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January 10, 2016, 11:10:43 PM
Last edit: January 10, 2016, 11:27:26 PM by manselr
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I just got rejected to enter a sig campaing because the guy that runs it said that I have negative trust, which is false, unless you take untrusted negative trust seriously, but it's even more annoying when the guy that sends you this valueless untrusted negative trust is a guy that actually has real negative trust and has been accused by a ton of people of being a troll that sends untrusted negative trust to everyone that doesn't agree with his views:

Trust:    0: -0 / +0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=381190

As you can see I only have this by him, and he has this:

Trust:    -8: -3 / +0
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=309759

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=309759

So I can't believe how unfair this is to me, that a random person ruins my account to enter certain sig campaigns only because the guy that runs it decides that every single negative trust counts even if they are untrusted and from trolls... something needs to be done.

What's even funnier is I don't even agree with what I said back then, I used to want a fork for bigger blocks and nowadays I changed my view. But it's still stupid that people can do this to your account only because you politely disagree in a discusion.. its just insane.
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January 10, 2016, 11:14:43 PM
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I would not worry about his feedback. Danielpbarron is a troll that no one cares about. His feedback means nothing to anyone.
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January 10, 2016, 11:20:20 PM
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I would not worry about his feedback. Danielpbarron is a troll that no one cares about. His feedback means nothing to anyone.

+1 this. About half of the feedback on my account is the same user on alt accounts.. "camelson" and "candystripes" both decided to go full retard on me, granted neither them nor their alts actually have fuck all for DT rating. Most feedbacks are bullshit, Although I deserve some of mine for sure.


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January 10, 2016, 11:29:16 PM
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I would not worry about his feedback. Danielpbarron is a troll that no one cares about. His feedback means nothing to anyone.
You are right, this should be the case, but the guy that was running the signature campaing rejected me thanks to this troll:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg13509823#msg13509823

This makes me sad, as I have been trying to contribute in a decent way for 1+ year and im about to become Hero Member. I hope this is the exception and most people don't pay attention to untrusted neg trust when hiring for promoting a brand (signature campaing) or escrowing services, because it's just not fair.
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January 10, 2016, 11:32:43 PM
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I would not worry about his feedback. Danielpbarron is a troll that no one cares about. His feedback means nothing to anyone.
You are right, this should be the case, but the guy that was running the signature campaing rejected me thanks to this troll:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg13509823#msg13509823

This makes me sad, as I have been trying to contribute in a decent way for 1+ year and im about to become Hero Member. I hope this is the exception and most people don't pay attention to untrusted neg trust when hiring for promoting a brand (signature campaing) or escrowing services, because it's just not fair.

Point him to this thread and let him see that was troll feedback... I also have a negative from him and I think I am still pretty trusted.
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January 10, 2016, 11:35:04 PM
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Point him to this thread and let him see that was troll feedback... I also have a negative from him and I think I am still pretty trusted.
Pointed out that the rule is stupid already but he seems to regard any troll's feedback still.
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January 10, 2016, 11:40:23 PM
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I would not worry about his feedback. Danielpbarron is a troll that no one cares about. His feedback means nothing to anyone.
You are right, this should be the case, but the guy that was running the signature campaing rejected me thanks to this troll:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg13509823#msg13509823

This makes me sad, as I have been trying to contribute in a decent way for 1+ year and im about to become Hero Member. I hope this is the exception and most people don't pay attention to untrusted neg trust when hiring for promoting a brand (signature campaing) or escrowing services, because it's just not fair.

Point him to this thread and let him see that was troll feedback... I also have a negative from him and I think I am still pretty trusted.

I told him that what my account has wouldn't be considered as negative trust by anyone with grey matter but for some reason he still refuses to accept me which is confusing.
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January 10, 2016, 11:41:13 PM
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Wow, those rates are pretty good for the sig campaign.

Welcome to the random-untrusted-negative-trust-by-some-guy-because-I-didn't-agree-with-him club.  We are a large organization but are always accepting new members.

It's fucked, but what can you do?  Try to convince rosswhateverini that the feedback system here is broken to high hell, else find a new campaign.

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January 10, 2016, 11:44:06 PM
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I would not worry about his feedback. Danielpbarron is a troll that no one cares about. His feedback means nothing to anyone.
You are right, this should be the case, but the guy that was running the signature campaing rejected me thanks to this troll:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg13509823#msg13509823

This makes me sad, as I have been trying to contribute in a decent way for 1+ year and im about to become Hero Member. I hope this is the exception and most people don't pay attention to untrusted neg trust when hiring for promoting a brand (signature campaing) or escrowing services, because it's just not fair.

Point him to this thread and let him see that was troll feedback... I also have a negative from him and I think I am still pretty trusted.

I told him that what my account has wouldn't be considered as negative trust by anyone with grey matter but for some reason he still refuses to accept me which is confusing.

Dont mind it, he's not believing it probably because he can see your profile having red mark because he gave it to you but he dont know that it wont reflect to your trust ratings if seen by other users. Just ignore it
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January 11, 2016, 06:37:01 PM
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I would not worry about his feedback. Danielpbarron is a troll that no one cares about. His feedback means nothing to anyone.
You are right, this should be the case, but the guy that was running the signature campaing rejected me thanks to this troll:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg13509823#msg13509823

This makes me sad, as I have been trying to contribute in a decent way for 1+ year and im about to become Hero Member. I hope this is the exception and most people don't pay attention to untrusted neg trust when hiring for promoting a brand (signature campaing) or escrowing services, because it's just not fair.

Point him to this thread and let him see that was troll feedback... I also have a negative from him and I think I am still pretty trusted.

I told him that what my account has wouldn't be considered as negative trust by anyone with grey matter but for some reason he still refuses to accept me which is confusing.

Dont mind it, he's not believing it probably because he can see your profile having red mark because he gave it to you but he dont know that it wont reflect to your trust ratings if seen by other users. Just ignore it

He didn't gave it to me, so he shouldn't see my profile as red... it should show just normally as 0/0 (neutral). I never realized the trust system was broken until this happened to me. I didn't even knew that guy gave me that untrusted neg trust until this guy told me I cant join because of that, no one else has cared about that before..
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January 11, 2016, 09:09:27 PM
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He didn't gave it to me, so he shouldn't see my profile as red... it should show just normally as 0/0 (neutral). I never realized the trust system was broken until this happened to me. I didn't even knew that guy gave me that untrusted neg trust until this guy told me I cant join because of that, no one else has cared about that before..

Have you considered maybe it's not the trust system that is "broken", but instead the guy that told you that you can't join his sig campaign because of some troll?  Try contacting the advertiser himself and mention his agent is doing a piss poor job.

The trust system is working as intended.  No wise person should look at your trust and view a single negative untrusted feedback from some troll with a -8 rating as bad.

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January 12, 2016, 12:40:40 AM
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Just join a different signature campaign. That particular negative trust counts for nothing though, not sure what's up with that sig manager but you will be accepted to most campaigns.

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January 14, 2016, 11:16:46 AM
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He didn't gave it to me, so he shouldn't see my profile as red... it should show just normally as 0/0 (neutral). I never realized the trust system was broken until this happened to me. I didn't even knew that guy gave me that untrusted neg trust until this guy told me I cant join because of that, no one else has cared about that before..

Have you considered maybe it's not the trust system that is "broken", but instead the guy that told you that you can't join his sig campaign because of some troll?  Try contacting the advertiser himself and mention his agent is doing a piss poor job.

The trust system is working as intended.  No wise person should look at your trust and view a single negative untrusted feedback from some troll with a -8 rating as bad.

You are right, but unfortunately stuff like this apparently happens. I have tried to be reasonable with the campaign manager (see thread) about this but he wouldn't give up on his decision not to accept me, even tho my posts are better than some of the guys already accepted, which cannot properly speak english (no disrespect to them and I also think people without good english deserve a spot to make some extra money in this fucked up economy) but you get the point... there's no real reason not to accept me, but apparently 1 untrusted neg feedback from a troll is enough to discard my proposal.

In order for this to not happen again I would make it mandatory that campaign managers can't use untrusted neg feedback to decide if they accept you or not (just as another rule of the forum) specially coming from red trolls. Otherwise, even if in principle the system is not broken, what happened to me feels as if the system doesn't work. Sure, I can just go to another campaign, but I would still do something about it to avoid situations like this from happening.
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January 14, 2016, 12:29:44 PM
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It happened with me too, you can read about it here (I was pissed too because it felt like an insult for doing nothing wrong) and this is the guy who left me negative for no reason (he is apparently more trusted), you can't do anything about that because sig managers have the authority to accept/not-accept any member. I didn't even try to convince the sig manager to accept me because I know its useless.

And this is when it is explicitly written on the trust page:

Untrusted feedback

These ratings are from people who are not in your trust network. They may be totally inaccurate.


Nothing can be done about this, sadly.

 

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