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August 13, 2016, 05:27:07 PM
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Many gamble games are base on skills not in luck.. i think coin flip dice game or black jack are base on luck.
And poker and sports betting are for skills.. and other card games that you need skills to make profit..

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August 13, 2016, 05:27:10 PM
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skills surely work but you have to have them firsk and have the potential of learning it. there are many games that need your skills to even play them like poker games. you can't even play it if you don't know what it is and certainly you can never win if you don't have the skills.


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August 13, 2016, 05:31:41 PM
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Great gambler is able to use both of the skill and their luck. I can say it's difficult since they seldom getting synergy but nothing is possible as long as they keep try and you just realize that you have win big , today !

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August 13, 2016, 05:42:05 PM
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Poker, sports bet, and blackjack should be skillful games. Know the strategies and master the rules is the key of winning.

I agree with you. That three gamblings games poker, sportsbet and blackjack need skills. Especially on sports betting that i also gamble on sports betting.
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August 13, 2016, 06:09:35 PM
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Poker, sports bet, and blackjack should be skillful games. Know the strategies and master the rules is the key of winning.

I agree with you. That three gamblings games poker, sportsbet and blackjack need skills. Especially on sports betting that i also gamble on sports betting.

poker and blackjack pure play with strategy, but sportsbet still depends on luck, difficult to predict and sometimes unexpected results.
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August 13, 2016, 06:37:13 PM
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Poker, sports bet, and blackjack should be skillful games. Know the strategies and master the rules is the key of winning.

I agree with you. That three gamblings games poker, sportsbet and blackjack need skills. Especially on sports betting that i also gamble on sports betting.

poker and blackjack pure play with strategy, but sportsbet still depends on luck, difficult to predict and sometimes unexpected results.

Not really, sportsbetting is a bit of both. Sports aren't that difficult to predict; sometimes there are upsets but not often. You can always analyze games, and see how big a chance of an upset will be. For example, a game in the regular season will have more chance of an upset than in the playoffs, as most teams try their hardest in the playoffs, as they want to go all the way to the finals.

Poker and blackjack are also strategy mixed with luck; however, strategy can help you beat the odds for sure.
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August 13, 2016, 06:43:58 PM
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I was seeing this Section and saw many people saying that your Skill Work mostly in Gambling, Yes There are a few types of games where skill can also play some role, but in most games, skill plays absolutely no role. . Independence of events, Randomness and House Advantages are the most important concept in the gambling that one Should have Knowledge when you are gambling.

Let’s look at where skill does, and doesn’t, come into play.

Games Based Purely on Chance
(No Skill element)

1. Lotteries
2. Scratch tickets & break-opens
3. Spinning reel games on slots and VLTs
4. Roulette
5. Mini-baccarat
6. Craps
7. Keno
8. Raffles
9. Dice

The results of these games are produced purely by chance – skill plays absolutely no role. There is nothing players can do to become “better” at these games. Each result is chosen by a random generating device, such as a roulette wheel or a random number generator on a VLT, and each result is completely independent from all the other bets.

Games Based Mostly on Chance
(Some Skill element)

Most of the games that fall into this category are card or sports-based games:

1. Blackjack
2. Pai Gow poker
3. Casino-based poker games (3 card poker, Caribbean stud, Texas hold ‘em bonus, etc.)
4. Sport Select®
5. Sports pools
6. Horse racing
7. P2P

In these games, there is some room for players to apply their skill. While skillful players may be able to keep their cost of play to a minimum, the gambling operator will still always have a house advantage.

The reason that skill can play a role in these games is that players must make decisions that can affect the outcome. Players who make bad decisions will win less often than players who consistently make good decisions.  You can read More here

Good analysis, people who want to profit from gamble should look on Skill based games, then calculate their chances and expected value. If odds are on your side, you can expect to be in profit in the long run,
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August 13, 2016, 07:19:15 PM
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This is kinda funny reading the comments here.  Gamblers tend to ascribe to their luck an aspect of skill that is far too much.  It's magical thinking.   OP was right in describing the second category as mostly chance.   Skill does play a role,  but I think it's much less than a lot of players believe.

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August 13, 2016, 07:25:59 PM
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No such thing as any skill that can make you magically win at gambling.
Sure if they out think the other players in a match up in poker then yeah I can see that as a skill of being clever. But going into gaming you would need inherent cleverness to make it out with some money at least and not come out as a loser with empty pockets all the time..
at least I would think that is the case. Cause if you don't have money going in you can not play!  Cheesy
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August 13, 2016, 07:30:03 PM
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It only helps a bit in sports bets. You can't have or use any skills in purely luck dependent games like dice games. As i said, you either lucky or not when you play dice. Sports betting is a bit different though. You can study teams, players, managers and after your studies you may come to a conclusion about the winning team. Now, that study takes serious skills. Still, it doesn't guarantee anything, only helps a little.

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August 13, 2016, 09:52:58 PM
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It only helps a bit in sports bets. You can't have or use any skills in purely luck dependent games like dice games. As i said, you either lucky or not when you play dice. Sports betting is a bit different though. You can study teams, players, managers and after your studies you may come to a conclusion about the winning team. Now, that study takes serious skills. Still, it doesn't guarantee anything, only helps a little.
You nailed it dude. You still need a luck even if its a skill based games simply because it is gambling. If your a skilled player it doesnt mean that you will win it is just you have a bit of advantage.
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August 13, 2016, 10:48:44 PM
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I think I agree with your list but what do you mean by Sport Select® and Sports pools? Why not just sports betting, since although I don't know what those are, I believe they should be related to that. I do agree that you put horse racing in a different category, since they are very hard to predict. Also where is poker?

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August 13, 2016, 11:04:30 PM
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It only helps a bit in sports bets. You can't have or use any skills in purely luck dependent games like dice games. As i said, you either lucky or not when you play dice. Sports betting is a bit different though. You can study teams, players, managers and after your studies you may come to a conclusion about the winning team. Now, that study takes serious skills. Still, it doesn't guarantee anything, only helps a little.
You nailed it dude. You still need a luck even if its a skill based games simply because it is gambling. If your a skilled player it doesnt mean that you will win it is just you have a bit of advantage.
Yeah you should still need to have a luck in skills base games.. because every thing in gambling are need luck because its a card game or sports betting.
Almost all in gambling are needs luck in order to win even that game needs skills.
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August 13, 2016, 11:13:41 PM
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It only helps a bit in sports bets. You can't have or use any skills in purely luck dependent games like dice games. As i said, you either lucky or not when you play dice. Sports betting is a bit different though. You can study teams, players, managers and after your studies you may come to a conclusion about the winning team. Now, that study takes serious skills. Still, it doesn't guarantee anything, only helps a little.
You nailed it dude. You still need a luck even if its a skill based games simply because it is gambling. If your a skilled player it doesnt mean that you will win it is just you have a bit of advantage.

Because everything in gambling is based on luck although strat can help us track that where doing healthy gambling but still yet it cannot gaurantee us to win and earn money with it, but yeah the strat are working on some sportsbook since if you do some wise bet and a sportsfan and frequently follows the league daily will can get have advantage to point out who's gonna win and who is the underdog for that game.


But if you think theres working strat in dice game will throw that thoughs because it actually fools you since we can still lose with that remember house is still the champ in the end of the game.

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August 13, 2016, 11:20:50 PM
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This is kinda funny reading the comments here.  Gamblers tend to ascribe to their luck an aspect of skill that is far too much.  It's magical thinking.   OP was right in describing the second category as mostly chance.   Skill does play a role,  but I think it's much less than a lot of players believe.

Agreed there is only one skill based casino game I know of and that's this game called c.o.r.e. on betterbets.io
Other than that it's luck to think otherwise is madness.
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August 13, 2016, 11:49:07 PM
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This is kinda funny reading the comments here.  Gamblers tend to ascribe to their luck an aspect of skill that is far too much.  It's magical thinking.   OP was right in describing the second category as mostly chance.   Skill does play a role,  but I think it's much less than a lot of players believe.

Agreed there is only one skill based casino game I know of and that's this game called c.o.r.e. on betterbets.io
Other than that it's luck to think otherwise is madness.

Very precisely, many gamblers who contended that luck is a major factor in getting the victory, so that when they do gambling 99% how used is indiscriminate (original play) so that when they are aware of. They are very angry, embarrassed, lethargy, because large losses. Skills in gambling is absolutely needed, because gambling is a game
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August 14, 2016, 12:09:58 AM
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I was seeing this Section and saw many people saying that your Skill Work mostly in Gambling, Yes There are a few types of games where skill can also play some role, but in most games, skill plays absolutely no role. . Independence of events, Randomness and House Advantages are the most important concept in the gambling that one Should have Knowledge when you are gambling.

Let’s look at where skill does, and doesn’t, come into play.

Games Based Purely on Chance
(No Skill element)

1. Lotteries
2. Scratch tickets & break-opens
3. Spinning reel games on slots and VLTs
4. Roulette
5. Mini-baccarat
6. Craps
7. Keno
8. Raffles
9. Dice

The results of these games are produced purely by chance – skill plays absolutely no role. There is nothing players can do to become “better” at these games. Each result is chosen by a random generating device, such as a roulette wheel or a random number generator on a VLT, and each result is completely independent from all the other bets.

Games Based Mostly on Chance
(Some Skill element)

Most of the games that fall into this category are card or sports-based games:

1. Blackjack
2. Pai Gow poker
3. Casino-based poker games (3 card poker, Caribbean stud, Texas hold ‘em bonus, etc.)
4. Sport Select®
5. Sports pools
6. Horse racing
7. P2P

In these games, there is some room for players to apply their skill. While skillful players may be able to keep their cost of play to a minimum, the gambling operator will still always have a house advantage.

The reason that skill can play a role in these games is that players must make decisions that can affect the outcome. Players who make bad decisions will win less often than players who consistently make good decisions.  You can read More here

Yes Skill Works , I apply my skills when i am playing poker but in a poker where players vs players , Even with a bad cards you can win a hand by using your skill. Sometimes when i am already losing and i just want to leave even with a bad card i just bluff and sometimes i win the hand.
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Yes Skill Works , I apply my skills when i am playing poker but in a poker where players vs players , Even with a bad cards you can win a hand by using your skill. Sometimes when i am already losing and i just want to leave even with a bad card i just bluff and sometimes i win the hand.

In your post you clearly mentioned that you can win losing the game only sometimes with skill but all other games you still lose so in gambling along with skill, we need some luck also to win. Without luck I don't think we can win any bet or game always. I bet only one certain sure games to increase my winning % instead going after all matches and so for lucky to make some profit in sports betting with my skills and luck.
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Yes Skill Works , I apply my skills when i am playing poker but in a poker where players vs players , Even with a bad cards you can win a hand by using your skill. Sometimes when i am already losing and i just want to leave even with a bad card i just bluff and sometimes i win the hand.

In your post you clearly mentioned that you can win losing the game only sometimes with skill but all other games you still lose so in gambling along with skill, we need some luck also to win. Without luck I don't think we can win any bet or game always. I bet only one certain sure games to increase my winning % instead going after all matches and so for lucky to make some profit in sports betting with my skills and luck.

Poker is the one gambling game where you don't play against the casino but against other players. And you still need luck to win the game. Skill helps you in some games but overall luck is the biggest factor in gambling.
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August 14, 2016, 03:26:52 AM
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Yes Skill Works , I apply my skills when i am playing poker but in a poker where players vs players , Even with a bad cards you can win a hand by using your skill. Sometimes when i am already losing and i just want to leave even with a bad card i just bluff and sometimes i win the hand.

In your post you clearly mentioned that you can win losing the game only sometimes with skill but all other games you still lose so in gambling along with skill, we need some luck also to win. Without luck I don't think we can win any bet or game always. I bet only one certain sure games to increase my winning % instead going after all matches and so for lucky to make some profit in sports betting with my skills and luck.

Poker is the one gambling game where you don't play against the casino but against other players. And you still need luck to win the game. Skill helps you in some games but overall luck is the biggest factor in gambling.

Yeah , the luck is needed for getting good cards and when you must to raise your bet or fold your card.
But for video poker the luck is very important because you must choose right table to win that bet , unlike PvP where you must have the skill about card strategy and winning tricks.

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