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January 06, 2016, 10:30:37 PM
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I checked this user profile trust summary https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=289011 and saw that IronMarvel is counted in Trusted feedback even though IronMarvel has negative feedback -2: -2 / +2

The question is how is it possible?

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January 06, 2016, 10:34:59 PM
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I checked this user profile trust summary https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=289011 and saw that IronMarvel is counted in Trusted feedback even though IronMarvel has negative feedback -2: -2 / +2

The question is how is it possible?

Let me know if I should move this topic to Meta.

I'd say this thread is fine where it is.

As I understand it:
 •  Anyone with positive trust rating is in your trusted feed back section
And
 •  Anyone that has been given positive trust from a member in your trusted feedback, they also get a trusted feedback "spot" in your section.

So, if you left positive feedback on a user, or they have positive feedback from a person in your "trust network": they will show up as being in your "trust network", possibly even if they don't have positive trust themselves (as one of the trusted members has given them positive trust).

EDIT: In your example, it will be "Blazed" who has more than 300 trust points, outweighing the negative trust with the positive trust.

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January 06, 2016, 10:38:01 PM
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I checked this user profile trust summary https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=289011 and saw that IronMarvel is counted in Trusted feedback even though IronMarvel has negative feedback -2: -2 / +2

The question is how is it possible?

Let me know if I should move this topic to Meta.

I'd say this thread is fine where it is.

As I understand it:
 •  Anyone with positive trust rating is in your trusted feed back section
And
 •  Anyone that has been given positive trust from a member in your trusted feedback, they also get a trusted feedback "spot" in your section.

So, if you left positive feedback on a user, or they have positive feedback from a person in your "trust network": they will show up as being in your "trust network", possibly even if they don't have positive trust themselves (as one of the trusted members has given them positive trust).

What color is showing you this account then? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=176914
I haven't give any trust positive or negative to that account.
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January 06, 2016, 10:46:57 PM
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I checked this user profile trust summary https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=289011 and saw that IronMarvel is counted in Trusted feedback even though IronMarvel has negative feedback -2: -2 / +2

The question is how is it possible?

Let me know if I should move this topic to Meta.

I'd say this thread is fine where it is.

As I understand it:
 •  Anyone with positive trust rating is in your trusted feed back section
And
 •  Anyone that has been given positive trust from a member in your trusted feedback, they also get a trusted feedback "spot" in your section.

So, if you left positive feedback on a user, or they have positive feedback from a person in your "trust network": they will show up as being in your "trust network", possibly even if they don't have positive trust themselves (as one of the trusted members has given them positive trust).

What color is showing you this account then? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=176914
I haven't give any trust positive or negative to that account.

No, it is from people with already positive trust, giving users positive trust.
Blazed has positive trust from a member with already positive trust.

Anyone with positive trust is in your trust network.

So, because Blazed is in your trusted network - so is this user. As, if you add the trusted users that gave positive trust, and the users that gave negative trust adding their trust scores will show if the user is in your trust network or not.

However, I don't feel that I can write something that is understandable as it is quite complicated for me to explain: sorry. (I hope you understand this)

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January 06, 2016, 10:51:43 PM
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I checked this user profile trust summary https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=289011 and saw that IronMarvel is counted in Trusted feedback even though IronMarvel has negative feedback -2: -2 / +2

The question is how is it possible?

Let me know if I should move this topic to Meta.

I'd say this thread is fine where it is.

As I understand it:
 •  Anyone with positive trust rating is in your trusted feed back section

No, only those you trust are in the trusted section. Who you trust can be modified, by default its those on default trust, e.g. me.

And
 •  Anyone that has been given positive trust from a member in your trusted feedback, they also get a trusted feedback "spot" in your section.

Im not entirely sure I understand it, but it sounds wrong.

So, if you left positive feedback on a user, or they have positive feedback from a person in your "trust network": they will show up as being in your "trust network", possibly even if they don't have positive trust themselves (as one of the trusted members has given them positive trust).

EDIT: In your example, it will be "Blazed" who has more than 300 trust points, outweighing the negative trust with the positive trust.

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What color is showing you this account then? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=176914
I haven't give any trust positive or negative to that account.

I see it as:
Trust:    Huh: -2 / +9


A user can have negative trust and be trusted at the same time. The rating and whether someone is considered trusted are two different things.

IronMarvel is an alt of master-P according to Quickseller.

They are on BadBears trust list which puts them on Default Trust level 2. If you want to remove them from your personal trust list, go here

-> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust

and put them in your list with "~" in front of the name. This will explicitly make them untrusted no matter what anyone else in the network thinks.
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January 06, 2016, 10:54:14 PM
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This is why he sees the user as having a positive trust from Blazed and others, but not the reason that his feedback can be seen on someone's profile.

IronMarvel is on default trust as he was added to a Level 1 member's (BadBear's) trust list. Even if the user receives negatives, he will remain on Default Trust Level 2 until he is given an overall score of -1 or less (which means he gets removed from 2-3 Level 1's trust lists) or is removed from BadBear's trust list; removing him from Default Trust Level 2 and stop his feedback being seen my default.

tl;dr the negatives don't matter as long as he is on a DT Level 1's trust list.

Also I think this would maybe suit better in Meta, don't quote me on it however.
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January 06, 2016, 10:57:09 PM
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I see it as:
Trust:    Huh: -2 / +9
That is because you are using a custom trust list. The rating listed in the OP is what you will see if the default settings are used.

IronMarvel is an alt of master-P according to Quickseller.
theymos also confirmed that there is IP evidence that says IronMarvel is an alt of master-P

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January 06, 2016, 10:58:25 PM
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I see it as:
Trust:    Huh: -2 / +9


A user can have negative trust and be trusted at the same time. The rating and whether someone is considered trusted are two different things.

IronMarvel is an alt of master-P according to Quickseller.

They are on BadBears trust list which puts them on Default Trust level 2. If you want to remove them from your personal trust list, go here

-> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust

and put them in your list with "~" in front of the name. This will explicitly make them untrusted no matter what anyone else in the network thinks.

Well this seems interesting as most(maybe all) users that have negative feedback are removed from DT
I have not modify my default trust list ever but it's not just me that i see red.
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January 06, 2016, 10:59:44 PM
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Well this seems interesting as most(maybe all) users that have negative feedback are removed from DT
They aren't automatically removed, it is done manually by the person with the negative trusted user on their trust list.
For this user to be removed, Badbear must remove him from their trust list.
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January 06, 2016, 11:02:24 PM
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Well this seems interesting as most(maybe all) users that have negative feedback are removed from DT
They aren't automatically removed, it is done manually by the person with the negative trusted user on their trust list.
For this user to be removed, Badbear must remove him from their trust list.
Who manges then the DT as i see that master-p is removed but his alt not?
Is only BadBear the one who has the access to edit the DT or and theymos
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January 06, 2016, 11:02:27 PM
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 he will remain on Default Trust Level 2 until he is given an overall score of -1 or less (which means he gets removed from 2-3 Level 1's trust lists) or is removed from BadBear's trust list
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No negative ratings can remove a user from the Default Trust Network, BadBear has to do it manually or has to be "overruled" by two others from level 1.

I see it as:
Trust:    Huh: -2 / +9
That is because you are using a custom trust list. The rating listed in the OP is what you will see if the default settings are used.

Yes, forgot to add that, thanks.

IronMarvel is an alt of master-P according to Quickseller.
theymos also confirmed that there is IP evidence that says IronMarvel is an alt of master-P

Theymos also asked explicitly to not use it as sole evidence.

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Well this seems interesting as most(maybe all) users that have negative feedback are removed from DT
I have not modify my default trust list ever but it's not just me that i see red.

Well, usually the negative ratings only stick if they are valid, thus it makes sense to remove them from DT.
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January 06, 2016, 11:03:07 PM
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Well this seems interesting as most(maybe all) users that have negative feedback are removed from DT
They aren't automatically removed, it is done manually by the person with the negative trusted user on their trust list.
For this user to be removed, Badbear must remove him from their trust list.

Does badbear specialise in trust? I thought it was Theymos that did that?

Also, unless given negative trust by a trusted user, that is more trusted than another user who gives the person poisitive trust, the user will then be in the untrusted list.

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January 06, 2016, 11:03:23 PM
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Well this seems interesting as most(maybe all) users that have negative feedback are removed from DT
They aren't automatically removed, it is done manually by the person with the negative trusted user on their trust list.
For this user to be removed, Badbear must remove him from their trust list.
Who manges then the DT as i see that master-p is removed but his alt not?

theymos manages the user "DefaultTrust", those on level one (e.g. BadBear, escrow.ms, tomatocage and doog) manage those on level two.
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January 06, 2016, 11:06:02 PM
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Well this seems interesting as most(maybe all) users that have negative feedback are removed from DT
They aren't automatically removed, it is done manually by the person with the negative trusted user on their trust list.
For this user to be removed, Badbear must remove him from their trust list.
Who manges then the DT as i see that master-p is removed but his alt not?

theymos manages the user "DefaultTrust", those on level one (e.g. BadBear, escrow.ms, tomatocage and doog) manage those on level two.
Thanks shorena, you are really a live and updated "encyclopedia"  Cheesy Cheesy
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January 06, 2016, 11:06:55 PM
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Does badbear specialise in trust? I thought it was Theymos that did that?

Everyone manages their own list. Since the default depth is level 2, BadBear's list has reach for all that do not modify their list. E.g. I am on level 2, so unless you set your depth to 3 it does not matter for you who is on my list or who is excluded via my list.

Also, unless given negative trust by a trusted user, that is more trusted than another user who gives the person poisitive trust, the user will then be in the untrusted list.

Again, the score does not matter. Trust or not trusted is decided by those that have the power to do so.
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January 06, 2016, 11:32:41 PM
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No negative ratings can remove a user from the Default Trust Network, BadBear has to do it manually or has to be "overruled" by two others from level 1.
I realize that, I was talking about the score on the default trust overview page.
Even if the user receives negatives, he will remain on Default Trust...
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January 07, 2016, 08:19:31 AM
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Had sent a PM regarding this a day or so ago, got a reply today
I removed him.


Thanks shorena, you are really a live and updated "encyclopedia"  Cheesy Cheesy
The information sho presented is common knowledge, but yeah I agree with the statement
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January 07, 2016, 08:20:31 AM
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Had sent a PM regarding this a day or so ago, got a reply today
I removed him.

I see the changes now, he has been removed from DT.
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January 07, 2016, 10:02:54 AM
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No negative ratings can remove a user from the Default Trust Network, BadBear has to do it manually or has to be "overruled" by two others from level 1.
I realize that, I was talking about the score on the default trust overview page.
Even if the user receives negatives, he will remain on Default Trust...

I see, probably misunderstood it.
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