitcoin that they can't already easily do with something else."

Storing money offline and retrieving it elsewhere with internet access IS useful for people traveling in and out of restrictive regimes that ban transporting currency across the border (Back when we left USSR, the max anyone was allowed to carry across the border was $300. Imagine, a family with two kids, moving to US, only allowed to bring $300 with them. There are still countries like that, sadly)
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December 17, 2012, 03:17:55 AM
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Storing money offline and retrieving it elsewhere with internet access IS useful for people traveling in and out of restrictive regimes that ban transporting currency across the border (Back when we left USSR, the max anyone was allowed to carry across the border was $300. Imagine, a family with two kids, moving to US, only allowed to bring $300 with them. There are still countries like that, sadly)

It's not just restrictions on transporting physical currency, either.  Some South American countries, for instance, limit how much you can spend in USD each year - effectively limiting the ability of their citizens to purchase online from the US.

The big question is how Joe Average in a restrictive regime is going to acquire BTC in the first place.

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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December 17, 2012, 03:27:48 AM
Last edit: December 17, 2012, 03:43:02 AM by nobbynobbynoob
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The big question is how Joe Average in a restrictive regime is going to acquire BTC in the first place.

Foreign tourists might not mind trading a few BTC for local currency. I've heard this is already happening a little bit in Argentina. Bitcoin will take off there at some point; they need it even more than most of us do.

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December 17, 2012, 03:35:36 AM
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Thanks repentance, I just remembered another two

*) Being able to shop for web services around the world instead of just your own country. Being in the US, I would be restricted to registering domain names and buying VPS services to USD-taking companies here in the states. But now that a lot of web service places are taking BTC, I was able to shop around and buy from a cheaper place that's not even in my country.

*) Usenet, an internet discussion and bulletin board system that has existed since the 80's, has recently had a lot of pressure put on it by VISA, PayPal, and other such financial services, being effectively banned from accepting payments, because it hosts copyrighted materials as well as general web discussions. Now the only way to buy NTTP access in a lot of places is to use Bitcoin. Now, granted, not a lot of "average joes" use NTTP, but I'm sure there are plenty of old neckbeards who still have fond memories of the service and rely on it for their discussions.

Then, of course, there's any other service that has had a run-in with financial restrictions because the politics of one country don't agree with them. Like Wikileaks for example.
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December 17, 2012, 03:51:40 AM
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Bitcoin lets you store any amount of money offline where no one can ever access it but you, utilizing nothing but a pass-phrase stored in your memory. It is retrievable at any time, any place with internet access.

^^ Not useful for "average person," because even though you can retrieve it, you can't really use it in a lot of places, and have to go through an exchange to convert it to local currency. VISA still beats Bitcoin in this.
For the answers here, think "What can someone do with Bitcoin that they can't already easily do with something else."

Storing money offline and retrieving it elsewhere with internet access IS useful for people traveling in and out of restrictive regimes that ban transporting currency across the border (Back when we left USSR, the max anyone was allowed to carry across the border was $300. Imagine, a family with two kids, moving to US, only allowed to bring $300 with them. There are still countries like that, sadly)

People don't necessarily want to convert their long-term savings into local currency, and if they do, bitcoin is a universal currency. It doesn't need to be localized in order to be useful. I wish people would stop treating bitcoin like its a sovereign nation that you need to be a citizen of.

Given some time, your comments in 1st paragraph will no longer be true. I'd say in 3-5 years.

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December 17, 2012, 04:42:56 AM
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To me, the biggest reason is simply because it's a powerful hedge against inflation.
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December 17, 2012, 05:23:16 AM
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Bitcoin lets you store any amount of money offline where no one can ever access it but you, utilizing nothing but a pass-phrase stored in your memory. It is retrievable at any time, any place with internet access.

And the next day your money has halved... or doubled...
But 'average'  people will never risk that.

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December 17, 2012, 05:37:01 AM
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This may be a very simple idea, but I think it's cool to be involved with something global.

Perhaps an average joe can think of this as a great easy way to diversify some investment portfolio into a global investment -tied to not only local city or country business, but a global project.

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December 17, 2012, 05:42:21 AM
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my guess is that even the 'average' person would be up for a bit of tax evasion.
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December 17, 2012, 06:07:34 AM
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And the next day your money has halved... or doubled...
But 'average'  people will never risk that.

That is not going to happen. Bitcoin price will not double or halve in a single day barring some sort of horrible disaster. Like a crash in the USD.

A bitcoin rainy day fund is risk mitigation tool. But i do see your point. The average person isn't that prepared.

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December 17, 2012, 06:13:04 AM
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And the next day your money has halved... or doubled...
But 'average'  people will never risk that.

That is not going to happen. Bitcoin price will not double or halve in a single day barring some sort of horrible disaster. Like a crash in the USD.

A bitcoin rainy day fund is risk mitigation tool. But i do see your point. The average person isn't that prepared.

Maybe not, but if Pirate or some other guy with huge funds decides to become a (multi)millionaire (or just dump a shtload for the fun of it) you'll see it will have a huge impact on the value.

There's still a HUGE amount of bitcoins in the hands of a few people that completely control the market in essence.
Hopefully these coins are slowly being spread out while the economy is growing, but you never know...

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December 17, 2012, 06:40:19 AM
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I think the biggest benefit of Bitcoin I've seen is replacing Western Union for International transfers for folks in your local community. It does take a while to get used to, but when people want to send money back home to family, if they can queue it up so that you do your transfer at the same time a trustworthy person in another country does it, you can pretty much provide them with instant money at a fraction of the cost. You don't make much, but when scores of families are doing these transactions, it adds up. Plus you get to feel good about saving them money.
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December 17, 2012, 06:47:39 AM
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To me, the biggest reason is simply because it's a powerful hedge against inflation.

From my short-but-few years as a personal financial adviser, and the years I've deal with that on the sidelines since, I would say that the average Joe doesn't even know about inflation, let alone understand it or want to hedge against it. Most people out there just get a paycheck direct-deposited into their account, use their debit card until their bank balance runs out, and wait until the next paycheck comes in. That's about the extent of their financial knowledge, and not only do they not know anything more, they don't care to know. That's why we keep having statistics with depressing results, such as: the average 54 year old has $30,000 in savings, 60% or so of those reaching retirement age have less than $100k in savings, and of all retirees, only 5% retire with enough to maintain their standard of living, and a full 25% to 30% end up needing to work after retirement to make ends meet.  People just don't care until it's too late, and warning them about it or offering to help only makes them more guarded and defensive. But that's a discussion for another topic.
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December 17, 2012, 06:52:04 AM
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Those stats are depressing, my man.  Undecided
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December 17, 2012, 07:28:56 AM
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I think a lot of Bitcoin's power will be(is already? Silk Road) offering goods and services that are only available with Bitcoins.

I'm working on getting to the point where I will demand Bitcoin, and only Bitcoin, as payment for my goods and services. Eventually, I will get to the point where if they want me as a customer, they better offer Bitcoin as a payment option.

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December 17, 2012, 08:10:59 AM
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I'm working on getting to the point where I will demand Bitcoin, and only Bitcoin, as payment for my goods and services.

You should contact vite. He runs a BTC restaurant.
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December 17, 2012, 08:51:23 AM
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- Bitcoin allows you to prove address ownership even keeping your anonimity intact. That's impossible with banking accounts.

- Every goldbug knows that you have to pay about a 10% of your gold savings in security. Bitcoin downs this security expense to almost 0.

- Bitcoin usually don't go off a metal detector in an airport.

- When someone accepts payments with gold or fiat money, he needs to test counterfeiting in all bills, gold ingots or gold coins transfered. When someone accepts Bitcoin knows that every coin accepted has been counterfeit tested by all the miners in the network. The counterfeit test has been done, it's secure and cheap.

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