Altcoin4life - HACKED ACCOUNT - Collateral 4 Murderouskirk - Swingdev - ADVICE??

[Altcoin4life]

Hi everyone.

This is the lender Altcoin4life and i am looking for some advice regarding a situation i have regarding a hacked account i hold collateral for. I recently gave a loan to the user murderouskirk - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=182223 for the amount of 0.13 BTC. My lending thread is below (LOAN #16 IN MY LEDGER AT TOP):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1295650.0;all

The borrower murderouskirk was supposed to repay his loan on 20 Jan he is now overdue.


When i gave this loan i did not suspect anything and thought he was a legitimate borrower, i took over account as collateral and he provided a signed message here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1295650.msg13554319#msg13554319

His trust looked ok, i transferred the coins to the borrower soon after securing account as collateral.




Within 12 hours of me sending of the money i started seeing negative trust being given against murderouskirk, people saying he tried to scam them, his trust became -2 neg???

PLEASE NOTE THE NEGS HAPPENED AFTER I GAVE COINS, AT THE TIME OF AGREEMENT THERE WERE NO NEGS.




After about 5 days a user called SwingDev https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=730429 contacted me by PM, and said he was the original owner of the account murderouskirk and that he was scammed. . I told swing that as the repayment date has not arrived, we should wait. Now the date has passed with no repayment.

I asked him for proof that swingdev was the real owner he said he could not find a staked address....... now a few days ago he said..... he had found an address here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1164721.msg12788990#msg12788990

1E6soVzn7Z5NGguwD9sZfXkVmn8a51Cg71






I asked that he should send me a signed message from this address 1E6soVzn7Z5NGguwD9sZfXkVmn8a51Cg71 , he has refused to provide a signed message and is saying that he can send a  few small coins from this address to me instead, this will prove he owns the address, BUT HE IS REFUSING TO GIVE A SIGNED MESSAGE???




From the beginning i advised swingdev he should contact theymos with a hacked account report, he has said he is hesitant as he has heard theymos does not respond and that many people do not get their account back..... NOW HE HAS RECENTLY SENT A REPORT TO THEYMOS A FEW DAYS AGO.





So i wanted to ask lenders especially

Shall i give back the account of murderouskirk to swingdev? or shall i just wait until theymos checks this out and hands it over to the real owner?

Swingdev is REFUSING to give a signed message so am not sure what to do??

Please can i get opinions on this situation from experienced users.

Thanks
Altcoin4life

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[zazarb]

I think  first of all you fault that take account which signed message with "fresh" btc address.
the situation is complex and difficult to find a fair solution for both sides.

[SwingDev]

EDIT* Altcoin4Life has made 3+ threads regarding this matter. Please check https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1341682.msg13688781#msg13688781 for further info.

[Joel_Jantsen]

1 = Borrower Username = murderouskirk
2 = Loan Amount (in BTC) = 0.2
3 = Loan Term (Days) = 6 days
4 = Bitcoin Address where ​the lender should send coins (This must be a staked address posted on btctalk at least 3 months ago) = 1Q9cbMG1Gjcwkz7FU5KcoMKL4kc7WWvu9m
5 = Collateral Type and Amount (Failure to pay will lead to Altcoin4life to be the new owner of the Btctalk Account / Altcoins) = this account
6 = Total Repayment Amount (in BTC) = 0.22
7 = Repayment Date (DD/MM/YYYY)= before 6 days

Please take note that this account tried to (unsuccessfully) scam members, by urging them to send first, had a thread about selling 1k BTC and is most likely bought(having a look at seclog). More details in the negative trust I have given him.
This is an attempt to ditch the account at the highest price he can
Also the BTC address he claims to have staked is recently created, hence the owner may recover his account at will.
Edit: The negative trust from me will not be removed.

Mexxer did warn you before trading with that account which you took for granted and still continued the trade as we know this account was probably hacked. I think swngdev deserves his account back, you can make out from the quality of posts he made in the past that he actually us the real owner of the account. Anyway the account is negative repped, won't make any compromises for the loan.

[Altcoin4life]

Hi everyone just to let you know  that swingdev has still not given a signed message from an old staked address.

But he has sent me 0.0001 BTC to my normal repayment address 1HbPkpQiKgq48mCpL5BTxyVsHf4fjM8uop - Proof is below:

https://blockchain.info/tx/ccae00b48dd1d0a7f80897fc063b469f16ee9c45f09ddb6450a0fe153b6dae74


If he has now proven??? that he owns the old staked address 1E6soVzn7Z5NGguwD9sZfXkVmn8a51Cg71  that was posted here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1164721.msg12788990#msg12788990

WHY CAN HE NOT JUST SIGN A MESSAGE FROM THIS ADDRESS? DOES THIS PROVE HE OWNS THE ADDRESS AS HE HAS MADE A PAYMENT FROM IT?

SWINGDEV, PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE ASKED MULTIPLE TIMES NOW.... WHERE IS THE SIGNED MESSAGE ?

Thanks
Altcoin4life

[SwingDev]

The root of this misunderstanding was my fault. I mistakenly thought Theymos recovered accounts with empty signed messages, and that this is what ALTCOIN4LIFE was asking for as well. My apologies for the inconvenience ALTCOIN4LIFE.

I'll just go ahead and post now that I understand it's secure with an attached message.

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
I am the real owner of the account MurderousKirk. Today is 1/26/16 8:00PM EST. I misunderstood the signature process and am now posting this to secure my account from Altcoin4life.
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1E6soVzn7Z5NGguwD9sZfXkVmn8a51Cg71
H1mNchP2wcPFHiIdMigU/j2kX9Jlm6d+jXSEOLoc2XyxKU8d2IpSkkPaSyf2acDb6b0f4bOCR7p+CjoHq+VWm50=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Location of addy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1164721.msg12788990#msg12788990

Edit*

Altcoin4life has decided to try to sell me my account back. I'm going to try my luck with Theymos for a while.

Hi Swingdev

THANKS FOR FINALLY SIGNING A MESSAGE PROVING YOU ARE THE REAL OWNER OF THE ACCOUNT!

I asked for this message a long time ago.... we could have saved a lot of time and hassle if you just gave me proof of signed message 1 week ago!

I know you have sent a report to theymos BUT this will probably take time to get your account back.

Now as you know i have lost 0.13 BTC from this defaulted loan that has now turned out to be hacked. This collateral has neg trust and is of no use to me at all. you say it has use to you as the dev account.

WE BOTH MADE ERRORS.

YOU made errors by:

1 - Not securing the murderouskirk account properly with a secure password... or other malware etc

2- Not posting a scam accusation on this forum immediately after you realised.

I MADE ERRORS by:

not getting a staked address from an old post on this forum. Accepting the thief's story and transferring coins.

As we both made errors i believe it is best you make a partial transfer to me for my loss BEFORE I PM YOU THE PASSWORD.

I believe you have a part to blame as you made errors with securing the original account  by being hacked.

ALSO AS YOU SAY THIS IS A DEV ACCOUNT YOU WILL PROBABLY USE MURDEROUSKIRK TO EARN SOMETHING IN THE NEAR FUTURE WITH YOUR RELATED ALT COINS YOU DEVELOP.... SO YOU WILL BENEFIT FINANCIALLY ....WHILE I HAVE A LOSS.

Please tell me by pm how much can you pay me as a partial payment that his FAIR FOR BOTH OF US?

Let me know by pm

Thanks
Altcoin4life

Altcoin4life I've already stated an appropriate response to this. I'll quote it again. If it's not enough for you then hopefully Theymos will help me out instead.

And I do intend to pass some BTC towards Altcoin4life for the recovery should my portfolio ever grow again. His loss prevented my entire community from malicious attacks via impersonation and evil edits. It's also potentially led to the recovery of my account. Currently I have less than 0.1 liquid btc to trade with sadly. For now the best I can do is give him favorable feedback.

[Altcoin4life]

Hi Swingdev

Thanks for your reply

I will let you know as i am thinking how i should proceed.

Cheers
Altcoin4life

[SwingDev]

If anyone wants to follow the full conversation on this topic here's all the links I can find:

In my Swing altcoin thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1164721.msg13580743#msg13580743

In lending: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1341677.0
In Scam Accusations: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1341680.msg13683665#msg13683665
In Meta: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1341682.msg13683675#msg13683675

[SwingDev]

I have made my own scam accusation thread. Please close this one and consolidate the multiple threads open on this topic.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1343710.msg13700602#msg13700602