1 btc loan needed - multiple investors ok - possible high payout

[timeflux]

Hi Everyone. I'm looking for a ridiculous loan
1 BTC total, can be many investors or 1
This is a crazy risky gambling loan. I believe I can make 20 BTC tonight with it
And 60% 12btc back to investors, 8 BTC back to me

I have several seeds and accounts setup on dice sites ready to hit. 
Is it risky ? Heck yes, but the possible payouts are great

I've done it before only once but the thread technically was frowned upon but here's proof anyway
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=965118.msg10578869#msg10578869
Of with I won 12 BTC and paid back early

Only crazy risk takers need apply, don't even bother trollers commenting on the ridiculousness of this post.
Other high rollers: Lets do this !

Addy:17acGsuM9bks5isqyFizFJuRD4n2CqwAhh

First investors to invest get in on the crazy. 1 BTC total. Tell your friends
And message me or post here with TX ids

-flux

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[DebitMe]

As you already said, this is ridiculous and has no chance of happening.  You are offering zero collateral and on top of that, you are telling people your going to gamble with it.  Sounds like you have a problem and need to find some help.

Obviously this user shouldn't be trusted with any amount of loan.  Do not send OP anything since you have a zero percent chance of getting it back.

[timeflux]

You can't  read I guess. Its more like a 70% chance than zero. I ❤ trollers
Oh and by the way he's the one who just gave me the negative trust with zero knowledge of me. Thanks buddy ! High five !

[Brob12321]

Are you going to have a mysterious private investor loan you 1 btc again like what happened on your previous loan request for 1 btc.  If you know the guy in person that's one thing but besides that guy that loaned you the money last time, I seriously doubt you will get a hit. 

[timeflux]

this time no. I'm looking for unknown random investors that I don't know

[DebitMe]

You can't  read I guess. Its more like a 70% chance than zero. I ❤ trollers
Oh and by the way he's the one who just gave me the negative trust with zero knowledge of me. Thanks buddy ! High five !

Wrong on so many levels.  You do not have a 70% chance of 20X'ing your money.  That is impossible and the casinos would close if this were possible.
Second, I was not the first one to give you negative trust, you had another one on there from someone who didn't trust you.  So that is two times being wrong in less than 40 words.

I have all the knowledge of you that I need to accurately say that no one should trust you with any money and you probably don't have a higher education than high school.  So I put this challenge out there and if you can prove me wrong, I will change my trust to positive, delete my posts, and send you 5 btc to use in your gambling scheme.

Its a very simple challenge, prove to me, mathematically, how you have a 70% chance of turning 1 btc into 20 btc.

[icem3lter]

You can't  read I guess. Its more like a 70% chance than zero. I ❤ trollers
Oh and by the way he's the one who just gave me the negative trust with zero knowledge of me. Thanks buddy ! High five !

Wrong on so many levels.  You do not have a 70% chance of 20X'ing your money.  That is impossible and the casinos would close if this were possible.
Second, I was not the first one to give you negative trust, you had another one on there from someone who didn't trust you.  So that is two times being wrong in less than 40 words.

I have all the knowledge of you that I need to accurately say that no one should trust you with any money and you probably don't have a higher education than high school.  So I put this challenge out there and if you can prove me wrong, I will change my trust to positive, delete my posts, and send you 5 btc to use in your gambling scheme.

Its a very simple challenge, prove to me, mathematically, how you have a 70% chance of turning 1 btc into 20 btc.

It is simply impossible, OP is one of the thousands of fools that think gambling will help them make money. They think gambling businesses exist to give away money, when in reality they only exist to make money. They run a BUISNESS not a charity. High chances of victory results in loses for the company. The way the games are made guarantees that there is a greater chance of loss then victory. It needs to be this way for the BUISNESS model to work.

[timeflux]

ah sorry about the trust thing, I still don't understand it yet, I saw yours in bright red and assumed that was it. Apparently another user who has never dealt with me either, posted negative trust because I asked for a rep loan. This site isn't very fair if random members can add negative trust just because i posted something.

As far as the 70 % I have built up many seeds on dice accounts that have not hit a 97x multiplier in over 300 to 500 rolls average. In gambling they eventually do hit, that's why people gamble.
I've tested hundreds of thousands of rolls a 97x payout and the average losses is 270 rolls. My accounts are ready to hit soon, and even if one doesn't another one will. It's simple math and odds, that 8 accounts will not ALL go over 350 losses, it's damn near impossible because the sites only have a 1% house edge. One or many of them will hit soon.

[timeflux]

Challenge Accepted DebitMe:

also if you'd like DebitMe, i can PM you all my accounts and notes, so you can login, verify the rolls and seed #'s.
Or if you need a more advanced mathematical breakdown, I accept your challenge. But in a nutshell, if you roll a 100 sided die over 300 times and have not yet rolled a 100,
the odds are more favorable that you will roll one soon. I am aware of the gambler's falacy in this matter, however that only applies to one die, and unobserved phenomenon.
I have several dies (i.e. accounts) where i have already lost several hundred times, thus the observed odds which i have tested, prove to me that one of them, if not all of them will win soon.
If you'd like to test this yourself, find a dice-simulator and roll a million rolls at 97x multiplier, and you'll find the average observed loss streak is about 270. Sure in some rare cases, you'll see 600 or even 1,000 misses in a row, but this is so extremely rare, it would hardly ever happen several times on several accounts.

[Duomo]

No thank you, I will do this you if you provide legitimate collateral for this 1 Bitcoin loan. This is seems like something I wouldn't be interested in. 

[Amadues]

Yes is a ridiculous loan… just a small btc, why not get by your self?
and 450 $ so far is not a ridiculous loan, a lot of people live for one month at least with this sum of money

[Alaki]

ah sorry about the trust thing, I still don't understand it yet, I saw yours in bright red and assumed that was it.

Ironically, Those Red bright numbers below your account makes you a raffish member.

Apparently another user who has never dealt with me either, posted negative trust because I asked for a rep loan.

Critically, asking reputation loans makes you more raffish.

This site isn't very fair if random members can add negative trust just because i posted something.

They are not a random or normal member. They are on DT (special ones). They are pellucid/diaphanous for everyone. They don't leave trust for unnecessary reasons.
Practically, a loan of 1 btc asked by a Jr. member is anamolous.

[timeflux]

Gotcha i see the mistake of the reputation loan, but when i got that we actually posted in the thread about it not being a reputation loan, as I was unfamiliar with the rules / terminology at the time.
This negative feedback should have been removed since we clearly stated in thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=965118.0;all

As for the red trust badge warning I got today, it was because of this thread. I blatantly said my loan was risky and crazy, and did not attempt to obfuscate the matter at hand,
or pretend it was anything else. Thus I think because I warned potential lenders of the risk, and was honest up front, I should not receive negative trust for this post. Or should i have posted it in another section?

Please let me know and help me clear this up.

thanks!

[Amadues]

Gotcha i see the mistake of the reputation loan, but when i got that we actually posted in the thread about it not being a reputation loan, as I was unfamiliar with the rules / terminology at the time.
This negative feedback should have been removed since we clearly stated in thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=965118.0;all

As for the red trust badge warning I got today, it was because of this thread. I blatantly said my loan was risky and crazy, and did not attempt to obfuscate the matter at hand,
or pretend it was anything else. Thus I think because I warned potential lenders of the risk, and was honest up front, I should not receive negative trust for this post. Or should i have posted it in another section?

Please let me know and help me clear this up.

thanks!

For example, a thief was kindly and honest with his victim, then why send to jail?
He need to make another steal to another one victim?

Well, ask a ridicule loan, without collateral, and with the "potential risk to scam" it's equal to get a negative trust in a matters of minutes.

[timeflux]

That is your opinion, not fact. A scam is when someone tricks you, i am not attempting to trick anyone. But its ok I get it. This whole trust system is based on guilty until proven innocent, and people need to be protected from taking any risk whatsoever because they can't make their own decisions. If the world was run this way there would be no stock markets, loans or lotteries at all.  Good way to run things!

[helloeverybody]

So when you make your crazy bet and lose the 1btc then whats the chances of the lender getting paid back? pretty slim id say. Why wouldnt any potential lender just gamble the coin themselves ?

[timeflux]

Because as I mentioned I already have many accounts setup with many losses in a row. It is not a slim chance as you say.  Its simple odds really. Roll dice enough times and you do eventually win something, otherwise no one would ever gamble.I've already done the loss work, if someone instead chooses to use their own BTC they would be starting from scratch.  DebitMe I haven't seen you reply to my post about your challenge. Cat got your tongue?

[helloeverybody]

Because as I mentioned I already have many accounts setup with many losses in a row. Its simple odds really. Roll dice enough times and you do eventually win something, otherwise no one would ever gamble.I've already done the loss work, if someone instead chooses to use their own BTC they would be starting from scratch.  DebitMe I haven't seen you reply to my post about your challenge. Cat got your tongue.

Odds dont work like that though, If i was to roll the dice i would have as much chance as rolling whatever number i need as you would. Just because youve made x amount of rolls doesnt put you in a better position than anyone else to roll the number you want.

[timeflux]

Sort of correct but not really. Only when you are talking about infinite rolls, and not observed data. When you are talking about a coin flip 50/50 odds maybe, but higher multipliers not quite the same. Mathematicians talk about my positive expected value here: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/372638/100-sided-die-probability

[Vod]

If the world was run this way there would be no stock markets, loans or lotteries at all.  Good way to run things!

Bullshit.  Stock Markets, loans and lotteries are backed by the law and consequences if you cheat.

You are an anonymous account asking for irreversible currency.   It's the wild west in comparison.

Even if you won, chances of you keeping your word and paying out 12btc is slim to none.  You'd just make a new account.