Domain Seized: Is this common?

[cjmoles]

Who are these guys and what gives them the right to seize the site?  My money was on there...what do I do?

[Robertt]

Here's what I just posted on the other ore-mine.org thread.

Seized website #1; LibertyReserve.
Domain: Libertyreserve.com

Seized website #2; Bodog
Domain: Bodog.com

"Seized" website #3; Ore-mine
Domain: ore-mine.org

Website #1 seized website image hosted at; http://libertyreserve.com/Seized5_HR.png
Image name is Seized5_HR.png

Website #2 seized website image hosted at; http://bodog.com/IPRC_Seized_2011_05_Baltimore.gif
Image name is IPRC_Seized_2011_05_Baltimore.gif

Website #3 seized website image hosted at; http://ore-mine.org/Seized5_HR.png
Image name is Seized5_HR.png

Let's see the differences.
LibertyReserve  & Ore-mine.
Image: Exact same reason for seizing. Exact same name.
I would say it was a very big coincidence if it wasn't for the fact that they added the 45% discount & the new years mine. Luring people in, scamming & claiming to be seized. The funny thing is they didn't even bother changing the image name. Bodog & a few other sites I checked with similar images/seize messages didn't have the "Seized5_HR.png" name.

Most likely a scam.

[yohanip]

Was it a gambling website or was trading website? i had once experience, Liberty Reserve sized because they had something related with child pornography, i lost the balance since then.

[cjmoles]

Here's what I just posted on the other ore-mine.org thread.

Seized website #1; LibertyReserve.
Domain: Libertyreserve.com

Seized website #2; Bodog
Domain: Bodog.com

"Seized" website #3; Ore-mine
Domain: ore-mine.org

Website #1 seized website image hosted at; http://libertyreserve.com/Seized5_HR.png
Image name is Seized5_HR.png

Website #2 seized website image hosted at; http://bodog.com/IPRC_Seized_2011_05_Baltimore.gif
Image name is IPRC_Seized_2011_05_Baltimore.gif

Website #3 seized website image hosted at; http://ore-mine.org/Seized5_HR.png
Image name is Seized5_HR.png

Let's see the differences.
LibertyReserve  & Ore-mine.
Image: Exact same reason for seizing. Exact same name.
I would say it was a very big coincidence if it wasn't for the fact that they added the 45% discount & the new years mine. Luring people in, scamming & claiming to be seized. The funny thing is they didn't even bother changing the image name. Bodog & a few other sites I checked with similar images/seize messages didn't have the "Seized5_HR.png" name.

Most likely a scam.

I remember similar notices several years back when the US poker market crashed....Bodog was one of them then too.  So, you think it's not a real seizure?

[lumeire]

What was the site's content?

As far as I know if the website is registered and hosted off-shore then that "US entity" has no right to seize it, only the appropriate authorities in the off-shore country.

[cjmoles]

What was the site's content?

As far as I know if the website is registered and hosted off-shore then that "US entity" has no right to seize it, only the appropriate authorities in the off-shore country.

I didn't think that the US had a right to seize the domain name....I do know that in 2011 they seized Bodog's domain name though and they were in Costa Rica...so....??

This site was a faucet mining investment game....I now believe that the image was used to fake a seizure for an exit scam.  The scams just never seem to end...LOL...Now they're stealing everybody's click dust!  The site was ore-mine.org.  It's been around for awhile....it just blows my mind the thing's that are going on around bitcoin!  It's not good!

[The00Dustin]

Wasn't an image like that used during the original silk road seizure, which obviously really happened since the coins from that were auctioned off by the US government?  Also, wasn't silk road actually on TOR and not even accessible via an actual domain?  Point is they managed to get into the silk road TOR servers and "seize" them.  No reason they couldn't do the same with any other servers anywhere they have pull (I don't think the silk road servers were US based, but then maybe they had access to a US laptop that had an SSH signature entry or something).  Regardless, point is, with their technology lag, you can't count on a seizure notification from a government to be exceedingly accurate.  That doesn't by any means prove or even strongly indicate that these other more recent seizures aren't simply scams, but it should still answer questions regarding non-US domains being "seized" especially considering that many non-US domain hosts probably have US entry points where control could still be seized way easier than a TOR site could.

[mudiko]

If ore-mine was really seized, i am sure that there will be chances to refund. They just wanted to end their ponzi with a shocking image to look clear about the end of the ponzi. Domains don't get seized so easily. With silk road issue it was really huge and strictly against laws, but there is no chance that us kills the ore-mine and doesn't let people withdraw funds.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I thought this was a legit seizure as well, but Michell or another senior member in another thread pointed out the differences, and it looks like it's just a smokescreen.  In other words, a scam.  So fuck 'em.

[Edward_Cryptonit]

It does seem to be scam indeed.

The easiest way to check whether domain was really seized is to check whois data. Seized domain would be usually pointed to specific known DNS for seized domains and also  particular enforcement agency would be listed in technical and administrative info. In this case not mentioning the DNS I see some ukranian host, which will never be the case with domain which was really seized.

[digitalcoinbuyer]

It does seem to be scam indeed.

The easiest way to check whether domain was really seized is to check whois data. Seized domain would be usually pointed to specific known DNS for seized domains and also  particular enforcement agency would be listed in technical and administrative info. In this case not mentioning the DNS I see some ukranian host, which will never be the case with domain which was really seized.

That's what I was thinking.  It doesn't make sense to have them try to figure out if the other host will stay active or keep paying them.  The government takes over the domain and changes the nameservers to a server they control.  It's the simplest, easiest way to take a site down and send their message.

[AttorneyBitcoin]

Interesting. I'm sorry if you incurred any loss. As a BTC Attorney I have noticed a pattern in calls to my office complaining of BTC being withheld, accounts being frozen and the like. The individuals generally attempted to withdraw a large amount of BTC at once.

It is likely the company could not cover the withdrawal or that there was a fraud occurring toward the user. The lesson here for me is to never vest larger amounts in any given company/site and to never make sudden large withdrawals.

I have believed from the beginning that diversifying is key to long term viability of the BTC/Crypto investor.

George D. Greenberg, Esq.

www.attorneybitcoin.com

 

[Anddos]

Can they really just seize the domains and along with them people's money? That doesn't sound right.

[155UE]

Can they really just seize the domains and along with them people's money? That doesn't sound right.

Yes, the US can if the domain is hosted in the states. They only seize the domain though, if the hoisting is off shore.

[cjmoles]

Can they really just seize the domains and along with them people's money? That doesn't sound right.

Yes, the US can if the domain is hosted in the states. They only seize the domain though, if the hoisting is off shore.

Yep, they can seize the domain name if it's hosted in the US...but they can also work with other governments and seize domains in other countries.  They seized Bodog's  domain name temporarily in 2011 which was hosted in Costa Rica I believe....so yes, they can do it.  However, this particular event seems like an exit scam and not an actual seizure.

[Anddos]

Can they really just seize the domains and along with them people's money? That doesn't sound right.

Yes, the US can if the domain is hosted in the states. They only seize the domain though, if the hoisting is off shore.

Yep, they can seize the domain name if it's hosted in the US...but they can also work with other governments and seize domains in other countries.  They seized Bodog's  domain name temporarily in 2011 which was hosted in Costa Rica I believe....so yes, they can do it.  However, this particular event seems like an exit scam and not an actual seizure.

Jeez. I really don't get it. The internet is free, and they are struggling as hard as they can to stop that. The freedom that the internet has must make governments crazy. Well I'll tell you just one think - the fight will not stop!

[Jet Cash]

I don't understand what has been seized here. Is it the domain name, the website hosting account, the Bitcoin wallet, or all 3.

If it is the domain name, then you should contact your registrar, if that doesn't help, then you can take it to arbitration. If you have registered the name via your hosting company (this is very unwise for obvious reasons), then find out if they are ICANN registered ( a list is on this site https://www.icann.org/registrar-reports/accredited-list.html) if they are not on this site, then they are probably re-sellers for an accredited registrar. You can find out who the actual registrar is via a who-is lookup. An appesal to the registrar could help you to recover the name.

If they have seized your website, then that would probably be a civil matter, and I'm not qualified to comment on that.

If they have seized your wallet, then I think you should transfer the balance asap. If it has already gone, then other members here would be able to give you better advice than me. However, I don't understand why anybody would keep a wallet on a server that they didn't host themselves.

[crazyearner]

US government can seas any website that is working illegal or providing a suspect ponzi all the sites that have been seized that are listed where highly used for scams. Libertyresrve was closed down due to illegal  activity's and money laundering. Bodog was running without licences and if hosted and ran in US and not following regulations indeed will get closed down and suspended. ore-mine I was tempted at their site but this was still a gambling and type of pyramid scheme type investment. Soon as law and enforcement get wind of it will get closed down. Always take precaution on sites like this and never put in what you can afford not to be without.

[Anddos]

So then what's the point of having a website in the US? Just for the .us domain? I don't think that so much trouble is worth it just for that. They can keep their domain.

[cjmoles]

I don't understand what has been seized here. Is it the domain name, the website hosting account, the Bitcoin wallet, or all 3.

If it is the domain name, then you should contact your registrar, if that doesn't help, then you can take it to arbitration. If you have registered the name via your hosting company (this is very unwise for obvious reasons), then find out if they are ICANN registered ( a list is on this site https://www.icann.org/registrar-reports/accredited-list.html) if they are not on this site, then they are probably re-sellers for an accredited registrar. You can find out who the actual registrar is via a who-is lookup. An appesal to the registrar could help you to recover the name.

If they have seized your website, then that would probably be a civil matter, and I'm not qualified to comment on that.

If they have seized your wallet, then I think you should transfer the balance asap. If it has already gone, then other members here would be able to give you better advice than me. However, I don't understand why anybody would keep a wallet on a server that they didn't host themselves.

It was a bitcoin mining game where you invested in "mines" and after so many months you started getting a positive return on your investments.  There were different tiers of investment, a faucet, and I game of chance. One day I logged in and there was a screen that popped up which said that the domain name had been seized. I believe now that it was just an exit scam.  There were warning signs and I should have liquidated but...they got me.  I was already in positive return so...it didn't hurt too bad but it was messed up.