FLYCOIN & XDEII Forums, Da UnCensored Versions

[Argon18]

HERE ARE DA POSTS , that are being deleted by the Fly Propaganda Machine.

Feel Free to enter ya own without worry of Vegas deleting them.

Also if Ya want to Quote Vegas & Team Fly here and then post your Reply to their statements , all the better so we can have Freedom of Speech about this moral travesty called Flycoin.


Just Sayin,
AG18

[Argon18]

Vegas Dear Soul,
what ya fail to realize is ya was caught in a Lie and ya only admitted to it after being called on it.
What it proves is Ya will justify any change at any time, So No one can trust Ya won't change the rules whenever ya feel like it.
Ya most recent Fly Post is just another example, How MASTER Vegas must tell da slaves what they may or may not do.

Guys Ive really been looking over everything closely. Its my job. If I dont, then Ive failed you. So when I look at the rich list, if Im looking at it correctly, the transactions that appear as red are "stake to other" or "stake to exchange". Now this is why the price is getting pounded. The top 7 holders have sold NOTHING. I wont mention any names, but MANY/MOST people below top 7 are just staking and selling off everything they can. I dont want you to misunderstand me. I DID say its ok to sell to the exchanges for a profit. But I want you to notice the damage your causing. The price will NEVER rise, because your dumping every stake into the exchange, many of you. Then, you look to me to fix it. This time I cannot fix it. This is up to you guys. Its like this, when you dump on the exchange, then price goes lower. Guess what happens when you do the opposite? The price rises. So first, Im going to ask that everyone stake to themselves for a while. Youll see the exchange will be starved of fly, and demand will increase. This is NOT a rule. But, I WILL reward those that do not stake to exchange. The longer we starve the exchange the higher the price will be. I would say stake to yourself for a month or two, if you can. Then stake to exchange maybe one week out of 5-6 weeks. Youll get higher prices if EVERYONE does this. Again, its not frowned on if you want to sell all of your stakes, but when most people are selling to the exchange, you are drowning us all. Lets work as a team, and hold off for a month or two and starve the exchange, so prices will rise again. If everyone cooperates, when you do sell in 2 months, youll get DOUBLE the price. Can we do that?  Lets see how this goes, if its still a major problem in a month then I am forced to make changes. That might be lowering POS rate to 25% and extending min stake age to 9-11 days. Then raise superfly to 100% pos, and exclude you, as rewards are for those "supporting fly" and dumping every single coin you can is not supporting fly, its killing it slow. Its not something I want to do, but its my duty to protect this coin. Its a long term coin. There will be an gentle exit strategy in 1.5 - 2 years. So dont be in such a hurry. You know who you are, and I do too.

Vegas

This was always the predictable results of your Dictator style control and taxing a coin's interest and transactions.
Ya don't understand anything about economics, that why Ya are gettin ready to change da Rules AGAIN!!!
Funny da Fly coin , that is made dump proof is being Dumped!!!  

AG18

By the way, the reason this info is pertinent to XDE , is Ya Lied that FLY is Doing Well, (When ya own words show Fly is in da dumper)  so they should swap out their coin fer your Leadership. Ya Leadership is more akin to slavery for ya followers.
Fact Ya will change the rules on them and give yer self more interest when ya get da chance.

[Argon18]

Question for Fly Users.

How Many want Vegas to quit changing the rules and stealing ya interest.
Coin could be worth 1 Million Bucks , but if Master Vegas won't let ya sell, what good is da coin to ya?
Think on it before he blocks ya from selling even 1 Fly without his approval.
He is kind of like a Crypto version of Lord of the Flies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies

Just Sayin.
AG18

[crunck]

Hmmm an interesting thread you have here  

I'm a touch confused though, is this a bash at Vegas, Fly, or the proposed XDE take over ( of which I have no part or any XDE I may add ) ?

I presume it's the latter as that is where I first saw you muting your concerns over the takeover, if this is the case then should this thread title not read something like "Moderated XDE takeover talk" or similar ?

I don't see why you need to create a platform to bash FLY as you are clearly not invested, where as I am, and this thread is damaging my investment, and yes I read all about the inflated fee's before getting involved, and also no I don't all ways agree with what Vegas is doing but that is why forums exist, to have an open discussion about things, for example I don't like what has just been proposed for the new teared level of rewards for the 100 FLY per week going up to 500 FLY per week, and I shall be raising my concerns later when I get home from work.

I have no problems with you or anyone else having a go but have ago about the correct thing in the correct place, don't just bash a guy's other interests because something else dosn't suit you, you have an issue with the XDE takeover, as many people to do, and I can see why to a certain extent then keep it there.

Peace Out and please don't delete this it took me ages to write and its 7am  

Crunck

[Argon18]

Hmmm an interesting thread you have here  

I'm a touch confused though, is this a bash at Vegas, Fly, or the proposed XDE take over ( of which I have no part or any XDE I may add ) ?

I presume it's the latter as that is where I first saw you muting your concerns over the takeover, if this is the case then should this thread title not read something like "Moderated XDE takeover talk" or similar ?

I don't see why you need to create a platform to bash FLY as you are clearly not invested, where as I am, and this thread is damaging my investment, and yes I read all about the inflated fee's before getting involved, and also no I don't all ways agree with what Vegas is doing but that is why forums exist, to have an open discussion about things, for example I don't like what has just been proposed for the new teared level of rewards for the 100 FLY per week going up to 500 FLY per week, and I shall be raising my concerns later when I get home from work.

I have no problems with you or anyone else having a go but have ago about the correct thing in the correct place, don't just bash a guy's other interests because something else dosn't suit you, you have an issue with the XDE takeover, as many people to do, and I can see why to a certain extent then keep it there.

Peace Out and please don't delete this it took me ages to write and its 7am  

Crunck

No Bash, just a release valve where people censored by Vegas and Team Fly can express their selves ,
a separate forum was the only way to overcome their draconian censorship.

Ya Investment is being damaged due to bad leadership and a greedy takeover scheme of another coin, tryin to bring in capital to support Fly, when da majority of Fly users want to sell all of their interest. Human Nature has been ignored and Vegas attempts at controlin others actions thru intimidation is failing as it always has and always will.  If Ya want to save dis coin, then da Fly community needs to rise up and say NO to the Taxation without representation , as Vegas acts like King without allowing any dissent.
Plus Ya don't even really have enough coins to fully secure Ya Network, tech issue being ignored by 3 devs, cause their yes men.
Now if ya investing in Flycoin, would that not be useful info?

AG18

[xhoneyael]

Fly is one of the proof of highly manipulated coin
you cant sell your coin
there no place to use it
what will be the reason to buy it
i ask vegas before in trolbox in yobit ?
if he really a bussiness man what will be the target market of fly?
what will be our reason to buy fly ?
what demand we can expect in fly?
what he said is fly is not plan to go mainstream this is only plan for private group user can only sell pos reward
example if you hold fly you will just wait for some people to buy that coin
for you to break even and those people need also to wait for more
what if there will no people left interested to invest ? of course vegasguy will change the rules
does it not look like a ponzi that someday no one will be interested and you will be left out a coin without worth something
no one will buy it and no place to use i dont think there are infinite idiot who will keep buying it
and now its look like it will go down now because their private group cant buy it and no one is interested anymore
and looking for more victim using other coin communitty
he said fly is to fight those scammer
but the truth is he is just an ros investor who buy in high price
and been left out when the price go down and swap the ros to fly and keep dumping ros while on swap
to get lot of bitcoin to manipulate the price
its funny right? but its the truth
hope everyone is aware on it

[mObLOBScHAr]

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may I ask which address you will use as burn-address for the swaped-XDE-coins?

We are deciding weather to create a Platinum community wallet that will reward those that support  XDE2 or burn unclaimed coins. I know you want to know which way to go. Thats why you want the burn address to see which way you should go. You need to go with your heart man. My advice to you is hold your xde, and watch. It will be VERY obvious which way to go. If we create a community wallet , team members are exempt from getting rewards from it. It will be handouts to the community for supporting XDE2. Frankly I dont favor one way or another as I dont benefit either way. I need to hear intelligent feedback on this. This would be a way to balance the community and the team members.

Vegas

I didn't mean the address for burning unclaimed XDEII, I mean the address for the XDE coins, people will send you for the swap.
You said you want make it clear and transparent, then do it.

He didn't answer. Just deleting posts.

[mObLOBScHAr]

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seriously, what are you doing here?
stop posting fancy images. who what's to see that? that's no feature. that's just a picture and nothing worth!

why do you guy's think your team should get better staking wallets than any1 else?
You did nothing to XDE and only what to profit. compile some wallets with fancy images in it is nothing WORTH multiple BTCs.

what will happen with the unclaimed coins and 26.5% premined XDE II coins?

They will be divided among 5 team members. If everyone claims, we get about 53 coins each AFTER its inflated 7x like everyone else.

THAT IS SO FUCKING WRONG!
Who allowed you to do this?

Please keep in mind we are not just anybody. We are the best at what we do.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING US?
what did you do in the past to claim "the best at what we do"? What are your skills exactly? and I don't mean your absolutely useless graphic-designer skills.

Our team of 5 will be working on this daily. We dont work cheap, but we are the best at what we do, and give 100% to our investors every single day.

you want to legitimate your earnings inside your hyper-wallets with working hard. deliver something first. you claim here that much of this coin and did nothing yet.

XDE may be dead and you are trying to revive it. But this here is just ridiculous! You are trying to get 36 BTC for this wallets.
You want to sell those expensive wallets with better staking with absolute no eligibility. And like that's not enough, any coin which did not swap will wander to you and your "team of 5 ppl", just for the sake to politeness, convenienve, or WHAT??

srsly, I want some answers here. And don't come with "We deserve it, we work 100% every day".

and again:
crying is easier than working!

I'm not crying. I hold a bit more XDE than vegasguy, so I think I should be allowed to ask those questions and get some real answers.

why do you deserve that much BTC?? what are you working on?
compiling some wallets with different staking rates must be really difficult to claim over 36 BTC for it!

I encourage everyone to ask intelligent questions. Thank you. Lets make sure everyone is clear what is happening.
Thanks
Vegas

I did. I can't believe on of your team wrote "crying is easier than working!".
Is that how you should treat your community or investors? Do you think you will sell even 1 wallet this way?

Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

These will be the team that will run XDE II with intensity and dedication like youve never seen.

Vegasguy (Team leader,OP,financial analyst)
Woody (Highly skilled financial Analyst)
Keesdewit (Lead dev)
39Otrebla (works side by side with Keesdewit as dev)
Metamorphin (Highly skilled in business and PR, and support)

so, metamorphin looks really skilled in PR. looks like a good team you have. Looks like you deserve more than 36 BTC and a wallet with minimum 50%-better staking than anyone else.

come on.... really??

[mObLOBScHAr]

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why do you guy's think your team should get better staking wallets than any1 else?

Ok.. isnt it so common for everyone to go around claiming "we are the best", or "I am the king" blah blah blah. Clearly youve done no research on me or my team. Point blank: We have ALL proven it. I am the creator of FLY coin. FLY coin in 90 days has a market cap of 663 BTC and has passed price per coin of every single altcoin ever made, even dash and litecoin. FACT. You asked "who the hell am I". I , sir am a millionaire many times over. I personally hold millions of dollars in real estate all paid for free and clear. I own many businesses in Las Vegas that are shops, not bullshit. Real businesses that have done BIG things I created 20 years ago and are stronger than ever. THAT sir is who I am. I am an expert on business, money , economy, and Crypto. I retired at 39. I never have to work again. I studied crypto for 10-12 hours at day 5-7 days a week for over 1.5 years, traded every coin, traded on every exchange, built many massive farms for clients, and more. Did you miss my 3000+ posts? Being that active in 1.5 years , I have learned an enormous amount in crypto. THAT makes me an expert. So, now people will twist this, and call me egotistical, and that I brag. BUT remember this : YOU asked!!!!

try again. you did not answer my question. why do you think you deserve better staking wallets?

I have NEVER done that, and never will. My integrity, is among the top in Crypto.

That was not what I was asking for. You like to talk very much. we have seen that now over several posts in this and the old thread.
What did you deliver to XDE already? Fancy images do not count. Stop telling your lovely stories from FLY. nobody wanna hear that here.

We have already done enormous work. We have done so much so fast its insane. The blockchain is finished, The OP is finished, the graphics are finished, the wallet is finished (save graphics), and we are already talking about new ideas to bring even more value to XDE2. We are just DAYS into this project, and have done more in a few days than most devs do in 2 years.

And because of that you want to earn more than most devs to in 2 years - for your work you have done in not even a full month?

I AM THE MOST GENEROUS PERSON EVER TO WALK THE FACE OF CRYPTO. PROVE ME WRONG!

No. You want to sell us something. I don't have to prove that you are wrong. It works the other way round...

Acts of generosity and kindness. You have my FULL permission to contact ANYONE in these messages and verify its authenticity:

I totally do not care. Other coin. Does not matter here. This does not legitimate your salary here. you most-generous-person-ever!

THE DAY I ANNOUNCED THE TAKEOVER... Proof the community knows me and knows I do the right thing.

lol, look at the volume. all fake. for someone who claims to "studied crypto for 10-12 hours at day 5-7 days a week for over 1.5 years" this picture is a very very weak reasoning.

Thats very unfair. Just as I said in my post, now you get to call me egotistical. HE ASKED WHAT MY QUALIFICATIONS ARE, AND I ANSWERED.

No. Seriously, what the f*** are you talking about??? I DID NOT ASK WHAT YOUR QUALIFICATIONS ARE.
I ASK YOU WHY DO YOU THINK YOU DESERVE THAT? that is absolutely not the same.

again, here is my question. answer that.
why do you guy's think your team should get better staking wallets than any1 else?

 

[mObLOBScHAr]

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I'm trying to deliver more productive inputs as I posted earlier. I hope you can now better understand my considerations.
topic of this post: why I believe better-staking-wallets are bad.

So let's assume there are three people and the dev vegasguy, each holding 15 XDE before the swap, they get 105 XDEII after the swap.
vegasguy gets a Platinum wallet, person1 a gold wallet, person 2 a silver wallet, and person 2 as poor guy uses the standard wallet. each start with the same amount of XDE.

do show how drastically the imbalance of the different wallets increase very soon, here a short comparison how they each will perform with staking within 2 years.
All numbers are used from the image metamorphin posted recently, which can also be found in the first post (instead of 3 XDE, each started with 15 XDE before the swap).



We can see, that Platinum holds over 2083 XDE after one year, whereas a standard user with they same start amount of XDE only holds 771 XDE. Platinum gets 270% of what a standard user gets.
We can also see, that after two year this gets even worse, when Platinum holds 41333 XDE, whereas Standard user holds ridiculously 5670 XDE.

Conclusion, to stay competitive as a stakeholder, you have to buy a premium-wallet from dev.
To stake as good as the dev, you have to
1. spend over 2500 USD worth of bitcoins to get a platinum wallet.
2. be quick enough, there are only 2 of them available for public.


I made the spreadsheet above where all shareholders have the same amount of starting XDE.
As everyone ones, this won't be reality. There won't be many people which holds more than 10 XDE, for them it gets even worse, the longer the whole staking goes on.
Their coins lose value, because they loose shares. The only ones who got more and even better shares are those, who uses Platinum wallets with a high start amount of XDE.

I not only think, this is absolutely greedy. I think this isn't healthy for a coin. It won't work for long.
What can we do to fix this? Total span from 200% to 300% is too much.
I would recommend to forget the whole idea of different-staking-wallets, but if not, If you want to stay with this whole different-staking-wallets-idea,
you have to reduce the size of the span between lower-staking-wallet and highest-staking wallets drastically.
Just a proposal: Standard wallet: 200%, Silver wallet 205%, Gold wallet 212%, Platinum wallet 220%.
Another thing: the restriction of only total 2 platinum wallets (for public), only 5 gold, only 10 silver should be removed.
Make your calculations, even that's more than enough.

As price for the wallets, another proposal: standard wallet: free, silver wallet 0.1 BTC, gold wallet 0.25 BTC, platinum wallet 0.4 BTC.

I hope you no longer see me as a troll and consider my inputs.

[mObLOBScHAr]

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Actual holders have enormous power and influence. So I am good with burning unclaimed coins. As you are a major holder you can easily influence me. So I need to update and restructure it.

So the way it will look is 5 team members will get 53 XDE II coins each from the premine, and each get Platinum wallets. All unclaimed XDE2 shall be burned, ALL OLD XDE received shall be burned. It would be fair to give top 5 holders will get 1/2 price off any wallet. So does this sound more fair?

Updated this info on OP to make official.

Vegas

It's a start.
But you have to change a few more things to get this thing running good.

- Delay start of swap. So many unsolved questions / problems. no ready in 2 days.
- Consider changing wallet prices. Nobody pays 6 BTC for a wallet address. Or is there someone here who will buy that?
- Consider reducing wallet staking gap from 200-300 to 200-220 or even remove them (one wallet - same staking).

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Also 200%-300% is where it starts. There is no way it will end this way, and if XDE2 can sustain 200%-300% for 3 years without the impact of inflation, we will all have millions of dollars even from 1 coin and a standard wallet. But that WONT happen, it would defeat the laws of inflation, and the laws of inflation are universal and unbeaten. We started it high so we can cut the pos% down multiple times, and still end up with a firm attractive pos rate. Also all wallets cut POS % evenly. So likely in 2-3 years wallets will be cut in 1/2 % pos at least 3-4 times as needed. So we DONT get to enjoy 300% , for 3 years. Maybe 6 months, and if we are VERY lucky , possibly 1 year. When it cuts once, its now down to 150% per year, then it cuts again to 75% a year. We WILL cut the POS% , WE HAVE TO , or inflation will kick in and then the coin will die a slow death, and that will NOT happen. I will be closely monitoring everything everyday.  Not so greedy now is it?
Vegas

this does not change anything..


it's the ratio between the different wallet that matters, not how high it actually is.
300% (platinum) is 1.2 times better than 250% (gold).
but
150% (platinum reduced) is still 1.2 times better than 125% (gold reduced)
75% (platinum reduced twice) is still 1.2 times better than 62.25% (gold reduced twice)

I'm sorry, but your argument is invalid. Overall reducing does not solve this problem, it will only change the overall inflation rate, but this is another topic.

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I promise you if you post intelligently I will respond every time. The is one major issue with this. We will get around 53 coins each after its inflated 7 times from the premine. To get to 105 post swap, every member of my team has to hold over 7 coins, and I can tell you for a fact they dont. In fact to the best of my knowledge I am the ONLY one that bought coins. So if you want to calculate the 53 that we will certainly get 5.3% of the money supply, then please by all means post your chart. But your chart is not realistic as its not even close to what will happen. Thank you, and "keep it real"
Vegas

ok. you may be right for now, but...
topic of this post: why I believe not-used-coins in the swap should be burned

A total of 1000 coins will be premined. Any unclaimed coins will be divided evenly among the 5 team members. If everyone turns in their coins, each team member will get 53 coins

now with that in mind we play the swap-game in our mind a bit further:

I hold 15 old XDE coins. I won't participate in the swap. so 15*7 = 105 coins are not used in the swap and they will move to your team.
divide it equally among each of your 5 member, and each will get additionally 21 new coins each.
And from the activity of other shareholders in this thread I believe it will be more than 15 old XDE coins that won't participate in the swap.

those additional XDE's bring total unbalance in the whole system. keep in mind that you not only get more XDEII, you will get better staking with them!

[mObLOBScHAr]

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One wallet - same staking is not acceptable, because we have to be paid and dont work for peanuts! (its my personal opinion! )

and why don't you just get your payments through regular payments?
I understand you want to be rewarded for your work, but a better staking wallet is an exponential reward as a explained in posts before, and this is for me not acceptable.

Changing wallet prices: Vegas already did an offer...the top 5 holder pay 1/2 prices. You for sure a top 5 holder, so u benefit extremely!

I don't to this for my personal benefits. I don't care if I only pay 1/2 price, when others have to pay too much. Fairness for all, not only top holder.
Why only top-holder? With that you will increase the gap between high- and low-roller.. why do you want that?

Delay start of swap: PM vegas ur emailaddy, so we can discuss the "unsolved questions and problems" in a slack. Uki is also there

will do it, but I don't really understand why we can't do that here in public.
edit: pm sent.

(btw: no reaction, seems like he didnt wanna talk.. ^^)

[mObLOBScHAr]

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how many did already swap?

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Ok guys, I'm made my descision. I won't take part in the swap. I will stay on the only one true XDE.

I posted enough here in this thread that Dev should now know that (and what exactly) are several huge problems with this swap.

You loosing over 16 XDE from me.
You loosing over 10 XDE from marcetin.
You loose over 1,8 XDE from Dromedar.

Over 20% of the Old XDE coins won't take the swap.

Anyone else who don't will participate in the swap? Please PM me, I trying to revive the old-xde-community.

http://s18.postimg.org/6djdiwvzd/xdewallet01asdf.jpg

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vegasguy asked, what I would change on the whole swap...I wrote

I won't repeat again. I did it already several times.
Read the last 4 pages of this thread and you should know the major concerns we have.
There are also some proposals for adjustments.

after that, he deleted most of my posts, nice work 

most relevant posts now posted here. Don't like my posts deleted.

[crunck]

Hmmm an interesting thread you have here  

I'm a touch confused though, is this a bash at Vegas, Fly, or the proposed XDE take over ( of which I have no part or any XDE I may add ) ?

I presume it's the latter as that is where I first saw you muting your concerns over the takeover, if this is the case then should this thread title not read something like "Moderated XDE takeover talk" or similar ?

I don't see why you need to create a platform to bash FLY as you are clearly not invested, where as I am, and this thread is damaging my investment, and yes I read all about the inflated fee's before getting involved, and also no I don't all ways agree with what Vegas is doing but that is why forums exist, to have an open discussion about things, for example I don't like what has just been proposed for the new teared level of rewards for the 100 FLY per week going up to 500 FLY per week, and I shall be raising my concerns later when I get home from work.

I have no problems with you or anyone else having a go but have ago about the correct thing in the correct place, don't just bash a guy's other interests because something else dosn't suit you, you have an issue with the XDE takeover, as many people to do, and I can see why to a certain extent then keep it there.

Peace Out and please don't delete this it took me ages to write and its 7am  

Crunck

No Bash, just a release valve where people censored by Vegas and Team Fly can express their selves ,
a separate forum was the only way to overcome their draconian censorship.

Ya Investment is being damaged due to bad leadership and a greedy takeover scheme of another coin, tryin to bring in capital to support Fly, when da majority of Fly users want to sell all of their interest. Human Nature has been ignored and Vegas attempts at controlin others actions thru intimidation is failing as it always has and always will.  If Ya want to save dis coin, then da Fly community needs to rise up and say NO to the Taxation without representation , as Vegas acts like King without allowing any dissent.
Plus Ya don't even really have enough coins to fully secure Ya Network, tech issue being ignored by 3 devs, cause their yes men.
Now if ya investing in Flycoin, would that not be useful info?

AG18

First off the reply from you quoted above I am sure would not have got deleted on the original FLY thread, its both informative and in no way threatening but unfortunately due to people going over board and from what I have read "seriously over board" the FLY people had no choice as i see it other than to create a moderated forum.
I shall look into the secure network you have mentioned as I was un-aware of this.

I would also like to point out that other than xhoneyael's reply every other one bellow mine ( at the time of writing this ) is about XDE, so I would again ask you to think about altering the title to something similar to what I suggested earlier.

As said earlier I know you don't mean to, or at least hope you don't mean to damage mine or other innocent crypto users FLY investments but alas you are..

Please if this is all about XDE make it XDE related.

Cheers
Crunck

[siameze]

I can't put my finger on exactly why I decided not to get involved with FLY further, but some of the posts in this thread are relevant. It is rather strange that one can never do any real trading with this coin as the wallet is constantly in maintenace mode, or some other form of hidden manipulation is at play. I don't see a reflection of true value in the price.

I'm not generally a fan of Proof-Of-Stake coins anyway ... I started investigating FLY after someone said they needed developers. I only work with PoW coins because I believe that PoS is fundamentally flawed.

[Argon18]

I can't put my finger on exactly why I decided not to get involved with FLY further, but some of the posts in this thread are relevant. It is rather strange that one can never do any real trading with this coin as the wallet is constantly in maintenace mode, or some other form of hidden manipulation is at play. I don't see a reflection of true value in the price.

I'm not generally a fan of Proof-Of-Stake coins anyway ... I started investigating FLY after someone said they needed developers. I only work with PoW coins because I believe that PoS is fundamentally flawed.

in my View,
PoS coins with a Large Number of Coins can be more secure than da PoW coins.
But PoS coins tryin to be rare , have a limited number of coins and can not secure their network, also a problem for da nothin to stake issue , causes long gaps between finding new blocks. Fly has exhibited da nothin to stake issue , cause their are not enough coins available to stake consistently, IE. Longer Block Times than speced.

Others have stated that ,
PoS coins that allow staking of the same batch of coins in less than 10 days favor da rich, and are unfair to da poor.
would agree with dat line.

PoW failure comes from da design, economics make it unfeasible fer everyone to be involved , which gives da rich elite control and ya got another slave system in place and only da elite really profit from it. PoS with at least 10 days between stakes and a block time of a minute or faster keep dat rich and da poor on level playin grounds.
With PoS if anyone get 51%, simple solution wait 100 blocks or so and they used up their 51 % and have da wait for it da recharge.
With PoW if anyone gets 51% asics power they own da coin the entire duration, until new manufacturing and delivery can catch up, could be months or more if at all.
That is why PoS is a better survival option than PoW.

And from an earlier question i did own fly, sold off da lot, when interest Tax was added.

AG18

[Argon18]

Hmmm an interesting thread you have here  

I'm a touch confused though, is this a bash at Vegas, Fly, or the proposed XDE take over ( of which I have no part or any XDE I may add ) ?

I presume it's the latter as that is where I first saw you muting your concerns over the takeover, if this is the case then should this thread title not read something like "Moderated XDE takeover talk" or similar ?

I don't see why you need to create a platform to bash FLY as you are clearly not invested, where as I am, and this thread is damaging my investment, and yes I read all about the inflated fee's before getting involved, and also no I don't all ways agree with what Vegas is doing but that is why forums exist, to have an open discussion about things, for example I don't like what has just been proposed for the new teared level of rewards for the 100 FLY per week going up to 500 FLY per week, and I shall be raising my concerns later when I get home from work.

I have no problems with you or anyone else having a go but have ago about the correct thing in the correct place, don't just bash a guy's other interests because something else dosn't suit you, you have an issue with the XDE takeover, as many people to do, and I can see why to a certain extent then keep it there.

Peace Out and please don't delete this it took me ages to write and its 7am  

Crunck

No Bash, just a release valve where people censored by Vegas and Team Fly can express their selves ,
a separate forum was the only way to overcome their draconian censorship.

Ya Investment is being damaged due to bad leadership and a greedy takeover scheme of another coin, tryin to bring in capital to support Fly, when da majority of Fly users want to sell all of their interest. Human Nature has been ignored and Vegas attempts at controlin others actions thru intimidation is failing as it always has and always will.  If Ya want to save dis coin, then da Fly community needs to rise up and say NO to the Taxation without representation , as Vegas acts like King without allowing any dissent.
Plus Ya don't even really have enough coins to fully secure Ya Network, tech issue being ignored by 3 devs, cause their yes men.
Now if ya investing in Flycoin, would that not be useful info?

AG18

First off the reply from you quoted above I am sure would not have got deleted on the original FLY thread, its both informative and in no way threatening but unfortunately due to people going over board and from what I have read "seriously over board" the FLY people had no choice as i see it other than to create a moderated forum.

As said earlier I know you don't mean to, or at least hope you don't mean to damage mine or other innocent crypto users FLY investments but alas you are..

Please if this is all about XDE make it XDE related.

Cheers
Crunck

If da name Argon18 was attached to a post it was deleted in moderated Fly & XDEII without fail.

No intent to cause anyone financial loss, Vegas is causin dat all by himself.
Fly community needs to rise up and stop da stupid taxation of their property, dis forum gives them the option to speak freely, which they have no where else.
They can post whatever they would to like see changed here or post disagreements without them being deleted.

Dis Forum is about Flycoin , also XDE since Fly is attempting a hostile takeover, and the current Mental Status of Vegas , since he basically controls Fly with an iron fist.
Dis is the info , investors need ta know.
If Ya believed the sun rise and set in Vegas butt, then follow him off da cliff, it yer choice.
But if reason can keep ya from losing all of ya funds because ya following a narcissist , then hey that is ya choice too.

Good Luck whichever ya decide.

AG18

[Argon18]

Just throwing this out there as another option to consider.

I would like to see FLY Team (us - since I am part of Team FLY) to
do more for the little guy... to encouage them to start buying FLY and continue.

100 FLY is a long way off for most but, my suggestion would be someone
achieves 10 FLY and gets a 1 FLY Bonus, reach 25 get a 2 Fly Bonus, reach 50 FLY
get a 3 coin Bonus at 100 FLY get a 5 Fly Bonus and now qualified for SuperFly
wallet rewards. Any thoughts?

Here a thought

Quit Taxin the interest and lower da transactions tax,
dat would help the little guy more than ya Selective Welfare to da slaves.
Also dat transaction fee should only go to da Node that processes it, not to a wallet controlled by 1 guy.


AG18

[Argon18]

To save Flycoin ,

Dis is what has to happen.

1.  No more taxes on interest
2.  Lower transaction fee , and da fee goes to the node that processes it.
     dis give financial incentive to keep a fly wallet running 24x7
3.  No more coin wide decisions made by Vegas alone, whole community has to have input , and a way to vote , and da community vote is da controllin factor.
4.  Tryin to make a dump proof coin is stupid, it ignores the fundamental principles of economics, there has to be a rise and fall fluctuations in price to have movement.
     Old Sayin, Da cure to Low Prices is Low Prices.

What other changes does anyone else think need ta be made?

AG18

[Argon18]

All of your voices count. This is for you guys. The team gets nothing from Superfly. So you guys can shape it how you want. We just implement it.

Vegas

Operation: Venus FLY Trap
because we love our FLY

Observation: we can put buy pressure on the FLY market by selling our FLY 

i know not everyone has to, but i need to sell b4 i buy. So the idea is Sell, sell, sell, but be sure to return a greater number of either buy orders (or amounts).
 if you do this every time you visit the exchange then you'll be
#1 bringing home some fly all the time
#2 building a continuosly existing/growing buy pressure on the currency. (+ increasing activity/volume)
#3 (eventually) able to extract substantial amounts of your local currency ... without reducing your income

this in response @ requesting cessation of sav-send to 'topia

Innocent enough statement
Observation: we can put buy pressure on the FLY market by selling our FLY 

Problems with dis idea:
Say all of ya sell Fly at $5 , ya just created a sell wall that blocks upward growth,
Someone is dumb enough to buy at $5 and ya immediately create a Buy Wall at $2 ,
Well ya just created downward pressure on price in dat market, yer price has to decrease by over half before ya can buy.
And ya already have da Day Traders doin this to cash out for fiat without ever movin fly from da exchange or payin any fees.

Here is the thing that is crushin Fly,
People would prefer Fiat to Fly, until they givin a real reason ta prefer Fly to Fiat, it's price falls.
Day Traders will crush ya at dat market and there is no reason to buy ya coin cause of its current taxation system.

Just Sayin,
AG18