Rollin.io is a scam !/?

[Alexastrozombies666]

And if you had any doubt, let me put it to you this way, today 1/12/2016 the admin appeared in the chat room of rollin.io and gave an explanation why the faucet was decreased and the timer was extended. Reason? Price increase, but failed to mention why the maximum bet increased from 5.8 BTC to 6.8 BTC ironic? 😐

[LoyceV]

You think they are in buisness because their websites are "fair" your joking right? Here is a defenition of provably fair " algorithm which can be analyzed and verified for fairness on the part of the service operator." thats right, the number is not generated until you place a bid, only then is the seed "randomly" generated, you dont see a problem with that? Its no different then calling head or tails on a coin flip, right after it was flipped already, and you can visually see the coin.

Don't blame the site for not understanding how provably fair works.

If you can't handle loss, don't gamble the money! Talk about a one-issue-bitcointalk-account...

[Alexastrozombies666]

Oh, you are one of the moderator clowns from rollin, im sure you have nothing but peachy things to say about your little scammy site.

[Alexastrozombies666]

"Talk about a one-issue-bitcointalk-account..." i didn't understand what you were referring to at first, and no, I DID NOT START THIS THREAD, and i belive i have clarified that incident already previously.  This only show's how immature you are by even trying to imply that i waste my time by starting silly and useless threads on online forums.

[mexxer-2]

This only show's how immature you are by even trying to imply that i waste my time by starting silly and useless threads on online forums.

You sure have to work on your english mate, because your definition of "immature" is just wrong. Talk abut starting the same argument when the answers are in the previous page.

[Alexastrozombies666]

I begg to differ, it was childish to bring up an old issue that was previously clarified some time ago. In any case, they throwing around all rhis technical mumbo jumbo jargon, but the fact remains, that the operator can see your bid, and yet hes the one that generating "random" and "encrypted" seed there after. You dont see anything strange with that? That the "random" seed is generated only after you place a bid, while he knows your exact bid and the ammount!

[NLNico]

... the fact remains, that the operator can see your bid, and yet hes the one that generating "random" and "encrypted" seed there after. You dont see anything strange with that? That the "random" seed is generated only after you place a bid, while he knows your exact bid and the ammount!

That is wrong. The random seed is generated before you place your bet. It is part of the hash that you get in advance. There is no way for Rollin to modify this seed without you noticing (if you verify your bets.)

[Alexastrozombies666]

No its not, the seed is not generated until the bet is placed. You people scammed and stole millions.

[NLNico]

The random seed is not even used in the roll result.

How about you actually do some reading before making these useless idiotic posts?

[mexxer-2]

Its rigged end of story. And rollin isn't the only one.

tl;dr you are a potato

In case you didn't get the hint, I was mocking your stupidity and ignorance even when all the evidence and proofs are presented

[Alexastrozombies666]

Haha, it dosent matter what you think or post, bitcointalk will delete your comments if it conflicts with their personal point of view.

[Brob12321]

Rollin.io is not a scam they are one of the larger bitcoin dice sites I have never had a problem with them, there faucet system is really good too the reward increases the more you roll.

[Alexastrozombies666]

We can argue about this till the sun explodes, fact remains its rigged. And rollin isnt the only one. The site/s are operated by computer engineer/s and web developer/s, and not actual gamblers, loan shark or bookies. Its true, i can not explain how they are exactly manipulating, my acknowledge is limited in this space.

[ColderThanIce]

i can not explain how they are exactly manipulating, my acknowledge is limited in this space.

Maybe you shouldn't be making these accusations if you don't know how bitcoin casinos, and their seeds work. NLNico disproved this scam theory on the first page of this thread.

[Alexastrozombies666]

Actually, it proves nothing there is a way to minipulate the outcome. It maybe true that the seed is randomly generated, but its generated by the operator. While he mught not actually program the seed for the outcome directly, he can still minipulate it in othwer ways. "You can check that the server_seed was not changed after making the bet" but not before

[dseamans]

this website confirmed scam?

I try register account and never found sign up link anywhere

dead?

[ColderThanIce]

this website confirmed scam?

I try register account and never found sign up link anywhere

dead?

As soon as you visit the website an account is created for you. It has a random username that you can change, and you can also set a password for your account. There's no need on the website for a sign up link so they didn't include one.

[Alexastrozombies666]

It's a scam, so dont be stupid by depositing your money there. I'm beeing constantly asked "prove" it, the only way to "prove" it in, you would need
1. a group of professional and experienced web designers/developers and programmers (which ironically, the operators of all these gambling sites just happen to be
2. Full administrative acess to the site
For the reasons listed above, it can not be other wise proven in technical terms, at least not by me.

[Alexastrozombies666]

Is this the algorithm code used to generate the seed?
// Create a length n array to store the state of the generator
 int[0..n-1] MT
 int index := n+1
 const int lower_mask = (1 << r) - 1 // That is, the binary number of r 1's
 const int upper_mask = lowest w bits of (not lower_mask)
 
 // Initialize the generator from a seed
 function seed_mt(int seed) {
Or this?

     index := n
     MT[0] := seed
     for i from 1 to (n - 1) { // loop over each element
         MT := lowest w bits of (f * (MT[i-1] xor (MT[i-1] >> (w-2))) + i)
     }
 }
 
 // Extract a tempered value based on MT[index]
 // calling twist() every n numbers
 function extract_number() {
     if index >= n {
         if index > n {
           error "Generator was never seeded"
           // Alternatively, seed with constant value; 5489 is used in reference C code[45]
         }
         twist()
     }
 
     int y := MT[index]
     y := y xor ((y >> u) and d)
     y := y xor ((y << s) and b)
     y := y xor ((y << t) and c)
     y := y xor (y >> l)
 
     index := index + 1
     return lowest w bits of (y)
 }
 
 // Generate the next n values from the series x_i
 function twist() {
     for i from 0 to (n-1) {
         int x := (MT and upper_mask)
                   + (MT[(i+1) mod n] and lower_mask)
         int xA := x >> 1
         if (x mod 2) != 0 { // lowest bit of x is 1
             xA := xA xor a
         }
         MT := MT[(i + m) mod n] xor xA
     }
     index := 0
 }

Or this?
def _int32(x):
    # Get the 32 least significant bits.
    return int(0xFFFFFFFF & x)

class MT19937:

    def __init__(self, seed):
        # Initialize the index to 0
        self.index = 624
        self.mt =

• * 624

        self.mt[0] = seed  # Initialize the initial state to the seed
        for i in range(1, 624):
            self.mt = _int32(
                1812433253 * (self.mt[i - 1] ^ self.mt[i - 1] >> 30) + i)

    def extract_number(self):
        if self.index >= 624:
            self.twist()

        y = self.mt[self.index]

        # Right shift by 11 bits
        y = y ^ y >> 11
        # Shift y left by 7 and take the bitwise and of 2636928640
        y = y ^ y << 7 & 2636928640
        # Shift y left by 15 and take the bitwise and of y and 4022730752
        y = y ^ y << 15 & 4022730752
        # Right shift by 18 bits
        y = y ^ y >> 18

        self.index = self.index + 1

        return _int32(y)

    def twist(self):
        for i in range(0, 624):
            # Get the most significant bit and add it to the less significant
            # bits of the next number
            y = _int32((self.mt & 0x80000000) +
                       (self.mt[(i + 1) % 624] & 0x7fffffff))
            self.mt = self.mt[(i + 397) % 624] ^ y >> 1

            if y % 2 != 0:
                self.mt = self.mt ^ 0x9908b0df
        self.index = 0

[NLNico]

I would hope not... if they use that Mersenne Twister generator, it's actually the players who can take advantage of this weak random generator and cheat the site. It's in a dice site's best interest to generate cryptographically secure random seeds.



At this point I am not sure if you are trolling or just slow in understanding. But if you are not trolling, you should really read a bit more about provably fair (https://dicesites.com/provably-fair and actually just the posts in this thread.) But I guess you are just trolling since you do no effort in trying to understand the provably fair concept and just keep saying pretty dumb things.