Technology vs. Marketing. Which is more important?

[tat123]

This is a quote I found...

"It was fun for hyperactive twenty-somethings to Photoshop designs as humorous advertisements. This gave dogecoin a legion of marketing specialists free of charge, who proceeded to plaster the web with DOGE propaganda.  Why?  Because it was funny".

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[TPTB_need_war]

But it doesn't appear that has anything to do with the currency. Why do you need micro-tipping to do those comments? Is it part of the joke to insult someone by tipping them 1500 microcents.

Another angle is the tips aren't economic values but rather votes. I actually had mentioned in the past this as the possible way to use micro-tipping to better sites such as stackoverflow.

So the users are competing to see who can have the most votes, regardless that the votes have no significant economic value. So Doge is a decentralized fungible voting unit. Actually that is one of my marketing ideas. The key is how to distribute the units.

[Fuserleer]

Here we go again...every thread!

It will always be that way because humans have emotions. And B-listers get all bent out-of-shape and can't stay on fact. I decided there is nothing I can do to stop people from getting pissed off at me. I continue to try to elide facts, share, and discuss.

If you want to join with him to try to develop a "hate AnonyMint tribe", then go ahead. Or you can wisely stay on fact.

Can we get back to the pertinent discussion here?

P.S. I already see your marketing strategy is perhaps fundamentally flawed. You are hoping to convince people here that you have a superior long-term plan. Sorry that is not what drives markets. Good luck though. And I will reserve final judgement until I read your entire document.

What a surprise, you haven't even read a single word of any of the documentation regarding our plan and already I'm wrong!

So long term marketing strategies don't drive markets, or better yet create markets from nothing in some situations....ok  

Bottom line, I do have a long term plan, and it's better than whatever you might believe you have thanks to one crucial element. Ive actually written the damn thing down and taken it through a number of drafts so please...enough already!

I was hoping this would be an interesting thread about marketing v's tech, but already its derailed into the usual playground rubbish.

[Fuserleer]

Here we go again...every thread!

Yes... the omniscient TPMB has spoken.

I don't expect a 50+ year old man to understand why Dogecoin was successful, and I'll simply leave it at that.

Good day.

Doge has been successful because it was fun, users could relate it to something they were comfortable with already and it didn't try to be something it wasnt.  Very smart.

[Peachy]

P.S. I already see your marketing strategy is perhaps fundamentally flawed. You are hoping to convince people here that you have a superior long-term plan. Sorry that is not what drives markets. Good luck though. And I will reserve final judgement until I read your entire document.

Says the guy that supposedly had a ton of cash from some product no one's heard of in a long while and now lives hand-to-mouth off the charity of his girlfriend who (by your own admission) is already getting tired of supporting your pompous ass BS.

Even if you have the marketing prowess you purport, it must be substantially dwarfed by your inability to manage your own (or others) finances.  That, in and of itself, leads me to be wary of investing in any project you might try to sell to the unsuspecting masses.

[TPTB_need_war]

Here we go again...every thread!

Yes... the omniscient TPMB has spoken.

I don't expect a 50+ year old man to understand why Dogecoin was successful, and I'll simply leave it at that.

Good day.

Doge has been successful because it was fun, users could relate it to something they were comfortable with already and it didn't try to be something it wasnt.  Very smart.

Your statement is true in a very general way and well stated, that is also true about many other marketing ideas. It doesn't tell us specifically what were the unique attributes of Doge's marketing strategy.

[TPTB_need_war]

150 IQ

Liar. I have never claimed that. I explicitly stated recently too bad I don't have 150 IQ, otherwise maybe I would have completed my project sooner. You are conflating where I have mentioned Eric Raymond's claimed 150+ IQ.

I was hoping this would be an interesting thread about marketing v's tech, but already its derailed into the usual playground rubbish.

It was until CoinHoader derailed it (he could have stayed on topic instead and we'd still accomplish the same insights). And it appears you decided to further the derailment as follows.

now lives hand-to-mouth off the charity of his girlfriend

I provide the finances of my gf. She is very charitable in the way she helps me around the house and daily matters that would consume hours of my time otherwise.

Thanks for reaffirming how low forum members can stoop. You dredge up off topic personal details.

Btw, I have lived hand-to-mouth when I created CoolPage from a Nipa Hut. I couldn't even afford meat. I was eating salt & rice. I am not in that deprived scenario yet. And btw, CoolPage was a tremendous success reaching 1% of the internet and generating $500,000 for me (inflation adjust that to well over $1 million). Not too shabby for a guy who was coding with a 120110+ dB karaoke in his ear 24 x 7 and had dysentery weekly due to squalor. In 1995, left an $80,000 salary and $1.2 million in stock options because of stupid love for a girl who later was instrumental in me losing the vision in my right eye (and likely one of the causes of my current chronic illness). So back off if you think I am not driven to succeed. I did the impossible with damn fucking slow and unreliable dialup internet connection.

Here we go again...every thread!

It will always be that way because humans have emotions. And B-listers get all bent out-of-shape and can't stay on fact. I decided there is nothing I can do to stop people from getting pissed off at me. I continue to try to elide facts, share, and discuss.

If you want to join with him to try to develop a "hate AnonyMint tribe", then go ahead. Or you can wisely stay on fact.

Can we get back to the pertinent discussion here?

P.S. I already see your marketing strategy is perhaps fundamentally flawed. You are hoping to convince people here that you have a superior long-term plan. Sorry that is not what drives markets. Good luck though. And I will reserve final judgement until I read your entire document.

What a surprise, you haven't even read a single word of any of the documentation regarding our plan and already I'm wrong!

So long term marketing strategies don't drive markets, or better yet create markets from nothing in some situations....ok  

Bottom line, I do have a long term plan, and it's better than whatever you might believe you have thanks to one crucial element. Ive actually written the damn thing down and taken it through a number of drafts so please...enough already!

The statement below has some truth to it, but it contains no specific marketing strategy. It states many generalities. The main strategy is "long-term". And the other problem I see is the concept of incentivizing usership from those who might not be interested which is an egregious error. Marketing is always about prioritizing the lowest hanging fruit. No one can predict years into the future. The marketing coups are immediate, not some 5-year top-down Communist Party rigidity. That you need to write a 60 page document just to communicate a marketing strategy indicates your skill is writing long documents and your marketing strategy is to target people who like reading long documents. I am a person who believes in "Just Do It". And I also believe in getting directly to the point and communicating as concisely as possible (when referring to polished presentation).

A REAL marketing strategy is long term, over a number of years, and identifies the initial and changing needs of the market over that time.  It knows what the market needs even if the market doesn't know what it needs to start with.  It considers the sentiment of the market at all times and modifies campaigns and strategies to suit this sentiment.  It adopts differing strategies for the different demographics you are targeting.  It details how the marketing will evolve as you garner adoption and looks for ways to incentive those that might not be interested, to try out the product and up sell from there to keep them engaged.  It considers all advertising mediums, not just the internet, and how best to use them together to push adoption.

[BellaBitBit]

I would say - if you have the marketing and following in place go with that, seems easier to fix the tech than get marketing going.  I am biased because I work a lot with marketing and social media, including research. 

[CoinHoarder]

Fuserleer pretty much hit the nail on the head. Dogecoin is like the anti-Anonymint. Dogecoin's success has nothing to do with the underlying technology it is based on. Dogecoin made cryptocurrency fun, funny, and relate-able. Comparing the first Dogecoin conference to a Bitcoin conference... people were dressed in costumes like a comic con, there was a decentralized dance party, and people were generally there to have fun (rather than network and talk about the technology like what is done at Bitcoin conferences.) Dogecoin is all about having fun, which happens to introduce people to decentralized cryptocurrency at the same time. Tying itself to the internet sensation that is Doge catapulted the awareness, adoption, and price of Dogecoin.

It was also at the right place at the right time, which is perhaps the greatest reason for its success. It was a perfect storm of multiple factors. It was released towards the peak of the popularity of the Doge meme and size of the Doge community. It was released towards the peak of Bitcoin's awareness in the media. It was released towards the peak of the number of cryptocurrency speculators entering the market. Because of that initial influx of speculators, it now has a wide reaching network effect and a large community of supporters that will (IMO) carry it into the future. It is here to stay.

[Peachy]

I am a person who believes in "Just Do It".

Says the guy who has "done nothing" but whine on this board ad nauseam to the point of alienating nearly everyone in the hopes of one day finding someone to have pity on you and code what is supposedly the second coming of Jesus Christ carrying the cure for cancer.

[Fuserleer]

The statement below has some truth to it, but it contains no specific marketing strategy. It states many generalities. The main strategy is "long-term". And the other problem I see is the concept of incentivizing usership from those who might not be interested which is an egregious error. Marketing is always about prioritizing the lowest hanging fruit. No one can predict years into the future. The marketing coups are immediate, not some 5-year top-down Communist Party rigidity. That you need to write a 60 page document just to communicate a marketing strategy indicates your skill is writing long documents and your marketing strategy is to target people who like reading long documents. I am a person who believes in "Just Do It". And I also believe in getting directly to the point and communicating as concisely as possible (when referring to polished presentation).

A REAL marketing strategy is long term, over a number of years, and identifies the initial and changing needs of the market over that time.  It knows what the market needs even if the market doesn't know what it needs to start with.  It considers the sentiment of the market at all times and modifies campaigns and strategies to suit this sentiment.  It adopts differing strategies for the different demographics you are targeting.  It details how the marketing will evolve as you garner adoption and looks for ways to incentive those that might not be interested, to try out the product and up sell from there to keep them engaged.  It considers all advertising mediums, not just the internet, and how best to use them together to push adoption.

I was making some general points about marketing, I'm not going to write an essay on here going into great detail, just to highlight general points.

Furthermore I'm not going to detail any marketing strategies I'm working here in a post to prove a point.  You'll have it all soon enough.

The low hanging fruit is the crypto-space, 0.1% of the worlds population...so what are YOU going to do to market to the rest of the planet?

Also, just to clarify, its not a 60 page document all about marketing strategies but a full manifesto of everything.  Organizational structure, a small brief on what eMunie is and intends to do for the uninformed, the market we are targeting, a breakdown of all the advertising and promotional mediums we can use, cost and expenditure information, income and future forecasting, infrastructure support and encouragement, and of course marketing.

It covers every angle of everything we want to do and how we are going to do it, down to the smallest detail.  A 60 page document that covers all this says nothing but "I'm thorough and I've thought this out end to end!"

[Peachy]

And I also believe in getting directly to the point and communicating as concisely as possible.

Seriously?  You think so? 

You should change your handle from TPTB to TL/DR as that's the overwhelming opinion of most when they see one of your long winded diatribes.

[TPTB_need_war]

I am a person who believes in "Just Do It".

Says the guy who has "done nothing" but whine on this board ad nauseam

That is an egregious lie. I have expended enormous effort researching and developing a wide range of fundamental technological issues including but not limited to:

• anonymity from all different angles
• PoW hashes invented including memory hard and AES-NI variants
• an entire thread explaining decentralization and the CAP theorem

In addition to other herculean accomplishments in my past:

now lives hand-to-mouth off the charity of his girlfriend

I provide the finances of my gf. She is very charitable in the way she helps me around the house and daily matters that would consume hours of my time otherwise.

Thanks for reaffirming how low forum members can stoop. You dredge up off topic personal details.

Btw, I have lived hand-to-mouth when I created CoolPage from a Nipa Hut. I couldn't even afford meat. I was eating salt & rice. I am not in that deprived scenario yet. And btw, CoolPage was a tremendous success reaching 1% of the internet and generating $500,000 for me (inflation adjust that to well over $1 million). Not bad for a guy who was coding with a 120 dB karaoke in his ear 24 x 7 and had dysentery weekly due to squalor. In 1995, left an $80,000 salary and $1.2 million in stock options because of stupid love for a girl who later was instrumental in me losing the vision in my right eye (and likely one of the causes of my current chronic illness). So back off if you think I am not driven to succeed. I did the impossible with damn fucking slow and unreliable dialup internet connection.

[TPTB_need_war]

You should change your handle from TPTB to TL/DR as that's the overwhelming opinion of most when they see one of your long winded diatribes.

The smart people on the forum sends me copious encouragements such as "don't mind the idiots" private messages. You stay with your tribe. I will stay with mine, lol.  

[Peachy]

Thanks for reaffirming how low forum members can stoop. You dredge up off topic personal details.

...I couldn't even afford meat. I was eating salt & rice. ... In 1995, left an $80,000 salary and $1.2 million in stock options because of stupid love for a girl who later was instrumental in me losing the vision in my right eye (and likely one of the causes of my current chronic illness).

How again is any of that relevant to "Technology vs. Marketing"

Much like this "on topic" gem from your OWN thread about your hot coin idea:

Note my feces is still alternating between pale brown and dark brown, so the bile obstruction appears to be inconsistent.

How on earth is THAT on-topic unless your coin truly is a piece of shit borne from your own ass?  

[TPTB_need_war]

I would say - if you have the marketing and following in place go with that, seems easier to fix the tech than get marketing going.  I am biased because I work a lot with marketing and social media, including research. 

This is back on topic and yes I agree with that. But also factor in that if the principles only know marketing and don't know how to manage tech, they may fail on the communication barrier between themselves and the programmers.

[Fuserleer]

I am a person who believes in "Just Do It".

Says the guy who has "done nothing" but whine on this board ad nauseam

That is an egregious lie. I have expended enormous effort researching and developing a wide range of fundamental technological issues including but not limited to:

• anonymity from all different angles
• PoW hashes invented including memory hard and AES-NI variants
• an entire thread explaining decentralization and the CAP theorem

In addition to other herculean accomplishments in my past:

now lives hand-to-mouth off the charity of his girlfriend

I provide the finances of my gf. She is very charitable in the way she helps me around the house and daily matters that would consume hours of my time otherwise.

Thanks for reaffirming how low forum members can stoop. You dredge up off topic personal details.

Btw, I have lived hand-to-mouth when I created CoolPage from a Nipa Hut. I couldn't even afford meat. I was eating salt & rice. I am not in that deprived scenario yet. And btw, CoolPage was a tremendous success reaching 1% of the internet and generating $500,000 for me (inflation adjust that to well over $1 million). Not bad for a guy who was coding with a 120 dB karaoke in his ear 24 x 7 and had dysentery weekly due to squalor. In 1995, left an $80,000 salary and $1.2 million in stock options because of stupid love for a girl who later was instrumental in me losing the vision in my right eye (and likely one of the causes of my current chronic illness). So back off if you think I am not driven to succeed. I did the impossible with damn fucking slow and unreliable dialup internet connection.

All developers here have been on similar quests, weeks, months, years researching, trialing and rejecting ideas.  We don't expect any pat on the back for it, its hidden in the shadows, forgotten, rejected, useless.

I've accepted that whatever I do, say, or produce you (and others) are going to have an issue with or an opinion on, fair enough.

But for once, for the love of God, I'd like a straight answer if I may.  Think of me as your student.  If your student was wrong, you wouldn't scold him, and not explain why he was wrong, nor give the correct answer.

Give me just one, trivial example of what you would do to market a crypto to the mass market, either a user or a merchant, it matters not which.  If you have so many ideas, then letting a solitary one out of the bag won't hurt and I'm sure if its a good one, you'll get a dose of respect you feel you deserve.

So, explain it to me like I'm five....no....explain it to me like I'm a Cocker Spaniel...

[TPTB_need_war]

Thanks for reaffirming how low forum members can stoop. You dredge up off topic personal details.

...I couldn't even afford meat. I was eating salt & rice. ... In 1995, left an $80,000 salary and $1.2 million in stock options because of stupid love for a girl who later was instrumental in me losing the vision in my right eye (and likely one of the causes of my current chronic illness).

How again is any of that relevant to "Technology vs. Marketing"

Precisely. Why are you forcing me to respond to allegations about my personal life in this thread? Why are YOU derailing the thread.

Your behavior does not reflect well on Fuserleer's eMunie, since it is quite clear you are one of the insiders/investors (or otherwise closely affiliated). Fuserleer should reign you in. I would not tolerate you being affiliated with my work and doing that behavior to anyone, including to my competitors. It extremely immature and selfish. You are forcing all the readers here to slog through your off topic hate for me. Take your hate for me to an appropriate venue.

It is quite clear that you are insecure that I might have more influence over readers and you are thinking eMunie is not being treated fairly. And you blame me for that. So instead of dealing with that in a mature way, you decide to go 5 years old mode. Congrats.

Much like this "on topic" gem from your OWN thread about your hot coin idea:

Note my feces is still alternating between pale brown and dark brown, so the bile obstruction appears to be inconsistent.

How on earth is THAT on-topic unless your coin truly is a piece of shit borne from your own ass?  

Why are you quoting from my thread (where I can talk about what ever I want, no one is forced to read my thread) to a thread which neither of us started and is supposed to be on topic discussion of the thread title and OP.

You've blown a fuse. Go count to 10 and take your meds.

[TPTB_need_war]

All developers here have been on similar quests, weeks, months, years researching, trialing and rejecting ideas.  We don't expect any pat on the back for it, its hidden in the shadows, forgotten, rejected, useless.

Good. So what is your point? You've done nothing then too by that criteria.  

Why are you and your Munie cohort Peachy spamming and derailing this thread with off topic discussion?

Every time you spam, I am going to make sure I put the name of your coin in, so the brains of readers can come to associate eMunie with strife and wasted time. Marketing anyone?

[Fuserleer]

All developers here have been on similar quests, weeks, months, years researching, trialing and rejecting ideas.  We don't expect any pat on the back for it, its hidden in the shadows, forgotten, rejected, useless.

Good. So what is your point? You've done nothing then too by that criteria.  

Why are you spamming and derailing this thread with off topic discussion?

Can you please answer the real question of my post instead of diverting?  I believe its on topic and as far as I know, I've made 2 posts at most in this thread that could perhaps be considered off-topic.

What peachy posts is up to peachy, I'm not his or anyone's "boss", and I'm certainly not going to attempt to influence his right to free speech just as I wouldn't anyone else's, regardless of if they were a supporter of the project or not.  If that reflects badly on me then so be it.