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January 26, 2016, 08:35:11 AM
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Make sure your favorite casino is provably fair... not probably fair.

ProvablyFair.Casino

Who We Are


We are a third party monitoring service that provides regular audits of Provably Fair Casinos and their code. Some casinos like to give us their full code and host it on our site, so that they are unable to change the code without our third-party system rejecting the new outputs from their system.

Some casinos simply allow us access to their code, we monitor and verify it.

Others use an already trusted platform such as MoneyPot.

We started by giving you a sample of each of these, in BetCoin.TM, the recently launched TorBet777, and a game hosted on MoneyPot called Bitstacker.

How We Are Maintained

Since we are a new site, we are providing all of the hosting fees and manhours from our own pockets. Casinos will never be able to buy reviews on our site, but they will be able to buy advertising (as well as anyone else who would like to purchase it).

To Whom are We Accountable?


We are accountable to YOU, the players of these casinos. We hope and expect our 'Disputes' section will rack up complaints against casinos, which we will handle publicly and fairly.

Where is “X” Casino?

Show them they're wanted by emailing us or posting the casino or game you'd like to see here! We just launched so we're going to start piling on the reviews. Please understand that we do not make a review until a casino agrees to submit their provably fair code to us. If they don't allow us to verify, then we will let you know.

What if a Casino is not Provably Fair?

They will be outed on the “Scams and Accusations” board here – as claiming 'Provably Fairness' and not delivering, is, in our view, a modern deadly sin.


Please help us grow by suggesting your favorite casino here. We will reach out to them and provide a third-party audit of their system for all to reference, and continually check up on them to ensure continued support of the Provably Fair way of life.
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January 26, 2016, 08:41:55 AM
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Strongly support. I'm happy to get this news, because you give notice of sites that use provably fair. it is helpful to all of us who want to get a site that uses a system of provably fair, if the absence of a third-party site to audit sites casino gambling.


maybe   no enthusiasts gambling in Bitcoin

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January 26, 2016, 08:44:47 AM
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Strongly support. I'm happy to get this news, because you give notice of sites that use provably fair. it is helpful to all of us who want to get a site that uses a system of provably fair, if the absence of a third-party site to audit sites casino gambling.


maybe   no enthusiasts gambling in Bitcoin

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Any casino that you'd like to see on the site?
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January 26, 2016, 08:54:06 AM
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Hi!

Good idea!
Can you review those sites:

https://nitrogensports.eu
https://www.crypto-games.net
https://www.betcoin.ag
https://fortunejack.com
https://bitcoinvideocasino.com

But the main question...will you charge casinos for listing/reviewing?

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January 26, 2016, 09:29:06 AM
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Hi!

Good idea!
Can you review those sites:

https://nitrogensports.eu
https://www.crypto-games.net
https://www.betcoin.ag
https://fortunejack.com
https://bitcoinvideocasino.com

But the main question...will you charge casinos for listing/reviewing?



Absolutely NOT. They can purchase adspace if they wish, but listings are and will ALWAYS be free. Otherwise a casino may think they can bribe us to be at the top. We started this site so that these casinos would be held accountable - not so they could pay their way through a lie.

Also, yes, we will link your post in our email for each of these sites.

Right now BetCoin.TM is fully integrating with our service so that you can paste your game ID in their checker and we will pull the details and run the calculations on our end. I want to see more casinos do that, but it's a bit of a hassle. These other established casinos will hopefully follow suit because it's a super nice feature and I think users will really appreciate it.
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January 26, 2016, 09:37:23 AM
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How do you find out if the casino is provably fair ? Like what strategies do you use? And why should we trust you,that the casino reviewed by you would be definitely fair ? Don't take it personally but I do wish to know how exactly this service works.Thank you.

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January 26, 2016, 09:49:27 AM
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How do you find out if the casino is provably fair ? Like what strategies do you use? And why should we trust you,that the casino reviewed by you would be definitely fair ? Don't take it personally but I do wish to know how exactly this service works.Thank you.

We don't use 'strategies'. We literally ask for the code from them. If they can't provide the code than they can't be Certified to be provably fair. We're not going to waste anyone's time by trying to decipher something - if it's provably fair then you should be able to back it up with the programming and/or the math.

No one is forcing or asking you to trust us. We saw a need for a third party service that verified casinos and we established our site to fill that need. We hope that in time you will see our intentions are good! Smiley
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January 26, 2016, 10:10:20 AM
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I think there is a website already made by Nico for such purposes ? However I cant access it through my browser(tor).Then I tried on chrome ,works fine.Maybe some update ?
"This request has been denied for security reasons. If you believe this was in error, please contact support."

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January 26, 2016, 10:21:25 AM
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I think there is a website already made by Nico for such purposes ? However I cant access it through my browser(tor).Then I tried on chrome ,works fine.Maybe some update ?
"This request has been denied for security reasons. If you believe this was in error, please contact support."

Will add this to the support queue. Seems like some sort of weird IP block issue.
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January 26, 2016, 10:26:00 AM
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I think there is a website already made by Nico for such purposes ? However I cant access it through my browser(tor).Then I tried on chrome ,works fine.Maybe some update ?
"This request has been denied for security reasons. If you believe this was in error, please contact support."

Will add this to the support queue. Seems like some sort of weird IP block issue.
Nope, even tried that with some new identities as well.I think they completely block the Tor IP's.However it is functioning on different vpn's and is as smooth as on typical browsers/connections.It looks like an intentional block.

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January 26, 2016, 10:39:46 AM
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I think there is a website already made by Nico for such purposes ? However I cant access it through my browser(tor).Then I tried on chrome ,works fine.Maybe some update ?
"This request has been denied for security reasons. If you believe this was in error, please contact support."

Will add this to the support queue. Seems like some sort of weird IP block issue.
Nope, even tried that with some new identities as well.I think they completely block the Tor IP's.However it is functioning on different vpn's and is as smooth as on typical browsers/connections.It looks like an intentional block.

Definitely not intentional - we have no interest in blocking Tor users. Heck, one of the first websites that responded to us with their code is a .onion casino!
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January 26, 2016, 11:49:10 AM
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I was looking to get someone to do a provably fair tool, preferably browser plugin, or do it myself, that you could verify as you play on any site.

It's odd that you would start with BetCoin.tm and some of the other places you have instead of the dice sites, you can see a list here dicesites.com, since most actual Bitcoin casinos are not provably fair or use a pretty bad method. (I can't speak for Betcoin.tm, never checked).

I'd recommend looking at dicesites.com, Nico has verifiers for most of the biggest dice sites and very good tutorials about provably fair.

Be good if you can then add BetKing.io.
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January 26, 2016, 11:56:55 AM
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I was looking to get someone to do a provably fair tool, preferably browser plugin, or do it myself, that you could verify as you play on any site.

It's odd that you would start with BetCoin.tm and some of the other places you have instead of the dice sites, you can see a list here dicesites.com, since most actual Bitcoin casinos are not provably fair or use a pretty bad method. (I can't speak for Betcoin.tm, never checked).

I'd recommend looking at dicesites.com, Nico has verifiers for most of the biggest dice sites and very good tutorials about provably fair.

Be good if you can then add BetKing.io.


The issue is that you really can't verify on every site from the array to the result as everyone uses a different method. You can use a SHA256 calculator (which we have onsite) but that doesn't guarantee the whole game is fair, just that the server seed wasn't tampered with (or anything else that uses encryption).

The reason that we started with BetCoin.TM is because they have a 24 game provably fair suite and they were willing to integrate with us on a much deeper level than anyone else.

We wanted to come out of the gate with a major player and from a practical standpoint it's a good exercise for us to do someone with a large Provably Fair suite.

TorBet777 is actually backed by BetCoinTM and we did it on their recommendation.

We also wanted to include a MoneyPot game and BitStacker was one of the more engaging ones that I found so I went with it - so we have a really good mix for our entry into the market.

We'll send along an email to your support and get in touch and start the integration process - in the meantime we'll see what you have and go ahead and do the write up and get you on the site while the verification tool designed for you is being implemented.

Pleasure to work with you Smiley
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February 03, 2016, 04:42:29 PM
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The OP owes me a 0.15BTC of translating the site to Chinese. He said he will pay me shortly the last time when he was here but nothing arrives to my wallet. And looks like he have been away from here a lot. Hope he will show up soon and pay me. Cry

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