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January 22, 2016, 05:54:57 PM
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Chess forbidden in Islam, rules Saudi mufti, but issue not black and white
Game likely to take on status of minor vices such as music after Sheikh Abdulaziz al-Sheikh says it encourages gambling



Kareem Shaheen in Beirut
Thursday 21 January 2016 12.31 GMT Last modified on Friday 22 January 2016 14.20 GMT



Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti has ruled that chess is forbidden in Islam, saying it encourages gambling and is a waste of time.

Sheikh Abdulaziz al-Sheikh was answering a question on a television show in which he issues fatwas in response to viewers’ queries on everyday religious matters.

He said chess was “included under gambling” and was “a waste of time and money and a cause for hatred and enmity between players”.

 Chess is gloriously rebellious. Maybe that’s what Saudi Arabia’s mufti fears

Sheikh justified the ruling by referring to the verse in the Qur’an banning “intoxicants, gambling, idolatry and divination”. It is not clear when the fatwa was delivered.

Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, Iraq’s supreme Shia religious authority, has previously issued rulings forbidding chess.

After the 1979 Islamic revolution, playing chess was banned in public in Iran and declared haram, or forbidden, by senior clerics because it was associated with gambling. But in 1988, Iran’s then supreme leader, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, lifted the ban and said it was permissible as long as it was not a means of gambling. Iran now has an active confederation for playing chess and sends players to international games.

Moves to suppress chess are likely to have come as a surprise to the seventh-century Muslims who conquered Persia and adopted the game before exporting it to Europe.

Muslim scholars tend to place chess, a skill-based game, in a different category from games of chance, such as dice, but frown upon it if it distracts a person from performing the five daily prayers. Placing bets under any circumstances is forbidden.

Nigel Short, the British chess grandmaster, told the BBC that forbidding chess in Saudi Arabia would be a “great tragedy”. “I don’t consider chess to be a threat to society. It is not something that is so depraved as to corrupt morals,” he said. “Even Ayatollah Khomeini came to the conclusion that he’d gone too far and repealed his own ban.”

The region’s clerical establishment figures are no strangers to seemingly strange fatwas, or edicts. In the early 2000s, Saudi and other clerics issued a fatwa against the popular Pokémon franchise, and during football’s 2010 World Cup in South Africa, religious scholars in the United Arab Emirates said that using the widely reviled vuvuzela instrument was forbidden if the sound produced was above 100 decibels.

It is unlikely that Sheikh’s ruling will be enforced, and more plausible that chess will be relegated to the status of other minor vices, such as music, which many in the clerical establishment frown upon. Moreover, since the ruling was in response to a specific question, it was probably meant as an advisory opinion rather than a formal edict.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/21/chess-forbidden-in-islam-rules-saudi-arabia-grand-mufti#img-1

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January 22, 2016, 08:16:23 PM
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I guess the mufti realized that if people playing chess, they will inevitably start thinking. A wahhabi who is thinking...?!? That would be the end of the world as they know it Smiley.
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January 22, 2016, 08:38:15 PM
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I guess the mufti realized that if people playing chess, they will inevitably start thinking. A wahhabi who is thinking...?!? That would be the end of the world as they know it Smiley.

I think that it might also be simply because that's something close to distraction. And they don't want anyone to be distracted from God :/

But yeah result is the same. Chess is not important by itself. But I bet they ban everything developping your mind... That's what happens with religions...

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January 22, 2016, 09:04:57 PM
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I guess the mufti realized that if people playing chess, they will inevitably start thinking. A wahhabi who is thinking...?!? That would be the end of the world as they know it Smiley.

I think that it might also be simply because that's something close to distraction. And they don't want anyone to be distracted from God :/

But yeah result is the same. Chess is not important by itself. But I bet they ban everything developping your mind... That's what happens with religions...


"God does not play dice", said Einstein. Allah does not play chess, according to a saudi mufti...

 Cheesy Grin Cheesy

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I guess the mufti realized that if people playing chess, they will inevitably start thinking. A wahhabi who is thinking...?!? That would be the end of the world as they know it Smiley.

I think that it might also be simply because that's something close to distraction. And they don't want anyone to be distracted from God :/

But yeah result is the same. Chess is not important by itself. But I bet they ban everything developping your mind... That's what happens with religions...


"God does not play dice", said Einstein. Allah does not play chess, according to a saudi mufti...

 Cheesy Grin Cheesy



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January 22, 2016, 09:33:21 PM
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The Saudis are patzers, their top player is ELO 2195 and number 25 on the list ELO 1008 (slightly better than your next chimpanzee). But the small Gulf kingdoms have quite good players and Iran and Egypt are decent chess powers. Turkey has lots of good players.

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January 22, 2016, 09:36:56 PM
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And obviously most of the former Soviet Muslim regions are formidable in chess as you´d expect. Their players are the usual Soviet School.

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January 23, 2016, 12:42:12 AM
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I'm surprised with this. I know it's impossible in a Muslim country to go in a cafe and play poker, but I've seen people playing checkers. It's only gambling, playing with money, which is forbidden. Chess, or checkers, have never been associated with money. Why is that mufti saying it is?

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January 23, 2016, 04:07:43 AM
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It seems to be an old fatwa which has been reiterated.
As long as it is not enforced, people shouldn't have any problems.


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January 23, 2016, 06:08:36 AM
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Playing chess can improve your intelligence, and that makes it hard for someone to brainwash you. This was probably the reason why the Wahhabi cleric banned chess. Any idea about the next targets? Here are some of them:

1. Muslims banned from taking bath
2. Muslims banned from using condoms
3. Muslims banned from drinking pineapple juice
4. Muslims banned from reading and writing, using any language
5. Muslims banned from wearing clothes which are not plain-white.
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January 23, 2016, 07:25:34 AM
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It's good to see they are making sure there is no hatred in Islam. Smiley

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Those medieval fruitcakes are the dearest of darlings of those who for some mysterious reasons get voted into power here and there. But of course like seeks like. Horse manure goes well with cow dung.

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I guess the mufti realized that if people playing chess, they will inevitably start thinking. A wahhabi who is thinking...?!? That would be the end of the world as they know it Smiley.

 Grin thats a good point , to play good chess you need brains ,i doubt they have any idea about chess and so is the reason they could find a way to curb the freedom of people one way or the other. how can someone live their with these kind of rules. no booze nothing.. but the rich saudis go elsewhere to enjoy only the normal citizen have to bear this tough laws ..
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January 23, 2016, 09:55:07 AM
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Playing chess can improve your intelligence, and that makes it hard for someone to brainwash you. This was probably the reason why the Wahhabi cleric banned chess. Any idea about the next targets? Here are some of them:

1. Muslims banned from taking bath
2. Muslims banned from using condoms
3. Muslims banned from drinking pineapple juice
4. Muslims banned from reading and writing, using any language
5. Muslims banned from wearing clothes which are not plain-white.

No heterosexual sex?
That should solve a lot of problems in this world.  Grin


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It's really funny to read such stupid things Smiley
Some other Muslim people was killed because of books they wrote or read, because they didn't have a beard, or listened wrong music (Afghanistan for example) etc.
Many people in the West already have a belief that Islam is backward and radical religion, and stories like this will not help to change views on Islam.
I think it's time that Islam change, and become more tolerant and open to others.
I hope it's not too late to see such positive changes in Islam

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This is so stupid. It goes to show you just how backwards Saudi Arabia is. They would be nothing without oil money.
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Chess forbidden in Islam, rules Saudi mufti, but issue not black and white
Game likely to take on status of minor vices such as music after Sheikh Abdulaziz al-Sheikh says it encourages gambling



Kareem Shaheen in Beirut
Thursday 21 January 2016 12.31 GMT Last modified on Friday 22 January 2016 14.20 GMT



Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti has ruled that chess is forbidden in Islam, saying it encourages gambling and is a waste of time.

Sheikh Abdulaziz al-Sheikh was answering a question on a television show in which he issues fatwas in response to viewers’ queries on everyday religious matters.

He said chess was “included under gambling” and was “a waste of time and money and a cause for hatred and enmity between players”.

 Chess is gloriously rebellious. Maybe that’s what Saudi Arabia’s mufti fears

Sheikh justified the ruling by referring to the verse in the Qur’an banning “intoxicants, gambling, idolatry and divination”. It is not clear when the fatwa was delivered.

Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, Iraq’s supreme Shia religious authority, has previously issued rulings forbidding chess.

After the 1979 Islamic revolution, playing chess was banned in public in Iran and declared haram, or forbidden, by senior clerics because it was associated with gambling. But in 1988, Iran’s then supreme leader, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, lifted the ban and said it was permissible as long as it was not a means of gambling. Iran now has an active confederation for playing chess and sends players to international games.

Moves to suppress chess are likely to have come as a surprise to the seventh-century Muslims who conquered Persia and adopted the game before exporting it to Europe.

Muslim scholars tend to place chess, a skill-based game, in a different category from games of chance, such as dice, but frown upon it if it distracts a person from performing the five daily prayers. Placing bets under any circumstances is forbidden.

Nigel Short, the British chess grandmaster, told the BBC that forbidding chess in Saudi Arabia would be a “great tragedy”. “I don’t consider chess to be a threat to society. It is not something that is so depraved as to corrupt morals,” he said. “Even Ayatollah Khomeini came to the conclusion that he’d gone too far and repealed his own ban.”

The region’s clerical establishment figures are no strangers to seemingly strange fatwas, or edicts. In the early 2000s, Saudi and other clerics issued a fatwa against the popular Pokémon franchise, and during football’s 2010 World Cup in South Africa, religious scholars in the United Arab Emirates said that using the widely reviled vuvuzela instrument was forbidden if the sound produced was above 100 decibels.

It is unlikely that Sheikh’s ruling will be enforced, and more plausible that chess will be relegated to the status of other minor vices, such as music, which many in the clerical establishment frown upon. Moreover, since the ruling was in response to a specific question, it was probably meant as an advisory opinion rather than a formal edict.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/21/chess-forbidden-in-islam-rules-saudi-arabia-grand-mufti#img-1

saudi arabia authorties are totally out of their minds.. they want to manipulate its society and turn them into living deaths..

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January 23, 2016, 05:01:37 PM
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BTW if you take a look at the Youtube vids shot by the Houthi rebels in Yemen, you can see the results Smiley. Saudi soldiers sitting in their tanks on a rocky plain (with a bunch of big boulders everywhere around) a hill behind them. Houthis snaking between the boulders and playing a turkey shoot with RPG-7s. No saudis had the brain to send a mg team to the hilltop behind themselves or at least make some sort of infantry screen around the tanks. Perhaps if the officers could play chess... Smiley
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January 23, 2016, 07:25:34 PM
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BTW if you take a look at the Youtube vids shot by the Houthi rebels in Yemen, you can see the results Smiley. Saudi soldiers sitting in their tanks on a rocky plain (with a bunch of big boulders everywhere around) a hill behind them. Houthis snaking between the boulders and playing a turkey shoot with RPG-7s. No saudis had the brain to send a mg team to the hilltop behind themselves or at least make some sort of infantry screen around the tanks. Perhaps if the officers could play chess... Smiley

They are "trained" and "advised" by people whose grasp of military procedure is very limited as has been very very very well demonstrated in one failed war adventure after the other. So, no surprises there.

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January 24, 2016, 08:54:35 AM
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Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti has ruled that chess is forbidden in Islam, saying it encourages gambling and is a waste of time.
The guy cannot win so he bans the game. Quran does not mention chess anywhere as far as I know  Roll Eyes


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