"Bitcoin classic", brought up by literal crooks

[worhiper_-_]

In this chat the lead developer of Bitcoin Classic (Jonathan Toomim) mentions Marshall Long solicited him to develop the client

Here he says he and his developer buddy have Ahmed Bodiwala commit access.

For those that don't know Marshall, he is the pinnacle of crypto-genius who specializes in everything technology. But you don't need to take his word for it, his work speaks for itself.

He is the Co-founder and CTO of Cryptsy and worked to ensure Cryptsy is the most secure and legit exchange on the planet.

He worked directly with the CEO of Mining Asic Technologies to distribute ~~hardware~~ preorders. Unfortunately Mining Asic Technologies went bankrupt before delivering those preorders but that's beside the point.

Then there's Ziftr which he provided marketing for. You might not think that's a big deal but if you take a look at Ziftr you will notice that it's practically a useless cryptocurrency with the sole purpose of using "creative" marketing to convince people to buy into their IPO.

He also provided guidance/developers to his self proclaimed buddy Josh Garza with the development of Paycoin aka the most technologically advanced cryptocurrency ever created in two weeks. Sure, you might say paycoin was just peercoin with a few lines of code changed which introduced several catastrophic, client breaking bugs, but I'd say he did a great job.

In addition, he provided Garza with his escape to Dubai exit strategy. You can read the plan drafted by Marshalls buddy Leo here. The fact that Garza fled to Dubai and has yet to be caught is just another testament to his skills in global economics.

Overall I'm pretty impressed. Will probably be investing the last of my savings into Bits-coin knowing that this guy will play a major role in development of the client supported by 90% of the bits-coin economy.

Source: https://redd.it/42z5yy

[Lauda]

Well this is quite interesting and entertaining at the same time. Although you will have 'Classic supporters' coming over to this thread trying to rescue the Toomin brothers and the project even though it has been losing credibility time after time. It would be quite unfortunate if they'd be people behind the main implementation (although ignorant people are going to argue that it doesn't matter).

[franky1]

im a 2mb supporter. not a toomin/r3/gavincoin/hearncoin supporter. and i have wanted a bigger block since even before classic or toomin or XT were even a thing. people like lauda think anyone that doesnt want segwit who wants a simple 2mb implementation instead must be a toomin/r3/gavincoin supporter

quite the opposite. i want a 2mb implementation but without any other dodgy code or hidden agenda. that goes both for bankers/fraudsters and the narrow minded blockstream roadmap, who both could enforce dodgy code.

so lets throw classic to the curb just like xt and concentrate on getting a clean implementation with 2mb blocks like the majority of the community want.

i think people like lauda want the bandcamp debate between bankers, fraudsters (they both the same ), vs blockstream. because its obvious blockstream would win based on social standing... but that just detracts the attention away from the community wanting 2mb and turns it into a troll debate about blockstream or STFU.

so lets kill off xt lets kill of classic. and lets find a cleaner moral and open way to get a 2mb implementation that has no social drama that the blockstream trolls can use as excuses to try propping up their control.

there needs to be 2 clean implementations
2mb - for users
1mb segwit - for users

then let the community decide which is the better way forward.. then when consensus is reached then the miners can start adopting the community favourite

[harrymmmm]

im a 2mb supporter. not a toomin/r3/gavincoin/hearncoin supporter. and i have wanted a bigger block since even before classic or toomin or XT were even a thing. people like lauda think anyone that doesnt want segwit who wants a simple 2mb implementation instead must be a toomin/r3/gavincoin supporter

quite the opposite. i want a 2mb implementation but without any other dodgy code or hidden agenda. that goes both for bankers/fraudsters and the narrow minded blockstream roadmap, who both could enforce dodgy code.

so lets throw classic to the curb just like xt and concentrate on getting a clean implementation with 2mb blocks like the majority of the community want.

i think people like lauda want the bandcamp debate between bankers, fraudsters (they both the same ), vs blockstream. because its obvious blockstream would win based on social standing... but that just detracts the attention away from the community wanting 2mb and turns it into a troll debate about blockstream or STFU.

so lets kill off xt lets kill of classic. and lets find a cleaner moral and open way to get a 2mb implementation that has no social drama that the blockstream trolls can use as excuses to try propping up their control.

there needs to be 2 clean implementations
2mb - for users
1mb segwit - for users

then let the community decide which is the better way forward.. then when consensus is reached then the miners can start adopting the community favourite

When you say you (with many others, including me) want 2MB, what you really mean is that you want to double the max. transaction rate, right?
Framed in that manner, your two options are pretty damn close to the same thing. Both offer approx the same max rate, both can be done in approx the same time frame.
The 2mb approach requires a hard fork (a rushed one at that), while the segwit approach uses a safer soft fork.
segwit offers a bunch of extra stuff like an end to transaction malleability.

[steeev]

segwit offers so much more potential for development than a mere clunking 1MB raise can - 'scaling' is about far more than just making the numbers bigger...

working towards micropayments, LN, and finally fixing transaction malleability are deeper considerations of where Bitcoin can go - to abandon that for brian coinbase to (very) temporarily have a slightly bigger margin is ludicrous...

and this zombie mob that want to 'fire the core developers' (who they don't even employ!) to hand it over to toomin and his noobs must be sniffing glue.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Well this is quite interesting and entertaining at the same time. Although you will have 'Classic supporters' coming over to this thread trying to rescue the Toomin brothers and the project even though it has been losing credibility time after time. It would be quite unfortunate if they'd be people behind the main implementation (although ignorant people are going to argue that it doesn't matter).

Good thing Core has sane, reasonable folks like Luke Jr. to learn us all some religion. Innit?

 

[harrymmmm]

Well this is quite interesting and entertaining at the same time. Although you will have 'Classic supporters' coming over to this thread trying to rescue the Toomin brothers and the project even though it has been losing credibility time after time. It would be quite unfortunate if they'd be people behind the main implementation (although ignorant people are going to argue that it doesn't matter).

Good thing Core has sane, reasonable folks like Luke Jr. to learn us all some religion. Innit?

 

Haha. Agreed.
But he IS a fkn genius too.
I can allow for a few delusions at the same time, as long as they remain confined.

[gentlemand]

It doesn't matter if code is proposed by Satan himself, if it cuts it and enchants enough people then it's gonna roll. No idea who's scum and who isn't in developmentland but all they can do is offer and wait for the majority to decide whether it works for them.

[iCEBREAKER]

i want a 2mb implementation but without any other dodgy code or hidden agenda. that goes both for bankers/fraudsters and the narrow minded blockstream roadmap, who both could enforce dodgy code.

so lets throw classic to the curb just like xt and concentrate on getting a clean implementation with 2mb blocks like the majority of the community want.

That's nice.  I want to be able to fly and shoot laser beams out off my ass, but without any painful/expensive surgery or magical compacts with eldrich entities best left unnamed.

You go to war against the socioeconomic majority with the misinformed, low-information, emotionally manipulated, fear-mongering Toominista lynch mob you have, not the idealized Army of Heaven you want.  Good luck beating the Knights of Satoshi with such a mass of surly, gormless Reddit dregs.   

Do you have any plans to reevaluate your assumption that Bitcoin is a democracy, in light of XT, Unlimited, and Classic's ignoble failures?

[harrymmmm]

i want a 2mb implementation but without any other dodgy code or hidden agenda. that goes both for bankers/fraudsters and the narrow minded blockstream roadmap, who both could enforce dodgy code.

so lets throw classic to the curb just like xt and concentrate on getting a clean implementation with 2mb blocks like the majority of the community want.

That's nice.  I want to be able to fly and shoot laser beams out off my ass, but without any painful/expensive surgery or magical compacts with eldrich entities best left unnamed.

You go to war against the socioeconomic majority with the misinformed, low-information, emotionally manipulated, fear-mongering Toominista lynch mob you have, not the idealized Army of Heaven you want.  Good luck beating the Knights of Satoshi with such a mass of surly, gormless Reddit dregs.   

Do you have any plans to reevaluate your assumption that Bitcoin is a democracy, in light of XT, Unlimited, and Classic's ignoble failures?

Haha. C'mon. Don't hold back.
Say what you really think
I disagree with toominista tho. I think it's toomimista.

[Yakamoto]

Well this is quite interesting and entertaining at the same time. Although you will have 'Classic supporters' coming over to this thread trying to rescue the Toomin brothers and the project even though it has been losing credibility time after time. It would be quite unfortunate if they'd be people behind the main implementation (although ignorant people are going to argue that it doesn't matter).

Yeah, after the giant Mike Hearn dump, its seemed like Classic has been losing reliability and credibility, as to my knowledge, the development has been quite stagnant. I think that it is good that they come and defend their position, as it allows for more discussion and the ability for knowledge and ideas to be passed along. The real question becomes whether or not we have the capability to do such a thing.

[gmaxwell]

Classic has been losing reliability and credibility, as to my knowledge, the development has been quite stagnant

There may be more development in secret. Rather than having public activity on github they seem to have mostly done code dumps with their initial patches. It certainly seems more dead than even XT did.

[Kakmakr]

Let us not hijack the thread with discussions on the technological merit of the different proposals, but rather stick to the allegations that was made against the people that are behind that proposals. OP wants us to look at the people backing these proposals and what their motives could be, if they received that position and power.

I would like to see more debate going on about the background and history of these people and if they could be a threat to the technology, if their only reason for supporting it, would be to exploit it later.    

[gmaxwell]

People who make bad judgements tend to make bad judgements in many areas. It doesn't have to be more diabolical than that.

[Lucko]

OK so promised smear campaign just started...

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/426f2l/sf_bitcoin_dev_meetup_coorganizer_gives_gavin/
https://imgur.com/OyI1wJ2

Not surprised who is involved...

Probably my last post before ban but who cares...

[Lauda]

Good thing Core has sane, reasonable folks like Luke Jr. to learn us all some religion. Innit?

 

This is a false comparison and thus a fallacy. If you're going to be comparing side that you should be comparing Wladimir to the brothers, because he "runs the show" in Core. I'm assuming you are talking about his proposal to change the mining algorithm.

There may be more development in secret. Rather than having public activity on github they seem to have mostly done code dumps with their initial patches. It certainly seems more dead than even XT did.

I still see a fair number of XT nodes indeed.
You're starting to become ripe for the ignore list.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

This is a false comparison and thus a fallacy. If you're going to be comparing side that you should be comparing Wladimir to the brothers

Ok. Compare the brothers Toomin as a unit to Wladimir. Bend this crooked line of thought any way you want. It wont help.

I'm assuming you are talking about his proposal to change the mining algorithm.

I tried some of the drugs once way back in my hay day. I never dabbled in religious fundamentalism before tho.

luke-jr -1 points 1 day ago
The modern "Israel" is, like all other modern governments, merely a tool of Satan's

Not even once.

People who make bad judgements tend to make bad judgements in many areas. It doesn't have to be more diabolical than that.

[_mr_e]

The people behind the fork don't matter at all, just like who satoshi is doesn't matter either. The code will speak for itself as a simple 2mb patch, once the network is forked and core is forced to adapt or die(they'll likely adapt by merging the 2mb patch), people can feel free to move back to core or another implementation.

What a ridiculous smear campaign that has absolutely nothing to do with anything important to the issue at hand. How low will you people go?

[danielW]

Even Mike Redlist/Passport/Banks-r-great Hearn was better lol

You should post this on r/bitcoin and give link here.

[danielW]

The people behind the fork don't matter at all, just like who satoshi is doesn't matter either. The code will speak for itself as a simple 2mb patch, once the network is forked and core is forced to adapt or die(they'll likely adapt by merging the 2mb patch), people can feel free to move back to core or another implementation.

What a ridiculous smear campaign that has absolutely nothing to do with anything important to the issue at hand. How low will you people go?

Rubbish its not about code its about taking control of Bitcoin. The change was minimal, irrelevant in effect, its only purpose is to be different then core to get people to use different client. Coinbase said that it wants Bitcoin run by different team led by Gavin.