idea of creating a bitcoin carnival.

[xhomerx10]

What a great idea!

So where would this fantastic festival be located? I hope I can make it...I'd easily pay $10-20.

L3X 0H8, not too far from where master-P is located in Aurora, Ontario, CA. L3X 0H8 was gleaned from one of lottery248's posts which have power supplies for sale, just like what master-P used to sell. Yes, lottery248 has distanced himself away from master-P, just like some of 100%-proven master-P sockpuppets have distanced themselves from Alex.

 Actually L3X 0H8 is located in Newmarket (close to but not Aurora).  Newmarket is only ~28km (~18mi) from Canada's Wonderland where for only $40 CAD ($28 USD) you can have an amazing time and not risk losing any bitcoin unless you're carrying Casascius or Lealana on the "Flight Deck"; with 5 inversions and an Immelmann loop at 50mph, you're sure to lose everything in your pockets and possibly your lunch faster than you can say "scam".  So yeah, L3X 0H8 is too risky a venture.  Stay away!

[Gleb Gamow]

so, can anyone here to provide some of the ideas about the admission fees?
unlike county fair, it is larger than it. and there are a lot of stuff which could be disputed.
i would recommend for $15 at this moment after reading the ideas.

$15 USD or Canadian? Can I call you Alex?

[TipZ]

When people talk about carnival I just can't imagine what you guys are talking about.

Where I live we do it this way, every week end for like 2 month !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vzD9MJXmCo

[franky1]

firstly, i think asking for admission fee is hard because you do not yet know how many actual attractions would turn up.

unless you organize and research what attraction operators are available in the area, its impossible to promise how big or small it will be.
especially if you are promising something bigger than a county fair,

for instance some county fairs have 40 fun rides

car shows
animal shows
music stages

so i think you need to look harder at what a hong kong carnival can offer, which would then lead you to know if its appropriate to charge more than an american county fair, or even 50%-80% of disneyworld.

so look harder at what will definetly be achievable to be present. starting with locations. EG a small field cant hold as much stuff as multiple fields next to each other.

and another idea would be if there was a building big enough for conferences or a soundstage so that you can host a bitcoin conference there at the same time. right next to the large field to cover the space needed to host the attractions

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so i would suggest you start with where, then what, and then re-evaluate how much later.

[bitlancr]

Where would you be holding this carnival? I think you'd have to also think about cost and the people you're going to hire to do this. Will you be paying them out in btc or fiat? It sounds like a nice idea if you're trying to make more people aware about bitcoin. Not sure as to how this would work out with bitcoins if not that many people in your area know about it.

[franky1]

When people talk about carnival I just can't imagine what you guys are talking about.

Where I live we do it this way, every week end for like 2 month !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vzD9MJXmCo

in america a carnival is more like a circus tent with clowns and animal tricks
in the uk a carnival is a street procession of decorated flatbed trailers with themes and walking bands and stuff going down the main streets of a town.

im not sure what hong kongs version of a carnival is.

[lottery248]

firstly, i think asking for admission fee is hard because you do not yet know how many actual attractions would turn up.

unless you organize and research what attraction operators are available in the area, its impossible to promise how big or small it will be.
especially if you are promising something bigger than a county fair,

for instance some county fairs have 40 fun rides

car shows
animal shows
music stages

so i think you need to look harder at what a hong kong carnival can offer, which would then lead you to know if its appropriate to charge more than an american county fair, or even 50%-80% of disneyworld.

so look harder at what will definetly be achievable to be present. starting with locations. EG a small field cant hold as much stuff as multiple fields next to each other.

and another idea would be if there was a building big enough for conferences or a soundstage so that you can host a bitcoin conference there at the same time. right next to the large field to cover the space needed to host the attractions

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so i would suggest you start with where, then what, and then re-evaluate how much later.

sure, let's start to talk about it from here.
in fact i need to do much more research than in America, we don't have much people to afford such a $30 admission fee, $10 would require us to pay the cost and ask the guests to pay for the rides; not all of the people could afford it. would $15 be better?

FYI we have the worst carnival based on the charge ever: that Tung Wah charity carnival in that former Kai Tak airport; as you can see one of the thrill rides called tourbillion charges HKD$120 (~$15) to admit one but not even lasts for 2 minutes. although it is the world-first used and costs around 2 million euros, the charge is still too high to admit.

Where would you be holding this carnival? I think you'd have to also think about cost and the people you're going to hire to do this. Will you be paying them out in btc or fiat? It sounds like a nice idea if you're trying to make more people aware about bitcoin. Not sure as to how this would work out with bitcoins if not that many people in your area know about it.

we would use bitcoin if they accept, we won't force people to accept bitcoin, that is their choice.
just add either bonus or discount on paying bitcoin in parts or even full.

When people talk about carnival I just can't imagine what you guys are talking about.

Where I live we do it this way, every week end for like 2 month !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vzD9MJXmCo

in america a carnival is more like a circus tent with clowns and animal tricks
in the uk a carnival is a street procession of decorated flatbed trailers with themes and walking bands and stuff going down the main streets of a town.

im not sure what hong kongs version of a carnival is.

like this. www.tgec.asia

[Kprawn]

I like this idea a lot.. you will have to include the fiat option.. in some countries a "Bitcoin only" option might be illegal. You will be prosecuted if you offer only Bitcoin payment

for services or goods. The national currency is still the big dog. A token system might be the way to go for this... the confirmation time, might be a issue... when you make

direct payments for rides. The alternative might be to use a service like Xapo and have all the transactions "offline" for instant transactions. Just setup a booth and help people

to create a Xapo account or even a Bitcoin wallet as a added free service.  That would help a lot with adoption. 

[Noriyuke]

I think your going to have to build a system to help incentivize the Bitcoin Aspect to your Carnival. I believe a system similar to Dave and Busters or Boomers will help you build proper revenue from small time stuff like what your more or less offering. Something like Allowing Fiat as well as Bitcoin but offering a significant discount for using Bitcoin only. Maybe a 40% markup? Dave and Busters used to charge a certain amount for tokens and such to play the games, but whenever they upgraded the machines with card readers they gave stupid discounts for "Game Time" cards. That way they were able to sell off the token machines to old bowling alleys and such, i go to a laundromat that uses a Boomers Token machine to dispense change. besides that, in all honesty if you expect to charge a high dollar amount for the entrance you need to have a Legit ass carnival, like clowns elephants, all that. And potentially some amazing rides that can build to suit. They have some cool roller coasters that like go and then come back that can be rented i believe. But its like millions. But if its going to similar to a county fair then you have to keep it under 20 or else no one will care.

[LuckyYOU]

Sounds like a very nice and neat idea.
I've never went to a carnival where I had to pay admission though.
Every carnival I went to has been free to enter. I would only have to pay for the rides and whatever attraction I wanted to get into
So to make it fair, I would probably pay about $10 - $20 dollars, but I would expect some kind of compensation within the carnival
Such things as discounts

[franky1]

I think your going to have to build a system to help incentivize the Bitcoin Aspect to your Carnival. I believe a system similar to Dave and Busters or Boomers will help you build proper revenue from small time stuff like what your more or less offering. Something like Allowing Fiat as well as Bitcoin but offering a significant discount for using Bitcoin only. Maybe a 40% markup?

doesnt have to be discount.. could be something like "queue jumping", or front row seats for shows, extended ride times. bigger teddybear prize for knocking over all 3 tin-cans. etc etc

making bitcoin feel more of a VIP currency rather than a less valuable discount voucher

[Bitcoinbro]

Interesting idea, I like this idea. I would probably pay around $10 - $20
I think if you would go over $20 for admission that it would be a bit expensive for just a carnival.

[lottery248]

Interesting idea, I like this idea. I would probably pay around $10 - $20
I think if you would go over $20 for admission that it would be a bit expensive for just a carnival.

$15 is normal, $40 (in total) covers all of the thrill rides.
and for that matter, we would need to flexibly accept fiat and cryptographicals together.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

What a great idea!

So where would this fantastic festival be located? I hope I can make it...I'd easily pay $10-20.

L3X 0H8, not too far from where master-P is located in Aurora, Ontario, CA. L3X 0H8 was gleaned from one of lottery248's posts which have power supplies for sale, just like what master-P used to sell. Yes, lottery248 has distanced himself away from master-P, just like some of 100%-proven master-P sockpuppets have distanced themselves from Alex.

That would be one hell of a drive for me, but I think I'd come up there just for the drama.  And fried dough.  A good carnival must have fried dough.

[lottery248]

What a great idea!

So where would this fantastic festival be located? I hope I can make it...I'd easily pay $10-20.

L3X 0H8, not too far from where master-P is located in Aurora, Ontario, CA. L3X 0H8 was gleaned from one of lottery248's posts which have power supplies for sale, just like what master-P used to sell. Yes, lottery248 has distanced himself away from master-P, just like some of 100%-proven master-P sockpuppets have distanced themselves from Alex.

That would be one hell of a drive for me, but I think I'd come up there just for the drama.  And fried dough.  A good carnival must have fried dough.

L3X 0H8 isn't even suitable to setup a bitcoin carnival for that matter, the area avaliable is too low.
gleb i would wish you not to joke excessively here.

[neochiny]

This idea is very nice.
however is the admission your telling is only for entrance?
and the rides fees is separate? If so, I choose the cheapest.
because At first you really need to invest money. almost all people
will just ignore the carnival. As they dont know how the payment process is.
But if you give them a very cheap price for beginning of your carnival.
They may be considered using bitcoin as payments as its very cheap.
Then after a long run, you can increase it little by little. As if they will not even notice it.
As for your profit, you can still have profit. its like. cheap but many. or high fees but few.

[nichu]

What a great idea!

So where would this fantastic festival be located? I hope I can make it...I'd easily pay $10-20.

L3X 0H8, not too far from where master-P is located in Aurora, Ontario, CA. L3X 0H8 was gleaned from one of lottery248's posts which have power supplies for sale, just like what master-P used to sell. Yes, lottery248 has distanced himself away from master-P, just like some of 100%-proven master-P sockpuppets have distanced themselves from Alex.

so, can anyone here to provide some of the ideas about the admission fees?
unlike county fair, it is larger than it. and there are a lot of stuff which could be disputed.
i would recommend for $15 at this moment after reading the ideas.

$15 USD or Canadian? Can I call you Alex?

Yeah i guess u can call him    i like the beef going around the carnival 

As for the fest sure  its a good idea, for starters admission must be free for a certain time or dollar an hour  because i have being to shit fairs paying money and the feeling you gets after that is cannot be explained , if the fest catches the attention then you can increase your price.

[Bitware]

Admissions fees for carnivals and fairs are why the attendance and profits are so low. Stop charging admission fees and more people will come to spend more $ with your product and service vendors, who are already paying for space.

[Gleb Gamow]

What a great idea!

So where would this fantastic festival be located? I hope I can make it...I'd easily pay $10-20.

L3X 0H8, not too far from where master-P is located in Aurora, Ontario, CA. L3X 0H8 was gleaned from one of lottery248's posts which have power supplies for sale, just like what master-P used to sell. Yes, lottery248 has distanced himself away from master-P, just like some of 100%-proven master-P sockpuppets have distanced themselves from Alex.

That would be one hell of a drive for me, but I think I'd come up there just for the drama.  And fried dough.  A good carnival must have fried dough.

L3X 0H8 isn't even suitable to setup a bitcoin carnival for that matter, the area avaliable is too low.
gleb i would wish you not to joke excessively here.

I apologize. I misread the post by you because of the sentence structure: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306301.msg13452849;topicseen#msg13452849

I'll safely assume you live in the US, thus ask, as others have, exactly where would such a carnival take place?

[Yakamoto]

Admissions fees for carnivals and fairs are why the attendance and profits are so low. Stop charging admission fees and more people will come to spend more $ with your product and service vendors, who are already paying for space.

Yeah, this is what it some carnivals seem to fail at understanding. If you charge a bit more for the physical space used by vendors, and charge less to get people to enter the carnival, they'll spend way more. But the carnival probably understands the economics of it better than I do, so I'll let them do the admission fees.