Without government, would there actually be more theft from the rich?

[Elwar]

Does this happen voluntarily or does the rich shareholder threaten to kidnap the poor worker if they do not hand over their wealth?

poverty wage supplemented with food stamps vs destitution, some choice

to the capitalist exploiter taxes for stuff like police and prison service that protects him is not theft but laws that protect workers by making sure they earn the bare minimum they need to pay their rent and eat is theft

So...voluntary.

As opposed to taxes.

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[saddampbuh]

So...voluntary.

As opposed to taxes.

dont work for capitalist exploiter and be homeless/hungry

dont pay taxes and go to prison

[Elwar]

So...voluntary.

As opposed to taxes.

dont work for capitalist exploiter and be homeless/hungry

dont pay taxes and go to prison

One voluntary.

One not voluntary.

[saddampbuh]

One voluntary.

One not voluntary.

you dont like prison, they don't like going without food and shelter, both voluntary or neither

[Elwar]

One voluntary.

One not voluntary.

you dont like prison, they don't like going without food and shelter, both voluntary or neither

It says more about you than the point you are trying to make if you actually believe that the only way to go without food and shelter is by working for someone who is exploiting you.

[Daniel91]

We still don't live in ideal society so without government we will live in chaos and nobody will be able to protect us.
In such world, you may be rich but world around you will be without order or security and I don't think that anyone will enjoy in such wild world.
We still need them but of course we should defend our own freedom and free will.

[saddampbuh]

It says more about you than the point you are trying to make if you actually believe that the only way to go without food and shelter is by working for someone who is exploiting you.

let me guess, get better educated, work harder, get promoted and become a millionaire? someone else is still going to have to be the janitor and retail worker. capitalist/libertarian don't have a solution for how to provide for everyone's needs because that isn't their goal. their goal is to get rich themselves and fuck everyone else.

[Elwar]

It says more about you than the point you are trying to make if you actually believe that the only way to go without food and shelter is by working for someone who is exploiting you.

let me guess, get better educated, work harder, get promoted and become a millionaire? someone else is still going to have to be the janitor and retail worker. capitalist/libertarian don't have a solution for how to provide for everyone's needs because that isn't their goal. their goal is to get rich themselves and fuck everyone else.

Do you have to be a millionaire to have shelter and food?

[Anddos]

I've thought a lot about this subject. And I don't agree with many things, and many taxes are there just to bleed us dry, and without real purpose. But this is really the way things work. We cannot all be at the top.
The simple fact that you can walk the street safe is says something.
And over the years the living standard and life expectancy have gone up.
I don't know - maybe in an utopic future where there are robots and no one should work anymore, and everyone dedicated themselves to art and knowledge without monetary ideals it could work.
But it's in our nature to be violent, to try ant get power and be above the others.
That's why  many times religious communities appear and try to distance themselves from the majority of the world.

[ACAB]

Actually it doesn't change much. Some people is and will always steal. Rules are for rich people to cover from poor, but in no rule world still we couldn't stop inequality. Pro-anarchos couldn't find a solution to this. Even if you stop poverty some people still steal something.

[saddampbuh]

Do you have to be a millionaire to have shelter and food?

you have to be paid at least enough money to be able to afford them, which many workers in menial jobs are not, which is why government "theft" on behalf of poor workers exists

[mOgliE]

I'd say it's a rather easy question to answer.

Overs last decades, government became less and less powerful, they stopped taxing the rich, let the companies more and more freedom.

What's the result? Well the inequalities rised again and again. We just reached the cap where 88 people possess more than half of the earth population. I don't see why it happens. For me government could fix this, but they'd have to want it!

[madonnino]

the government is formed, controlled, bribed by the rich, so for me there is no difference between the government and not with the government. It would be the same, the most 'strong eat the most' weak, it's  'the Food Chain'

[Elwar]

Do you have to be a millionaire to have shelter and food?

you have to be paid at least enough money to be able to afford them, which many workers in menial jobs are not, which is why government "theft" on behalf of poor workers exists

Considering over 2 billion people in the world survive on less than $3 per day, most people can afford food and shelter. Taking a job where you feel you are "exploited" is not a requirement for not going hungry.

[mOgliE]

Do you have to be a millionaire to have shelter and food?

you have to be paid at least enough money to be able to afford them, which many workers in menial jobs are not, which is why government "theft" on behalf of poor workers exists

Considering over 2 billion people in the world survive on less than $3 per day, most people can afford food and shelter. Taking a job where you feel you are "exploited" is not a requirement for not going hungry.

Oh, wonderful dumb comment.
"afford food and shelter" means nothing. Which kind of food and shelter? Yes most people can afford rotten food and eating the exact same cereal day after day. Which leads to malnutrition and early death. Yes most people have a "shelter". It mostly consists in just a bunch of garbages assembled into a house shape but it doesn't rain on their head if it's what you mean. Well that doesn't mean they won't die of cold cause there is nothing to protect them from that but still.

People can afford "food and shelter" as you say. For sure. Just eat the dirt and live under a bridge. Won't cost you 1$!

[Elwar]

Do you have to be a millionaire to have shelter and food?

you have to be paid at least enough money to be able to afford them, which many workers in menial jobs are not, which is why government "theft" on behalf of poor workers exists

Considering over 2 billion people in the world survive on less than $3 per day, most people can afford food and shelter. Taking a job where you feel you are "exploited" is not a requirement for not going hungry.

Oh, wonderful dumb comment.
"afford food and shelter" means nothing. Which kind of food and shelter? Yes most people can afford rotten food and eating the exact same cereal day after day. Which leads to malnutrition and early death. Yes most people have a "shelter". It mostly consists in just a bunch of garbages assembled into a house shape but it doesn't rain on their head if it's what you mean. Well that doesn't mean they won't die of cold cause there is nothing to protect them from that but still.

People can afford "food and shelter" as you say. For sure. Just eat the dirt and live under a bridge. Won't cost you 1$!

Or be like this guy who has no job who is richer than all of us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF9TNM9R-iw

[mOgliE]

Do you have to be a millionaire to have shelter and food?

you have to be paid at least enough money to be able to afford them, which many workers in menial jobs are not, which is why government "theft" on behalf of poor workers exists

Considering over 2 billion people in the world survive on less than $3 per day, most people can afford food and shelter. Taking a job where you feel you are "exploited" is not a requirement for not going hungry.

Oh, wonderful dumb comment.
"afford food and shelter" means nothing. Which kind of food and shelter? Yes most people can afford rotten food and eating the exact same cereal day after day. Which leads to malnutrition and early death. Yes most people have a "shelter". It mostly consists in just a bunch of garbages assembled into a house shape but it doesn't rain on their head if it's what you mean. Well that doesn't mean they won't die of cold cause there is nothing to protect them from that but still.

People can afford "food and shelter" as you say. For sure. Just eat the dirt and live under a bridge. Won't cost you 1$!

Or be like this guy who has no job who is richer than all of us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF9TNM9R-iw

Oh yeah? And where do you find the 20k$ needed for the boat he has? With his incredible 1200$ camera he sure never had money... 
You're one of those dumbass saying that "it's perfectly normal if 1% of the world has more than 99%, cause it means everyone can go to the top" no?

[saddampbuh]

Considering over 2 billion people in the world survive on less than $3 per day, most people can afford food and shelter. Taking a job where you feel you are "exploited" is not a requirement for not going hungry.

so what you're saying is workers in developed countries should stand by and watch their pay and living conditions being eroded away until they converge with those of people in the third world who live in shipping containers and tents and survive on charity and foreign aid handouts. there's a reason libertarians poll at 2% and it's not that they don't get air time.

[Elwar]

Considering over 2 billion people in the world survive on less than $3 per day, most people can afford food and shelter. Taking a job where you feel you are "exploited" is not a requirement for not going hungry.

so what you're saying is workers in developed countries should stand by and watch their pay and living conditions being eroded away until they converge with those of people in the third world who live in shipping containers and tents and survive on charity and foreign aid handouts. there's a reason libertarians poll at 2% and it's not that they don't get air time.

Just addressing your statement that people have to be exploited or go hungry or go without shelter.

Being in the US we have more opportunities than the rest of the world, mostly due to more tyrannical governments in the other countries that do not respect property rights.

[Elwar]

Do you have to be a millionaire to have shelter and food?

you have to be paid at least enough money to be able to afford them, which many workers in menial jobs are not, which is why government "theft" on behalf of poor workers exists

Considering over 2 billion people in the world survive on less than $3 per day, most people can afford food and shelter. Taking a job where you feel you are "exploited" is not a requirement for not going hungry.

Oh, wonderful dumb comment.
"afford food and shelter" means nothing. Which kind of food and shelter? Yes most people can afford rotten food and eating the exact same cereal day after day. Which leads to malnutrition and early death. Yes most people have a "shelter". It mostly consists in just a bunch of garbages assembled into a house shape but it doesn't rain on their head if it's what you mean. Well that doesn't mean they won't die of cold cause there is nothing to protect them from that but still.

People can afford "food and shelter" as you say. For sure. Just eat the dirt and live under a bridge. Won't cost you 1$!

Or be like this guy who has no job who is richer than all of us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF9TNM9R-iw

Oh yeah? And where do you find the 20k$ needed for the boat he has? With his incredible 1200$ camera he sure never had money... 
You're one of those dumbass saying that "it's perfectly normal if 1% of the world has more than 99%, cause it means everyone can go to the top" no?

If you do some research you'll find boats like his for free quite often. I get messages at least once a week about someone giving away a boat. People get tired of paying dock fees and just give them away. I have a friend that got one similar for doing some lawn work for a guy.

And for the "dumbass" comment I welcome you to my ignore list.