My Swing Developer / Hero account stolen - sold to Altcoin4Life in scam loan

[Altcoin4life]

Done.

Also I just meant that it'd be at risk if you decided to sell it to recover your losses.

I did not mean to imply you would try to infect my community my apologies.

Once you return the account I will be sure to post positive rep from both SwingDev and MurderousKirk.

OK thanks

I HAVE NO INTENTION OF SELLING THIS ACCOUNT.

ALSO ONCE YOU GET YOUR ACCOUNT BACK YOU CAN CONTACT THE USERS THAT LEFT MURDEROUSKIRK NEG TRUST TO CONFIRM YOU HAVE GOT YOUR ACCOUNT BACK AND CAN THEY PLEASE REMOVE THEIR NEG TRUST THEY LEFT KIRK.

I WILL GIVE THE ACCOUNT BACK TO YOU, PLEASE WAIT.

ONCE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE ACCOUNT PLEASE POST HERE AS WELL AS YOUR DEV THREAD CONFIRMING THE ACCOUNT HAS BEEN RETURNED TO YOU SO THAT THE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN YOUR SWINGCOIN WILL KNOW.

Thanks
Altcoin4life

[suchmoon]

murderouskirk, when you get your account back please post a signed message here in this thread.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

<snip>

You'll forgive us if we don't pity you for stressing out over something so inconsequential as a message board account. Your arrogance is not a good trait in this scenario, someone else has lost money because of your incompetence and you want to walk away for free. This is your fault at the end of the day, at the least you did not use a secure password on your account and at the worst you have stolen a loan.

There are two options that I can see: You pay altcoin half of what he lost to have the account returned or have the account returned for free, but receive a tsunami of negative rep making it useless.

Oh the fucking irony.  This is totally scammer logic--if you're too stupid to keep your stuff locked up, it's OK to steal it.  It's his account, period.  All the other whining and bargaining that Altcoin4life is doing is trying to put unwarranted blame on the scam-ee.  Swingdev might have been lax, but that's the extent of the blame on his end.

[SwingDev]

Hi Altcoin4life,

That's great!

When and where can I expect my account info?

[actmyname]

<snip>

You'll forgive us if we don't pity you for stressing out over something so inconsequential as a message board account. Your arrogance is not a good trait in this scenario, someone else has lost money because of your incompetence and you want to walk away for free. This is your fault at the end of the day, at the least you did not use a secure password on your account and at the worst you have stolen a loan.

There are two options that I can see: You pay altcoin half of what he lost to have the account returned or have the account returned for free, but receive a tsunami of negative rep making it useless.

Oh the fucking irony.  This is totally scammer logic--if you're too stupid to keep your stuff locked up, it's OK to steal it.  It's his account, period.  All the other whining and bargaining that Altcoin4life is doing is trying to put unwarranted blame on the scam-ee.  Swingdev might have been lax, but that's the extent of the blame on his end.

Altcoin was only exacerbating the situation. In reality, there is no point of trying to sell it back to Swingdev. By returning the account, it shows good character and although 0.13 BTC is a lot of money that had been lost, it can be recoverable. It'll just make you look bad.

At least Altcoin4life is returning the account. Props to him for recognizing the situation.

[whywefight]

glad to see altcoin4life is returning it.

[SwingDev]

I guess he went to bed. Not seeing anything from him yet. Checked my email and nothing from him or Theymos. No messages either.

He has also not removed the negative rep on this profile, which I don't care about, just pointing out that he said he would after I did and has since responded.

He must have gotten busy and forgot to remove it.

OK please remove your feedback, i will also remove my negative as well.

Done.

Also I just meant that it'd be at risk if you decided to sell it to recover your losses.

I did not mean to imply you would try to infect my community my apologies.

Once you return the account I will be sure to post positive rep from both SwingDev and MurderousKirk.

OK thanks

I HAVE NO INTENTION OF SELLING THIS ACCOUNT.

ALSO ONCE YOU GET YOUR ACCOUNT BACK YOU CAN CONTACT THE USERS THAT LEFT MURDEROUSKIRK NEG TRUST TO CONFIRM YOU HAVE GOT YOUR ACCOUNT BACK AND CAN THEY PLEASE REMOVE THEIR NEG TRUST THEY LEFT KIRK.

I WILL GIVE THE ACCOUNT BACK TO YOU, PLEASE WAIT.

ONCE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE ACCOUNT PLEASE POST HERE AS WELL AS YOUR DEV THREAD CONFIRMING THE ACCOUNT HAS BEEN RETURNED TO YOU SO THAT THE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN YOUR SWINGCOIN WILL KNOW.

Thanks
Altcoin4life

[Fortify]

<snip>

You'll forgive us if we don't pity you for stressing out over something so inconsequential as a message board account. Your arrogance is not a good trait in this scenario, someone else has lost money because of your incompetence and you want to walk away for free. This is your fault at the end of the day, at the least you did not use a secure password on your account and at the worst you have stolen a loan.

There are two options that I can see: You pay altcoin half of what he lost to have the account returned or have the account returned for free, but receive a tsunami of negative rep making it useless.

Oh the fucking irony.  This is totally scammer logic--if you're too stupid to keep your stuff locked up, it's OK to steal it.  It's his account, period.  All the other whining and bargaining that Altcoin4life is doing is trying to put unwarranted blame on the scam-ee.  Swingdev might have been lax, but that's the extent of the blame on his end.

I don't think you understand what irony is. Let's just be clear here: There is no evidence that Swingdev/Murderouskirk was hacked. It would not be the first time that a priviledged member here went rogue and came up with a woe me story to extract some cash from people - many times he mentioned having no money. Scammer logic? How do you know he didn't sell the account and then decided to go back on it? They both share the blame.

[SwingDev]

Hey Altcoin4Life, are you willing to release the whisper logs with marcos012 / MurderousKirk intruder?

I'm curious what that conversation looked like.

[Timelord2067]

Hi there, this is Altcoin4life

This is in regards to the neutral or negative trust you have left me in regards to the hack of account murderouskirk,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1343710.0;all

Just to let you know that me and swingdev the victim have finally agreed to settle this as he has provided a signed message.

I HAVE AGREED TO HAND BACK THE ACCOUNT OF  MURDEROUSKIRK BACK.

He has confirmed he will leave me positive trust from both accounts of swingdev and murderouskirk to confirm that he has got this account back and the real owner is in control of the account after the lender altcoin4life has returned it back.

PLEASE CAN YOU DELETE OR UPDATE THE NEUTRAL/NEGATIVE TRUST YOU HAVE LEFT ME.

Thanks
Altcoin4life

Exactly how in the negative feedback trust that you have left on my wall have I scammed you out of 0.13 BTC ?

Or SwingDev , or suchmoon or Lutpin for that matter?

Timelord2067 1: -0 / +1   2016-01-29   0.13000000   Reference   Has left negative feedback in haste while me and the original owner of hacked account are trying to solve the issue.

Will remove this after it has been solved.

Thanks

You Altcoin4life are a lying - we have never traded.

[suchmoon]

Exactly how in the negative feedback trust that you have left on my wall have I scammed you out of 0.13 BTC ?

Or SwingDev , or suchmoon or Lutpin for that matter?

Timelord2067 1: -0 / +1   2016-01-29   0.13000000   Reference   Has left negative feedback in haste while me and the original owner of hacked account are trying to solve the issue.

Will remove this after it has been solved.

Thanks

You Altcoin4life are a lying - we have never traded.

Well I got a neg too, even though my feedback for Altcoin4life was neutral and reflected on his/her lending practices, not the pissing match with SwingDev.

Has left negative feedback in haste while me and the original owner of hacked account are trying to solve the issue.

Will remove this after it has been solved.

Thanks

I guess the plan was to promise to return the account and get the feedback removed... but not necessarily actually return it. For now you're getting a neg for trust abuse. Note that this is still not about your account dispute but rather about your behavior and trustworthiness (or lack thereof) in general.

Here is the relevant PM:

Hi there, this is Altcoin4life

This is in regards to the neutral or negative trust you have left me in regards to the hack of account murderouskirk,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1343710.0;all

Just to let you know that me and swingdev the victim have finally agreed to settle this as he has provided a signed message.

I HAVE AGREED TO HAND BACK THE ACCOUNT OF  MURDEROUSKIRK BACK.

He has confirmed he will leave me positive trust from both accounts of swingdev and murderouskirk to confirm that he has got this account back and the real owner is in control of the account after the lender altcoin4life has returned it back.

PLEASE CAN YOU DELETE OR UPDATE THE NEUTRAL/NEGATIVE TRUST YOU HAVE LEFT ME.

Thanks
Altcoin4life

[Altcoin4life]

I guess he went to bed. Not seeing anything from him yet. Checked my email and nothing from him or Theymos. No messages either.

He has also not removed the negative rep on this profile, which I don't care about, just pointing out that he said he would after I did and has since responded.

He must have gotten busy and forgot to remove it.

OK please remove your feedback, i will also remove my negative as well.

Done.

Also I just meant that it'd be at risk if you decided to sell it to recover your losses.

I did not mean to imply you would try to infect my community my apologies.

Once you return the account I will be sure to post positive rep from both SwingDev and MurderousKirk.

OK thanks

I HAVE NO INTENTION OF SELLING THIS ACCOUNT.

ALSO ONCE YOU GET YOUR ACCOUNT BACK YOU CAN CONTACT THE USERS THAT LEFT MURDEROUSKIRK NEG TRUST TO CONFIRM YOU HAVE GOT YOUR ACCOUNT BACK AND CAN THEY PLEASE REMOVE THEIR NEG TRUST THEY LEFT KIRK.

I WILL GIVE THE ACCOUNT BACK TO YOU, PLEASE WAIT.

ONCE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE ACCOUNT PLEASE POST HERE AS WELL AS YOUR DEV THREAD CONFIRMING THE ACCOUNT HAS BEEN RETURNED TO YOU SO THAT THE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN YOUR SWINGCOIN WILL KNOW.

Thanks
Altcoin4life

Hi swingdev

Just to let you know i have removed the neg trust from your profile

Also to the others who have left me neg trust.....

I ACCEPT MY LENDING PRACTICES WHERE NOT UP TO STANDARD. THIS IS A GOOD REASON WHY II AM GIVING THE ACCOUNT BACK!


BUT YOU SHOULD BE PATIENT WHILE ME AND SWINGDEV TRY AND TALK AND SORT THIS ISSUE OUT.

INSTEAD YOU HAVE DECIDED TO LEAVE NEG TRUST AND YOU ARE THE ONE DOING TRUST ABUSE.

ALSO I KNOW THAT THE FEEDBACK SPAMMERS HAVE NOT LOST MONEY.... BUT THEY ARE SIMPLY LEAVING NEG TRUST WHILE THE ISSUE HAS NOT BEEN SOLVED.

Thanks

[DarkStar_]

I guess he went to bed. Not seeing anything from him yet. Checked my email and nothing from him or Theymos. No messages either.

He has also not removed the negative rep on this profile, which I don't care about, just pointing out that he said he would after I did and has since responded.

He must have gotten busy and forgot to remove it.

OK please remove your feedback, i will also remove my negative as well.

Done.

Also I just meant that it'd be at risk if you decided to sell it to recover your losses.

I did not mean to imply you would try to infect my community my apologies.

Once you return the account I will be sure to post positive rep from both SwingDev and MurderousKirk.

OK thanks

I HAVE NO INTENTION OF SELLING THIS ACCOUNT.

ALSO ONCE YOU GET YOUR ACCOUNT BACK YOU CAN CONTACT THE USERS THAT LEFT MURDEROUSKIRK NEG TRUST TO CONFIRM YOU HAVE GOT YOUR ACCOUNT BACK AND CAN THEY PLEASE REMOVE THEIR NEG TRUST THEY LEFT KIRK.

I WILL GIVE THE ACCOUNT BACK TO YOU, PLEASE WAIT.

ONCE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE ACCOUNT PLEASE POST HERE AS WELL AS YOUR DEV THREAD CONFIRMING THE ACCOUNT HAS BEEN RETURNED TO YOU SO THAT THE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN YOUR SWINGCOIN WILL KNOW.

Thanks
Altcoin4life

Hi swingdev

Just to let you know i have removed the neg trust from your profile

Also to the others who have left me neg trust.....

I ACCEPT MY LENDING PRACTICES WHERE NOT UP TO STANDARD. THIS IS A GOOD REASON WHY II AM GIVING THE ACCOUNT BACK!


BUT YOU SHOULD BE PATIENT WHILE ME AND SWINGDEV TRY AND TALK AND SORT THIS ISSUE OUT.

INSTEAD YOU HAVE DECIDED TO LEAVE NEG TRUST AND YOU ARE THE ONE DOING TRUST ABUSE.

ALSO I KNOW THAT THE FEEDBACK SPAMMERS HAVE NOT LOST MONEY.... BUT THEY ARE SIMPLY LEAVING NEG TRUST WHILE THE ISSUE HAS NOT BEEN SOLVED.

Thanks

It is true that they have not lost money, but they put a risked amount of 0 BTC. You claim you had risked 0.13 BTC with suchmoon, which is not true (unless you were dealing in PMs).

[SwingDev]

Hi Altcoin4Life,

How / when do you want to proceed?

Thanks.

[Lutpin]

So you honestly left me 2 negative feedbacks for "FALSE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK SPAM",
whilst all I did is posting a neutral comment on your profile, regarding this issue?

You are more and more looking like a clown here, your feedback to me (and others) says "while me and the original owner of hacked account are trying to solve the issue"
but from all I read, you are stonewalling SwingDev here, and only delaying the positive resolution of this whole mess.

Just as a reminder of the situation: You did something stupid, you made a mistake! And as an answer for a comment I made about this on your profile page,
you leave me 2 negative feedbacks?! Claiming a lost amount of 0.13btc in one of them?

I honestly believed in a positive end of this, but seeing that you just went rouge with all your feedbacks, I might have to let this go, and leave you a neg after all (which I still didn't do, get your facts straight, you clown).

[Timelord2067]

suchmoon , Lutpin and myself have now received a second negative trust - this time the trust doesn't carry a dollar value.

Timelord2067 1: -0 / +1   2016-01-30   0.00000000      FALSE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK SPAM WHILE I AM TRYING TO SOLVE THE ISSUE WITH SWINGDEV HACKED ACCOUNT

HAS NO PATIENCE TO WAIT UNTIL ISSUE SOLVED

Thanks
Altcoin4life

I left my first negative after you responded to this

(blah)

Also how was it hacked in the first place? Bad password? Malware downloaded?
I really would like to know how the account got compromised in the first place.

Also i did not say i will NEVER give the account back, i wanted to know about these details first.

Yeah those are right questions exactly what i would like to ask swingdev.He also didnt stated how he was hacked.He only mentioned he was hacked.Was that enough ??

Am I the only one who recalls this whole forum was offline some six or eight months ago and all of us were sent an email stating we had to change our passwords upon restarting of the forum due to a bulk password hack attack?

Altcoin4life

You are handling stolen goods.  Think about the real world consequences of that crime.

by saying you would only return the account with conditions attached. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1343710.msg13716500#msg13716500

OK i have made a decision. I WILL GIVE THE ACCOUNT BACK SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.

I was prepared to chage my negative to neutral after reading your private message to me

Hi there, this is Altcoin4life

This is in regards to the neutral or negative trust you have left me in regards to the hack of account murderouskirk,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1343710.0;all

Just to let you know that me and swingdev the victim have finally agreed to settle this as he has provided a signed message.

I HAVE AGREED TO HAND BACK THE ACCOUNT OF  MURDEROUSKIRK BACK.

He has confirmed he will leave me positive trust from both accounts of swingdev and murderouskirk to confirm that he has got this account back and the real owner is in control of the account after the lender altcoin4life has returned it back.

PLEASE CAN YOU DELETE OR UPDATE THE NEUTRAL/NEGATIVE TRUST YOU HAVE LEFT ME.

Thanks
Altcoin4life

However as of today

Hi Altcoin4Life,

How / when do you want to proceed?

Thanks.

You still haven't returned the account.  I may be fairly new to the business of spotting scammers.  But I sure can spot a temper tantrum when I see one.

You need, as a matter of urgency, to return the account as agreed.  If for no other reason than to save face.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

This is bullshit behavior on the part of altcoin, and why am I not surprised here?  He's only in this for himself and only agreed to return this account after people started leaving him (-) trust.  And now he's retaliating.  Fuck that.

[Timelord2067]

This is bullshit behavior on the part of altcoin, and why am I not surprised here?  He's only in this for himself and only agreed to return this account after people started leaving him (-) trust.  And now he's retaliating.  Fuck that.

Now I have to go to work, so I won't be able to look in for another twelve or more hours now.  I hope this nonsense is resolved before I get back.

[rezilient]

This is bullshit behavior on the part of altcoin, and why am I not surprised here?  He's only in this for himself and only agreed to return this account after people started leaving him (-) trust.  And now he's retaliating.  Fuck that.

I guess .13BTC is worth more than the reputation that he is trying to build, kudos for him for prolonging this sob story.

It might take awhile for him to get those red marks removed and the only users who will be interested in his lending thread are the scammers.

seriously, ruining your reputation and money making service for .13BTC

[suchmoon]

suchmoon , Lutpin and myself have now received a second negative trust - this time the trust doesn't carry a dollar value.

Timelord2067 1: -0 / +1   2016-01-30   0.00000000      FALSE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK SPAM WHILE I AM TRYING TO SOLVE THE ISSUE WITH SWINGDEV HACKED ACCOUNT

HAS NO PATIENCE TO WAIT UNTIL ISSUE SOLVED

Thanks
Altcoin4life

I don't get what is there to "solve". Altcoin4life, just return the damn account, or not, and move on. Stop mucking around with negative trust and general butthurt, nobody cares.