idea of creating a bitcoin carnival.

[Gleb Gamow]

Admissions fees for carnivals and fairs are why the attendance and profits are so low. Stop charging admission fees and more people will come to spend more $ with your product and service vendors, who are already paying for space.

Most all carnivals here in Illinois are free to attend, with purchase of tickets given to ride operators for riding on so that patrons don't have to worry about being short-changed by those considered society's lower class handling actual moneys - patrons trusting a central [on-site] local to purchase their ticket allotments. Operators and vendors pay the organizer to participate predicated on if it's profitable and schedules, the latter with most having their calendar filled at least a year in advance unless they are just starting up.

The more prestigious the event (carnival, in this case), the higher the fees are for vendors and operators to set up. Food vendors charge what they feel the local market can bear, taking into consideration, again, vendor fees, and the distance they have to travel to attend. If inclimate weather is forecast, vendors will back out at the last minute unless it affects participating in subsequent years due to not showing, whereupon another vendor in line takes their place, paying in advance to lock in participation.

Insurance and bond costs are major considerations when planning such an event.

[EXtremeAEX]

A Bitcoin carnival sounds interesting to me, where everything is bitcoin related. I agree that the admission price should be free, so that outside people can come take a look, and perhaps get interested in it too. Use the idea of buying tickets to play, where every ride/stall uses the tickets as the currency instead, maybe a limited bitcoin token will do too.

You should charge cheaper for the tickets for those who buy it bitcoin, and there could be rewards in the carnival too, like if you win a game you get 1 bitcoin reward token that can be used to exchange for more tickets, or real bitcoin!! This could be an incentive, to win, but make sure its not that easy! Supporting you for creating a bitcoin carnival, all the best!

[Kprawn]

A Bitcoin carnival sounds interesting to me, where everything is bitcoin related. I agree that the admission price should be free, so that outside people can come take a look, and perhaps get interested in it too. Use the idea of buying tickets to play, where every ride/stall uses the tickets as the currency instead, maybe a limited bitcoin token will do too.

You should charge cheaper for the tickets for those who buy it bitcoin, and there could be rewards in the carnival too, like if you win a game you get 1 bitcoin reward token that can be used to exchange for more tickets, or real bitcoin!! This could be an incentive, to win, but make sure its not that easy! Supporting you for creating a bitcoin carnival, all the best!

A monetary reward, could classify it as a gambling operation and that comes with it's own licensing requirements. These licenses will make it too expensive to operate. I would

much rather work on a token system, where you could exchange tokens for "fluffy" toys. You make a excellent point in giving discounted rates for Bitcoin payments, and this

would be a perfect incentive for adoption. 

[EdenHazard]

vote for "free pizza" for each people who come at biitcoin carnival 
this is good idea, i think this is make more people interesting about bitcoin

i agree with that,such a good idea,everyone love pizza,and they can get information about bitcoin with pizza in their hands
and also its will welcoming to every age,lets hope bitcoin can accept by everyone in this world.

[Erkallys]

A good idea would be to organize this about a theme, like pirats. Then you could organize pirats-related activities and sell pirats food (not need to be real pirat food, but you can do cakes that have the shap of ships for exemple). The best advantage of having a theme would be that you would be able to sell your tickets to enter at a bigger price that you could in a normal carnival.

[xhomerx10]

A good idea would be to organize this about a theme, like pirats. Then you could organize pirats-related activities and sell pirats food (not need to be real pirat food, but you can do cakes that have the shap of ships for exemple). The best advantage of having a theme would be that you would be able to sell your tickets to enter at a bigger price that you could in a normal carnival.

 Interesting concept but is it a  good idea to focus the carnival on the negative aspects of Bitcoin while charging more than normal for an entry fee? It's not very subtle. How many times can that work on people?!   Do we even know what pirats eat?  Perhaps limes? The only pirat(e)s that come to mind are pirateat40 who will be sentenced to jail time on February 3rd, 2016 and altoid (aka dread pirate Roberts) I'm pretty sure they're not allowed to have contact with anything bitcoin or anything remotely investment related right now but we might be able to ask them what pirat(e)s eat.  At this point in their lives, I would imagine they just eat "jail food" three times a day but jail food probably wouldn't be a big draw at a carnival.  I'm sure there are many more pirates her; they just don't refer to themselves as "pirate".   Hey pirates! What do you eat?  Feel free to weigh in as an alt.

[Erkallys]

A good idea would be to organize this about a theme, like pirats. Then you could organize pirats-related activities and sell pirats food (not need to be real pirat food, but you can do cakes that have the shap of ships for exemple). The best advantage of having a theme would be that you would be able to sell your tickets to enter at a bigger price that you could in a normal carnival.

 Interesting concept but is it a  good idea to focus the carnival on the negative aspects of Bitcoin while charging more than normal for an entry fee? It's not very subtle. How many times can that work on people?!   Do we even know what pirats eat?  Perhaps limes? The only pirat(e)s that come to mind are pirateat40 who will be sentenced to jail time on February 3rd, 2016 and altoid (aka dread pirate Roberts) I'm pretty sure they're not allowed to have contact with anything bitcoin or anything remotely investment related right now but we might be able to ask them what pirat(e)s eat.  At this point in their lives, I would imagine they just eat "jail food" three times a day but jail food probably wouldn't be a big draw at a carnival.  I'm sure there are many more pirates her; they just don't refer to themselves as "pirate".   Hey pirates! What do you eat?  Feel free to weigh in as an alt.

Funny text . When I meant pirates I meant historical pirates, like Black Beard. But after all, this was a suggestion. You can do it about knights if this a problem.

[Gleb Gamow]

I'm not a hacker, but I can easily envision a rogue entity frequenting such an event for the sole purpose of sniffing packets. A conference is one thing where most patrons are versed in protecting their hardware, whereas an outing enjoyed by less tech-savvy folks becomes enjoyment for those feeding off said folks.

Not dissing the endeavor, but we must take all things into consideration, OP.

[BTCBinary]

i am gonna concentrate some of the replies in a post, so i will edit a lot in one post, you may see my reply at the earlier post instead of new one, i do not cheat the sign campaign in my thread.
so i would wish to plan a form of bitcoin related carnival, with what you have in the major fair like pirate ship, so-called game booths.

probably, it should mainly accept bitcoin as payment, but we would allow fiat to convince people as well.
what should we plan about it? like:

• games/ prize of games
• thrill rides
• family rides
• admission fees
• the system
• the foodstuffs
• so on

if you have any idea, please post some of the good ideas here. if the plan did a success, it could even make that kind of carnival into a true form. (unlikely, but depends on the range of success.) i would add up everyone's opinion when possible.

voting of idea plan(PM me if i forgot to post result here):

• admission price 6/1~10/1
• average game booth fees 10/1~13/1
• prices on food (part 1) 13/1~16/1
• part 2 16/1~19/1
• thrill rides? 19/1~22/1
• further voting coming soon

please move this thread into a proper thread if i did it wrong here.

That is a great idea. I really think that you should work on it and try to set it up. I'm sure the whole community will be there to help you!

[lottery248]

i am gonna concentrate some of the replies in a post, so i will edit a lot in one post, you may see my reply at the earlier post instead of new one, i do not cheat the sign campaign in my thread.
so i would wish to plan a form of bitcoin related carnival, with what you have in the major fair like pirate ship, so-called game booths.

probably, it should mainly accept bitcoin as payment, but we would allow fiat to convince people as well.
what should we plan about it? like:

• games/ prize of games
• thrill rides
• family rides
• admission fees
• the system
• the foodstuffs
• so on

if you have any idea, please post some of the good ideas here. if the plan did a success, it could even make that kind of carnival into a true form. (unlikely, but depends on the range of success.) i would add up everyone's opinion when possible.

voting of idea plan(PM me if i forgot to post result here):

• admission price 6/1~10/1
• average game booth fees 10/1~13/1
• prices on food (part 1) 13/1~16/1
• part 2 16/1~19/1
• thrill rides? 19/1~22/1
• further voting coming soon

please move this thread into a proper thread if i did it wrong here.

That is a great idea. I really think that you should work on it and try to set it up. I'm sure the whole community will be there to help you!

many thanks.

i am gonna change the vote soon, stay tuned. if you are wishing to vote, then go for it as soon as possible.

[lottery248]

bump.

we should probably have a lucky draw in the carnival, with the high-demand prizes like iPhone, admission ticket on the rides and for the game booths, etc. which should be higher than expected profit AFAIK.

[franky1]

bump.

we should probably have a lucky draw in the carnival, with the high-demand prizes like iPhone, admission ticket on the rides and for the game booths, etc. which should be higher than expected profit AFAIK.

after reading other idea's and comments.
just entry admittance should be under $15.. and people then separately pay for rides they want
but also have the day pass that includes a number of rides, etc for a higher price (obviously more then just entry, but less than 50% of disneyworld)

if people choose to pay via bitcoin. it still costs the same amount of fiat to buy the amount of bitcoin needed(no discount).. but its a VIP day pass, allowing for better prizes on game stands, better seating at shows. longer rides, queue jumping, etc.. maybe even a free pizza slice.

try not to make bitcoin seem like a discount currency, but an exclusive VIP status currency

afterall the ticket stands handling fiat are gonna make losses. EG employing people an extra couple hours after gates close to count up the bank notes and take them to a bank. where they find they lost a bit of fiat from ticket staff giving the wrong change etc (you know standard fiat problems)
so its better to give customers some extra's for using bitcoin as it reduces time/cost waste by not needing to handle fiat

as i said before you might want to partner up with existing events/carnivals/county fair organizers so that you can dip your toe in the water without having all the headaches of fully managing one.. then once comfortable.. then organize your own

[EXtremeAEX]

Hmm, I have no experiences is the cost managing and all, so I don't know the budget and expenses... Maybe since this is the first bitcoin carnival you're going to have, I think starting out small would be better, and it raises awareness of this bitcoin carnival thing, which should be the first goal.

Start of with a few cotton candy carts, ring toss, those typical games, but bitcoin themed. Like there could be a bitcoin plinko game, knock down the 'bitcoin', something like that. The admission fee should be low, or even free, to attract everyone's attention. It might be loss, since you have to set up quite a few stuff, and rent the land I guess.. Rides would be difficult, but it'll be nice if there was. Quite tough to make this a reality, hope everyone supports this!

[lottery248]

Hmm, I have no experiences is the cost managing and all, so I don't know the budget and expenses... Maybe since this is the first bitcoin carnival you're going to have, I think starting out small would be better, and it raises awareness of this bitcoin carnival thing, which should be the first goal.

Start of with a few cotton candy carts, ring toss, those typical games, but bitcoin themed. Like there could be a bitcoin plinko game, knock down the 'bitcoin', something like that. The admission fee should be low, or even free, to attract everyone's attention. It might be loss, since you have to set up quite a few stuff, and rent the land I guess.. Rides would be difficult, but it'll be nice if there was. Quite tough to make this a reality, hope everyone supports this!

i would expect that a small bitcoin carnival could be good, however it wouldn't help better to promote bitcoin i guess.
if i had a complete plan about the carnival, more likely it would be funded well because this could likely spread bitcoin out. admission fee could be really low as long as we could make a little profit and lets people to start to use bitcoin; free admission isn't eve possible unless we were assisted. in fact if i start this carnival project today, it could be finished within the March and publish on the same day. i would believe that the thrill rides could be a question because every single ride requires an authorization license.

[lottery248]

What a great idea!

So where would this fantastic festival be located? I hope I can make it...I'd easily pay $10-20.

L3X 0H8, not too far from where master-P is located in Aurora, Ontario, CA. L3X 0H8 was gleaned from one of lottery248's posts which have power supplies for sale, just like what master-P used to sell. Yes, lottery248 has distanced himself away from master-P, just like some of 100%-proven master-P sockpuppets have distanced themselves from Alex.

That would be one hell of a drive for me, but I think I'd come up there just for the drama.  And fried dough.  A good carnival must have fried dough.

L3X 0H8 isn't even suitable to setup a bitcoin carnival for that matter, the area avaliable is too low.
gleb i would wish you not to joke excessively here.

I apologize. I misread the post by you because of the sentence structure: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306301.msg13452849;topicseen#msg13452849

I'll safely assume you live in the US, thus ask, as others have, exactly where would such a carnival take place?

i live in hong kong, as you can see. :-/
there are some of the places like central zone to setup a carnival like TGEC just did, we could take place there.

[LuckyYOU]

Nice, I see you're keeping this thread updated, very nice.
I really do hope you will pursue this one day.

Since in this case, I would already be paying an entry fee,
I would have to vote for either $2 or $3

[lottery248]

Nice, I see you're keeping this thread updated, very nice.
I really do hope you will pursue this one day.

Since in this case, I would already be paying an entry fee,
I would have to vote for either $2 or $3

sorry dude, this is a fee about the game booths. 
fine if you have voted, however it won't be a good deal on that price, would you think so?

[Yakamoto]

Nice, I see you're keeping this thread updated, very nice.
I really do hope you will pursue this one day.

Since in this case, I would already be paying an entry fee,
I would have to vote for either $2 or $3

sorry dude, this is a fee about the game booths. 
fine if you have voted, however it won't be a good deal on that price, would you think so?

The fee would all depend on how hard the game is supposed to be, and how much it would cost to have the prizes available.

If the game was hard, you could make it cost $1 so more people would be inclined to try it, but if it was easier it should cost whatever amount more.

If the game seems to be too easy, change it out or ramp up the cost. Whatever is needed to make a profit.

[Kakmakr]

Admission fee's are usually implemented to control the type of people you want to attract. The higher admission fee, exclude some of the lower income groups and you would get people with a higher income bracket. The goal is to make money and if you attract tons of feet with empty pockets, you will make less money.

You should consider what group of people you want to target and base your decision on that. I do not like exclusion based on income, but rather exposure to everyone for the purpose of adoption to Bitcoin.

[lottery248]

Admission fee's are usually implemented to control the type of people you want to attract. The higher admission fee, exclude some of the lower income groups and you would get people with a higher income bracket. The goal is to make money and if you attract tons of feet with empty pockets, you will make less money.

You should consider what group of people you want to target and base your decision on that. I do not like exclusion based on income, but rather exposure to everyone for the purpose of adoption to Bitcoin.

i do not charge people a high price now, we would need people to start understanding bitcoin - that's the goal, we use thrill rides to attract people to join this carnival. we could decrease the price but would really need much more people to admit that carnival.