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[siameze]

as XDEII is really failing and vegas tries to bury my serious notes about the project I am double posting here this too:

Its about the XDEII swap, which looks like a total fail or scam: Once again: STAY AWAY FROM XDEII.

According to XDEII Wallet sourcecode, the Platinum wallets are:
1) xPXuZNkLM3Q4QfE8nE9f2qy1NC84HvhbpC   (vegasguy address #001)
2) xQvNsgihpvPwYwi8Gqij4X4sR9j5QwC3Y8   (team wallet address #002)
3) xLCXwwH81EiYc1o2Hwm7pRgvpHfvzx6Duj   (team wallet address #003)
4) x9J86i6hPhscv1HWU3UNf1S6o5at48aBfC   (team wallet address #004)
5) xGVXBBxSjrubr7QSBwuXKbmyG89yGdFjut   (team wallet address #005)
6) xMErPU5nDWhdAtGwBZsaC5xP4XzsJpsCNJ   (community wallet address #006)
7) xNApUfouAU4CKqM721umxSNJ2vxVHNLN9X   (unused, probably for sale #007)

No let's have a look at the pic of the swap from vegas guy: (click to see original image)


There were 7 transactions mentioned by vegasguy:

Transaction #1:
Old XDE ADDRESS: XZuV3JeVbR4ZCVXYZYr8DmRLpQRSDDqw83
NEW XDEII ADDRESS: xQvNsgihpvPwYwi8Gqij4X4sR9j5QwC3Y8
swapped 4.765 XDE to 33.3 XDEII. As you can see, the swapped XDEII-Amount went to team-wallet-adress #002
--> THIS IS A PLATINUM address with 300% stake.

Transaction #5:
OLD: XS1pNiXXYnLCr4Mt7iyp4PnJzF7EEpCeY4
NEW: xPXuZNkLM3Q4QfE8nE9f2qy1NC84HvhbpC
obviously the address of vegasguy, as he mentioned it multiple times in the last few weeks.
swapped 125 XDEII plus 53 XDEII as teammember. THIS IS A PLATINUM address with 300% stake.

T#2 went from XKU5xT3u43e78x6oTVqy8KecmZVKUJwtrS to XDEII xCCgTMnHDURpYuzzNYK3RZECJ2Hv1ytS4A (STANDARD WALLET): 05.49 XDEII
T#3 went from Xad9SsNcjFD83qWbeG1YsLUQymTY8rvMeX to XDEII xTK3uoKsCko5BKi9C6vG5UkFAkY2TQ5JmE (STANDARD WALLET): 29.61 XDEII
T#4 went from XNSuECRUiS86bRQcMZwcWqvfLHesUKYbpb to XDEII xApweneyFU9EVujgt6T9yTboqGiMtME7i3 (STANDARD WALLET): 50.19 XDEII
T#6 went from XPTVjEfPqo4FZ6sDAHrw7yugC4ThqphSJk to XDEII xMdCCC5CDHPmfLGjzD6vsvCU1zXN1RguLD (STANDARD WALLET): 02.75 XDEII

TOTAL "swapped coins": 35.26 XDE
Swapped coins from team members: 22.66 XDE

Now.. there is already a GOLD-wallet in use: xW8n21Fk5EdUQvganihZAWbrzESew1SkS7
It holds 10 XDEII. why is this not mentioned in the swap - where did the XDE come from to this account? (further mentioned as "UG1")
I will further assume, that those coins are holded by the community. But there is no proof for this!

There are 3 more addresses with totally unclear origins: Total amount in there: 9.4 XDEII.
No correspondig XDE-transaction found to those addresses. (further mentioned as "UN3")
(xN8u2PPCeEvS3DkQWtTMAu1PqXaYmCgWKC, xFKrAEPn7QnUJT7sMAFPWpS64SEWaexPCW, xGm7dyEnB4cNGWSYXgBFEjWicFASRV6YQN)
Because of that, it is not really possible to say if those are in possession of the team or the community.
I will further assume, that those coins are holded by the community. But there is no proof for this!

Now, let's sum it up:
Total XDEII:    1004.49
-------------------------------
VEGASGUY:       178.96
TeamMember-2:   086.59
TeamMember-3:    053.00
TeamMember-4:    053.00
TeamMember-5:    053.00
Community:      458.46
--------------------------------
TOTAL in TEAM:   883.01   (87.91%)

Why did I count the community wallet as Team-Coins? Because the team holds the private key of this address and can therefor control those coins.

Distributed among Community:
T#2: 05.49
T#3: 31.61
T#4: 60.19
T#6: 04.77
UG1: 10.00
UN3: 09.42
-------------------------------
TOTAL IN CIRCULATION: 121.48 (12.09%)

As already mentioned 1000 times before: Because every coin on the Side of the "TEAM" is staking with 300%, this gap between TEAM and COMMUNITY will get bigger.
Only 1 person of the community owns a GOLD-wallet with 250% stake-rate. Everyone else has to stake with 200%. This will get out of hand very soon.

So, yeah. All in all, looks like this was very successfull swap  . Good coin distribution! But as we know from team vegas in the past:
This won't stop him from telling lies about how awesome his Coin and his work is. 
(btw: He still deletes all my post from the XDEII-Thread. Pure censorship.)

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But all-in-all: THIS IS A GOOD DAY FOR XDE. The one and only true Double Eagle coin.
1 XDE before the swap was 0.95% of the total coin amount.
As we can now consider those burned 35.28 coins as gone forever, there are now only 70.16 XDE coins remaining in circulation.
This means, 1 XDE has now a weight of 1,43% of the total amount. That is awesome and will make XDE rarer than ever.

I have noticed a trend in "rarer" cryptocurrency over the past year. As the herd is thinned out each new coin has something to prove. How rare can you be?

[kiklo]

I have noticed a trend in "rarer" cryptocurrency over the past year. As the herd is thinned out each new coin has something to prove. How rare can you be?

I believe that rare coin design will all have 3 major issues to try and solve in the future,
 
1.   Due to the low # of staking coins , network security /difficulty will be weaker , as less coins are securing the network.

2.   Nothing to stake problem, where a big wallet goes offline,  and there are no new blocks for hours. Irregular block times causing payment disruptions.

3.   Price & Demand : Once your initial support base buys their coins, since you are so rare your price will be higher so what service will you offer that makes new people continue to buy the coin.

Looking forward to see what the different solutions to these problems are?

 

[siameze]

I have noticed a trend in "rarer" cryptocurrency over the past year. As the herd is thinned out each new coin has something to prove. How rare can you be?

I believe that rare coin design will all have 3 major issues to try and solve in the future,
 
1.   Due to the low # of staking coins , network security /difficulty will be weaker , as less coins are securing the network.

2.   Nothing to stake problem, where a big wallet goes offline,  and there are no new blocks for hours. Irregular block times causing payment disruptions.

3.   Price & Demand : Once your initial support base buys their coins, since you are so rare your price will be higher so what service will you offer that makes new people continue to buy the coin.

Looking forward to see what the different solutions to these problems are?

 

All problems inherent with most staked coins. I don't feel PoS in it's current form can sustain a crypto economy but there will be exciting innovations in the future I am sure. Cryptocurrency is still in it's earlier stages with many discoveries yet to be made.

[kiklo]

All problems inherent with most staked coins. I don't feel PoS in it's current form can sustain a crypto economy but there will be exciting innovations in the future

In that we would have a slight disagreement. 
PoS coins with over a Billion coins have solved issues 1 & 2.

Just to compare,
PoW all face an ASICS arms race that will always centralized a coin to the elite few as we already see with BTC.
Using brand new ASICS a firm could completely control a PoW coin network with 51% processing power,
which they will have until manufacturers can catch up, which could be months at a time.

PoS on the other Hand , even if you purchase enough coins to give you over 51% , due to the nature of a well designed PoS specs like 15 days or more before staking, right after you stake your mining capacity is reduced, so all anyone ever has to do is wait for enough confirmations to solidify the transaction.
Time will Prove a Well Designed PoS is the stronger option Over All PoW versions.

Plus a PoW ASICS edge could be Reused against multiple coins, being a cheaper option.
Buying a PoS coin is more expensive , specific to only 1 coin, and trying to buy up of a coin raises the price and increases demand, which will cause more people to stake , and make it harder to buy, increasing resistance to attack. 


 

[Argon18]

Ya know,

it seems Vegas slipped some of da Mods a little dough,

as dis forum was created under Altcoin Announcements , where it should still be!

but someone moved it to da Altcoin Discussion forum, without even tellin me.

And Vegas still runnin a give-a-way forum and dey say nothin to him.

Just Sayin.

AG18

 

[siameze]

Ya know,

it seems Vegas slipped some of da Mods a little dough,

as dis forum was created under Altcoin Announcements , where it should still be!

but someone moved it to da Altcoin Discussion forum, without even tellin me.

And Vegas still runnin a give-a-way forum and dey say nothin to him.

Just Sayin.

AG18

 

It had to be BTC they were slipped. If you get paid in FLY good luck getting that moved anywhere in a decent timetable considering there is only one exchange that accepts it (that I know of) with a propped-up price.

[Argon18]

Guys if you have any seller orders less than .3449 BTC , please cancel the low sell orders and move them back to .3449 BTC. Lets get back to that price. Also put buy orders in as they will keep dumping cheap, picked up a few XDEII very cheap already They are also placing very low sell orders in order to lower the price. Lets keep our orders at .34 btc and let someone get cheap xdeII

Thanks

Vegas

Translation:
Guys ya sellin cheaper that i am, so increase ya prices so i can sell mine. 

query: will Vegas Market Mind control set the price or will traders trade at their own whim. 

Just Sayin,
AG18

[elgimpo]

Vegas, deleting posts from your self moderated threads where more of your lies are being exposed only adds to their accuracy and proves you're out to scam people.
The latest one he is trying to hide is where his own trusted team members are starting to dump XDE2 from their special 'wallets' having stated point blank that no team members will sell.

Why try and hide this Vegas? Why not disprove it if its not happening? Because you cant and you've been busted... again. You're a snake.

Im very close with that wallet holder and there is NO WAY he dumped it down to were prices are.

Why, because you say so? You also said that none of your team members is selling. That was shown to be untrue.
Anyone can check the explorer. Its strange that you claimed to have checked it and still tried to state that nobody on your team was selling.
Simple mistake or more lies?

In fact 4 coins is what he sent to the exchange and MUCH more has been dumped than four coins

Wrong again. Its more than that. Your claim that no team members are selling is already disproven with 100% certainty. It's either going on behind your back and you are not so close to the person, you dont know how to read an explorer or you are trying to hide it.You can choose which one.

So there IS only one logical conclusion. Someone or a group bought massive amounts a few days ago to dump it cheap. Well, thanks for the cheap XDEII. You wont be able to keep that up too long
Vegas

No, the logical conclusion is that the wallet of one of your team members who you are very close to, is selling. In fact is indisputable.
Trying to pin the dump on people outside your trusted group is something you wish others to believe to be true

[siameze]

Ya Know, Dis just hit me.

From da FLY OP
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1316737.0

First here is a link to the SuperFLY wallet address: http://fly.dnsalias.com/address/FUvpVUAnEf9u4JPmVWymhV5o1BEvMQBcyP

The idea is aimed at helping "the little guy" that supports fly, and helping those that have had a major financial loss.
The fees for FLY transactions are VERY high. FLY coin is meant to be held and not traded or dumped.
The higher TX fees will make the SuperFLY wallet massive in a short time.
Anyone with a balance that is BELOW 5000 FLY and posts once a week about FLY to ANY social media, and has a done a name claim, and has validated their identity as an active member on bitcointalk.org or active in slack is eligible to get staking rewards from the SuperFLY wallet.
To remain eligible , you must NOT create any outbound transactions, and you must make a post once a week to any social media that is crypto related about fly and link back to FLY thread as proof
The staking rewards will be evenly sent to the different wallets automatically.
The rewards are NOT based on your balance. Its based on how many people qualify.

VegasGuy's Fly Forums is a Give-A-Way Forum , dose are supposed ta be banned.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=780979.0

Most giveaway threads are no longer allowed in the Alternate cryptocurrencies sections. From now on, posting or replying to such threads could result in being banned. Existing threads will be locked.

Specifically, you are not allowed to give people any incentive to post insubstantial posts in your threads. You can't offer to pay people who post their addresses, usernames, etc. You can do giveaways off-site and link to the giveaway page in a thread, but you can't give people any bonus for replying to your thread.

Just Sayin,
AG18

If they are promoting a giveaway on the forum, then report it to grue. He explicitly mentions these are against forum rules, see here:   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1349047.msg13778978#msg13778978

[elgimpo]

Ok, so just in case anyone doubted that this vegas guy was a dishonest liar and scammer of the highest order, I'll just leave another one of my deleted posts here from his self moderated thread.
This is multiple times now he has been caught out lying about his team members selling their laughable XDE2 premine. Trying to blame people from this community while his team sells just shows the depths he will go to to try and cheat people of a few satoshi.

On the bright side, the hostile takeover and his gigantic premine was a complete and utter failure. All it served to do was solidify the fencer sitters who were unsure about what a greedy lying little shit this guy is.
The only buys for xde2 have come from him and he is now begging his own team members to stop selling.

He now holds huge premines in the coins that nobody in their right mind would want to buy from him. Karma is a bitch Vegas.

Guys I checked all of our wallets again, and none of us are selling. So that means the same clowns are manipulating the market. My strongest advice is dont get suckered in to lowering your bid. What they are doing is buying from us and selling at VERY low prices. My advice, pull back all your orders to .34 BTC and make them pay that price to dump into the buy side at .04btc. If we ALL do this, they wont be able to do this for long.

Vegas

Outright lies...again. You are just going out of your way to scam people now. You clearly dont care about your reputation or integrity any more.

I already informed you once after you first lied about this, giving you the benefit of the doubt that even though you claimed to have checked, you simply didnt know what you were talking about but its obvious for all to see that your being intentionally deceitful now.
Again, your team wallet xLCXwwH81EiYc1o2Hwm7pRgvpHfvzx6Duj has sent coins to the exchange multiple times and is absolutely selling. You very well know it too.

Your response was to delete my initial post, proving what I am showing you is correct and you are trying to hide it from people. Predictably, You will delete this post too. Thats perfectly ok though Vegas, all of your attempts to hide the lies you keep telling just go into my scrap book on you as well as being posted in multiple threads for everyone to see. I am actually playing you like the fool that you are and you keep falling for it.

Oh what, another team wallet is selling: x9J86i6hPhscv1HWU3UNf1S6o5at48aBfC   

You know very well that your trusted team members are selling but choose to lie to people instead, its how you operate. Its why nobody is buying your greedy dishonest coins.
FLY and XDE2 are both massive failures, the laughing stocks of crypto in a world full of shitcoins. Its all because you cannot be trusted to tell the truth about anything.

Although this dismal failure of this hostile takeover was always going to happen, continuing to lie about it only proves what everyone outside of your collection of 3 idiots and paid off team members is saying about you. Youre a scam artist by pure definition.

Everything you touch is bound to fail and it wont change until you stop blatantly lying to people.

[siameze]

Thanks to all that keep this thread updated. It is helpful to expose the intentions of scammers, thereby reducing the amount of gullible people who keep funding this shit. No room for this sort of dishonesty in cryptoland.

[Woody20285]

author=elgimpo XDE thread
Wallet with address: xLCXwwH81EiYc1o2Hwm7pRgvpHfvzx6Duj is a team wallet.
It has been staking at a higher percentage than the community because it is a 'trusted' team wallet address. It's been moving coins to the exchange since launch, the latest one was less than 24 hours ago.

Edit: Woody - If you are going to make posts at least try to make them honest or opinions - not outright lies.
The above wallet did not have any transactions to the exchange yesterday or today or in the past 10 days..

http://xde2.dnsalias.com/address/xLCXwwH81EiYc1o2Hwm7pRgvpHfvzx6Duj
10th Feb 2016 17:58:43   31b9bb47c9d5be13d5999ef7fda453d7e0838187b269aec7d093ca48846a930a   - 1.21000002

The owner of the wallet did sent coins to himself.
Learn to read an explorer.

author=elgimpo XDE thread
Vegas, after having this pointed out to him in the scenario described above, still claims to have checked team wallets and declared nobody is selling.
Vegas went as far as to state that he knows this user personally...

Edit: Woody - Seems Vegas did check the block explorer and is correct and it's obvious you do not know how to.

[siameze]

author=elgimpo XDE thread
Wallet with address: xLCXwwH81EiYc1o2Hwm7pRgvpHfvzx6Duj is a team wallet.
It has been staking at a higher percentage than the community because it is a 'trusted' team wallet address. It's been moving coins to the exchange since launch, the latest one was less than 24 hours ago.

Edit: Woody - If you are going to make posts at least try to make them honest or opinions - not outright lies.
The above wallet did not have any transactions to the exchange yesterday or today or in the past 10 days..

http://xde2.dnsalias.com/address/xLCXwwH81EiYc1o2Hwm7pRgvpHfvzx6Duj
10th Feb 2016 17:58:43   31b9bb47c9d5be13d5999ef7fda453d7e0838187b269aec7d093ca48846a930a   - 1.21000002

The owner of the wallet did sent coins to himself to combine block inputs.
Learn to read an explorer.

author=elgimpo XDE thread
Vegas, after having this pointed out to him in the scenario described above, still claims to have checked team wallets and declared nobody is selling.
Vegas went as far as to state that he knows this user personally...

Edit: Woody - Seems Vegas did check the block explorer and is correct and it's obvious you do not know how to.

Doesn't this create a more centralized system and kind of defeat the purpose of having a trustless system? Kinda what crypto is all about.

[Woody20285]

author=elgimpo XDE thread
Wallet with address: xLCXwwH81EiYc1o2Hwm7pRgvpHfvzx6Duj is a team wallet.
It has been staking at a higher percentage than the community because it is a 'trusted' team wallet address. It's been moving coins to the exchange since launch, the latest one was less than 24 hours ago.

Edit: Woody - If you are going to make posts at least try to make them honest or opinions - not outright lies.
The above wallet did not have any transactions to the exchange yesterday or today or in the past 10 days..

http://xde2.dnsalias.com/address/xLCXwwH81EiYc1o2Hwm7pRgvpHfvzx6Duj
10th Feb 2016 17:58:43   31b9bb47c9d5be13d5999ef7fda453d7e0838187b269aec7d093ca48846a930a   - 1.21000002

The owner of the wallet did sent coins to himself to combine block inputs.
Learn to read an explorer.

author=elgimpo XDE thread
Vegas, after having this pointed out to him in the scenario described above, still claims to have checked team wallets and declared nobody is selling.
Vegas went as far as to state that he knows this user personally...

Edit: Woody - Seems Vegas did check the block explorer and is correct and it's obvious you do not know how to.

Doesn't this create a more centralized system and kind of defeat the purpose of having a trustless system? Kinda what crypto is all about.

[elgimpo]

Wallet with address: xLCXwwH81EiYc1o2Hwm7pRgvpHfvzx6Duj is a team wallet.
It has been staking at a higher percentage than the community because it is a 'trusted' team wallet address. It's been moving coins to the exchange since launch, the latest one was less than 24 hours ago.

Edit: If you are going to make posts at least try to make them honest or opinions - not outright lies.
The above wallet did not have any transactions to the exchange yesterday or today or in the past 10 days..

http://xde2.dnsalias.com/address/xLCXwwH81EiYc1o2Hwm7pRgvpHfvzx6Duj
10th Feb 2016 17:58:43   31b9bb47c9d5be13d5999ef7fda453d7e0838187b269aec7d093ca48846a930a   - 1.21000002

The owner of the wallet did sent coins to himself to combine block inputs.
Learn to read an explorer.[/color]

Vegas, after having this pointed out to him in the scenario described above, still claims to have checked team wallets and declared nobody is selling.
Vegas went as far as to state that he knows this user personally...

Edit: Seems Vegas did check the block explorer and is correct and it's obvious you do not know how.

You should have given up with your first failed attempt to hide the sales from the team wallets. Didn't you embarrass yourself and your team enough yet?
You're absolutely clueless for a so called bunch of self proclaimed crypto experts.

Here I'll make it easier for you. This is the destination address xCxDRx3gtowxmirCw4szdX5KTitvppiLjt
That is the exchange address Vegas himself admitted that this wallet sent a 'few' coins to.

See all those transactions against it? See if you can determine how that wallet address was funded. This is about as basic as it gets woody, I honestly cannot believe that you are still trying to deny this.

So please tell me again how I dont know what I am talking about, how I am being dishonest or how I cannot read an explorer.
I wont expect an apology when you realize that you are wrong either.. again. You and your team are not capable of doing so.

[Woody20285]

I stand corrected. I am capable of apologizing and do so here.

[elgimpo]

I stand corrected and therefore, apologize.

Impressive. Perhaps there is hope for you yet.  

Personally, I've seen your work on many threads over an extended period of time and do have respect for you as an individual. I do not believe you are intentionally out to cheat people.

Much like many of the Team fly members however, you are only doing your reputation harm by associating yourself with the likes of Vegas. I know you are also close personal friends and find yourself in a difficult position, but if you are more than happy to not just allow him to operate in the manner he does but join in and support his actions, you'll end up in the mud bucket right next to him in the end.

Now, Id suggest you discuss with Vegas who is 'very close' with this team member who is selling why he is making your team look like an group of deceitful liars.
Perhaps a good place to start is to post what is actually happening in the XDE2 thread, or you can let it go and allow people to be fed false information in the hope that they buy some of the Team FLY premine.

Your move.

[siameze]

Looks like I have been added to the delete all posts rule in FLY now, all because I dared to mention XDE2 in that thread and that it might be affecting the way people view FLY.
Which is absolutely true but now I am not able to participate in the community FLY rewards.

Not a good look Team FLY, horrible way to build trust. I got into FLY long ago and I really feel like I have been suckered now. Great way to treat people who invested with you.
Oh well, not the first time and it wont be the last but I am extremely disappointed that you would just delete posts without warning instead of responding to them.

Everyone seems to have issues with the XDE thing besides inner circle, hence the need to moderate posts.  Fortunately there are ways to preserve these things, if done poperly, there is no delete on the internet or the blockchain.

[Argon18]

Guys I have lowered the price on the high yield wallets. PM me if interested.

New prices as follows:

Platinum wallet: 300% per year cost 2BTC .ONLY 1 will be available to the public at the cost of 2 btc.
Gold wallet yields 250% per year. A total of 5 will be available to the public at the cost of 1.2 btc each
Silver wallet yields 225% per year. A total of 10 silver wallets will be available to the public. Cost 1 BTC each

So the POS cut wont happen for a few weeks, so you can benefit greatly now, and even after the cut, youll have an advantage.

PM me if interested.

Vegas

Translation:
Pay me BTC for these addresses that give ya more of dis worthless coin.

Anyone else noticed how Vegas changes the specs at da moment's notice without group approval.

Just Sayin,
AG18

[siameze]

Guys I have lowered the price on the high yield wallets. PM me if interested.

New prices as follows:

Platinum wallet: 300% per year cost 2BTC .ONLY 1 will be available to the public at the cost of 2 btc.
Gold wallet yields 250% per year. A total of 5 will be available to the public at the cost of 1.2 btc each
Silver wallet yields 225% per year. A total of 10 silver wallets will be available to the public. Cost 1 BTC each

So the POS cut wont happen for a few weeks, so you can benefit greatly now, and even after the cut, youll have an advantage.

PM me if interested.

Vegas

Translation:
Pay me BTC for these addresses that give ya more of dis worthless coin.

Anyone else noticed how Vegas changes the specs at da moment's notice without group approval.

Just Sayin,
AG18

OMFG is this for real? only ONE Platinum wallet will be available !!!!! (tm)

This is going full-blown MLM coin or something. I literally can't stop laughing at how daft these guys are.