How many red trust users are ACTUALLY scammers?

[Dorrittulx]

This came across my mind just after seeing another member given red trust complain on the forum. It's obvious that red trust is ugly, and basically f*cks up your forum profile and reduces your trust to dust. But, do people who got red trust actually deserve it? I feel as if red trust is given out too easily. I see no point in marking a newbie asking for a loan, a scammer. It's too easy to assume they will run-off. Funny, because people refer to bitcointalk as a great place to get a loan, so why not make an account and ask for a loan if you actually need one?

The point is, how many people who have red trust would scam you if they could. I see red trust for any reason nowadays, whether it's selling illegal items, a potential alt, or even for selling disagreeable items like Microsoft keys. It makes me wonder, what % of red trust users are scammers? My guess: 70%. What's your guess?

[minifrij]

Newbies who get red trust from loan requests aren't using collateral, which means one of two things:
1. They plan to run off with the money they're given,
2. They are incapable of reading the guidelines which say specifically not to request a loan without collateral.
Neither of these things look particularly good on a user, do they?

It's up to the person giving the red trust as to if it's justified, but if several higher members disagreed with the person leaving the trust, said person would be removed from DT (making their ratings not show straight away by default). Because of this, you can conclude that they must be doing something right.

[Shibashi Dogemoto]

I must agree that in my opinion, not all red trust is completely deserved... Especially the ones given by untrusted members. But, in case of a DT member leaving red trust it's almost always justified in some way.
This does not mean the member receiving -ve is a sure scammer, but it does mean that he did something like ignoring rules, displaying scamlike behaviour, selling/buying questionable goods...

I think about 5-10% of the -ve given by DT is not really deserved (mostly -ve given for account sales, or sales of goods that are in the "grey area" like MS keys). At least 30% of the red trust given by untrusted members is not deserved (in my opinion)

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Most accounts that have red trust unfortunately have it deservedly in my experience. DT members don't tend to hand out negative trust for no reason.

The only time I've seen an 'unfair negative trust' was when tspacepilot was involved in a row with Quickseller. That obviously resolved itself when QS was removed from DT.

[YoonYeonghwa]

Some of them are actually scammers, and some are just accused of being a scammer but it is not certain that they are.

[hedgy73]

Most DT members are trusted enough to hand out negative or positive trust.

Good thing is with DT membersis that trust feedback means something, usually negative to scammers.

Usually the only people moaning about negative trust are scammers and people that have bough accounts and are trying to scam.

I have no feelings for members that are red (negative) trusted for whatever reason unless they prove their innocence which is very, very rare.

99% of times people marked as scammers are or dissapear or dont prove otherwise.

[Vod]

Some of them are actually scammers, and some are just accused of being a scammer but it is not certain that they are.

In bitcoin, it's better to be called a scammer when you aren't, then to not be called a scammer when you are.

There are no second chances with irreversible currency, so it's best to err on the side of caution.

[hedgy73]

Some of them are actually scammers, and some are just accused of being a scammer but it is not certain that they are.

In bitcoin, it's better to be called a scammer when you aren't, then don't be called a scammer when you are.

There are no second chances with irreversible currency, so it's best to err on the side of caution.

Vod whats licking your own boob like, I've always wondered as I cant myself?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

From what I've seen, red trust is usually deserved, even that left by Vod and others for loan requests with no collateral.  There are so many scammers on this forum it's unbelievable.  I basically only look at red trust from DT members and those accusations that have references.  All else is BS.

[Vod]

Vod whats licking your own boob like, I've always wondered as I cant myself?

Same as praying to yourself and believing someone else is listening.  

The enjoyment is only in your head.

[hedgy73]

Vod whats licking your own boob like, I've always wondered as I cant myself?

Same as praying to yourself and believing someone else is listening.  

The enjoyment is only in your head.

Ha ha like it . You're a star in my eyes. Long live vod .

[MRKLYE]

Most DT members are trusted enough to hand out negative or positive trust.

Good thing is with DT membersis that trust feedback means something, usually negative to scammers.

Usually the only people moaning about negative trust are scammers and people that have bough accounts and are trying to scam.

I have no feelings for members that are red (negative) trusted for whatever reason unless they prove their innocence which is very, very rare.

99% of times people marked as scammers are or dissapear or dont prove otherwise.

Glad to see I'm the 1%

[Anegg]

Most DT members are trusted enough to hand out negative or positive trust.

Good thing is with DT membersis that trust feedback means something, usually negative to scammers.

Usually the only people moaning about negative trust are scammers and people that have bough accounts and are trying to scam.

I have no feelings for members that are red (negative) trusted for whatever reason unless they prove their innocence which is very, very rare.

99% of times people marked as scammers are or dissapear or dont prove otherwise.

Glad to see I'm the 1%

I am too. I feel special.

[Anegg]

I've always wondered what it felt like to lick your boobs.

[Dorrittulx]

Most DT members are trusted enough to hand out negative or positive trust.

Good thing is with DT membersis that trust feedback means something, usually negative to scammers.

Usually the only people moaning about negative trust are scammers and people that have bough accounts and are trying to scam.

I have no feelings for members that are red (negative) trusted for whatever reason unless they prove their innocence which is very, very rare.

99% of times people marked as scammers are or dissapear or dont prove otherwise.

Glad to see I'm the 1%

That's strongly debatable .

Sike, I'd trust you KLYE, but if anyone else had those trusts I might not say the same.

[winspiral]

Some of them are actually scammers, and some are just accused of being a scammer but it is not certain that they are.

In bitcoin, it's better to be called a scammer when you aren't, then to not be called a scammer when you are.

There are no second chances with irreversible currency, so it's best to err on the side of caution.

I'm red trusted and I'm not a scammer...

if Vod had got 1 or 2 negative trusts for nothing...and then taken for a scammer...now he would not talk so.

But it is true... i prefer have red trust for my honnesty than be at the place of my 2 negative truster...
I could not peacely asleep if I were at their place...I would be ashamed and I would certainly not be here now...

I'm even ashamed for them...(lol)

and to be very honest...it is possible that Vod is a scammer,but I have not proof...
If I follow Vod's opinion...i shoud untrust him...what i do...because I do not agree his opinion who accuses honnest people.
I'm sorry...in France we prefer guily people in freedom that innocent one in jail...
Vod would jail every one (lol)

[Vod]

and to be very honest...it is possible that Vod is a scammer,but I have not proof...
If I follow Vod's opinion...i shoud untrust him...what i do...because I do not agree his opinion who accuses honnest people.

That's why I don't engage in business on this forum.  So there is never any need to view me as a possible scammer.

[Dorrittulx]

and to be very honest...it is possible that Vod is a scammer,but I have not proof...
If I follow Vod's opinion...i shoud untrust him...what i do...because I do not agree his opinion who accuses honnest people.

That's why I don't engage in business on this forum.  So there is never any need to view me as a possible scammer.

Vod's definitely not a scammer. The only grey area he's in is his loosely-given red trusts which are very controversial and affect the forum greatly. Other than that I think Vod is a great and trusted guy, who is a level above all of us.

[winspiral]

and to be very honest...it is possible that Vod is a scammer,but I have not proof...
If I follow Vod's opinion...i shoud untrust him...what i do...because I do not agree his opinion who accuses honnest people.

That's why I don't engage in business on this forum.  So there is never any need to view me as a possible scammer.

Vod's definitely not a scammer. The only grey area he's in is his loosely-given red trusts which are very controversial and affect the forum greatly. Other than that I think Vod is a great and trusted guy, who is a level above all of us.

it's my touch of humour...I respect of course Vod's opinion...even if i do not agree...
Never say never...
I was almost same...my business on the net asked never more than few cents...and often it was earnt cash on my own sites...
But since i'm on the forum and in contact with bitcoin...i have up the possibility to invest a little more...
And this gave me the reputation of a scammer...and now I have this bullet at my foot.

[ibminer]

I believe they are red because someone doesn't trust them... it doesn't mean they are a scammer. People can read for themselves and establish whether they are a scammer or someone they would want to trade with.

and to be very honest...it is possible that Vod is a scammer,but I have not proof...
If I follow Vod's opinion...i shoud untrust him...what i do...because I do not agree his opinion who accuses honnest people.

That's why I don't engage in business on this forum.  So there is never any need to view me as a possible scammer.

It all makes sense now... you've been trying to shutdown scammers to eliminate the "competition" of your own scamming through an alt that you probably purchased from one of the glorious account scalpers!