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Question: Please refer to the image below and answer:  Aren't we in a state of denial?  (Voting closed: February 27, 2016, 07:17:44 AM)
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January 28, 2016, 03:37:40 PM
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@OP: What is your time perspective?
If we talk about daily trading and maximum 2-3 months, then maybe yes. Otherwise if we take the big picture, we just ended the long bear that started at Mt. Gox.
Therefore we are between Depression and Hope. And that would explain a lot why you started this topic.

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January 28, 2016, 03:49:38 PM
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According to Hearn, we will be in denial. And it is possible we are, but I want to think I am still in "hope"

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January 28, 2016, 11:18:08 PM
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I guess I'd put myself in hope at the moment but if price goes down back to depression a bit longer
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January 28, 2016, 11:41:53 PM
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I'm not sure any of that applies to bitcoin--those market cycles apply to business, i.e., stocks.  Take a look at precious metals.  Gold and silver don't follow anything that resembles that, or if they do the cycle is extremely long.  And if bitcoin does obey market cycles then I'm totally confused as to where we're at.  Seems like bitcoin just cycles up and down, sometimes very quickly.

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January 28, 2016, 11:55:51 PM
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This is of course dependent on your time frame as a trader or investor.

Judging from my point of view the $460 - $500 USD price was a peak.
The price has been declining since. So then, yes this could be the denial phase.

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January 29, 2016, 12:17:49 AM
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This is of course dependent on your time frame as a trader or investor.

Judging from my point of view the $460 - $500 USD price was a peak.
The price has been declining since. So then, yes this could be the denial phase.

If so, then that means it could go down further...

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January 29, 2016, 12:32:49 AM
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January 29, 2016, 12:36:51 AM
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^^^^^
Good one, I wish I had this idea! Cheesy
Coming soon, the fear phase... Wink

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January 29, 2016, 12:38:24 AM
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Yes I like that. Very clever. Cheesy

Fear phase at ~320?

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January 29, 2016, 01:11:42 AM
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I reached panic a few minutes ago, so... yeah. Imma buy tomorrow. See how it works out.

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I would say somewhere between hope and relief. I think we already hit the bottom and while we haven't had the price skyrocket yet it is an upward trend

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January 29, 2016, 01:58:49 AM
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This is exactly what I had in mind!  I will post this in the OP.

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January 29, 2016, 03:11:18 AM
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gotta test 320 again before we know this last uptrend wasnt a suckers rally! so if you flip that chart I would say we are in the fear zone of an upward trend (Bear Trap)
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January 29, 2016, 03:30:48 AM
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gotta test 320 again before we know this last uptrend wasnt a suckers rally! so if you flip that chart I would say we are in the fear zone of an upward trend (Bear Trap)

I have the same thought.  But that's what made me ask myself if this is me in denial or not...

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January 29, 2016, 08:52:21 AM
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Now that the new market cycle pic almost closely represents reality, people tend to avoid the topic of denial.

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gotta test 320 again before we know this last uptrend wasnt a suckers rally! so if you flip that chart I would say we are in the fear zone of an upward trend (Bear Trap)

I have the same thought.  But that's what made me ask myself if this is me in denial or not...
I don't think it is a necessary condition to test $320s in order to resume the growth. The support cluster between $400 and $350 looks pretty rock solid and for now I don't see the arguments for breaking $350 support lines. In the most recent attempts bears had thrown all but kitchen sink (Mike's retirement, Cryptsy, etc.), and yet were not able to break $350. Now having said that, I also currently don't see solid arguments for further growth. Meaning, there is the third option: more of sidewards trend. Pretty boring and very exhausting for investors (not to say all the quick guys in this forum), but also part of the game. To me we will stay a little longer while sidewards. There is no such option on your picture, though.

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January 29, 2016, 01:14:00 PM
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I dont think we're gonna see another capitulation fase again while this ''denial'' situation is just created by the block-size debat.

I take my bet on relief and optimism, the only obstacle before a decent lift-off is the block-size issue, wich is a luxury problem. There is enough brainpower in the BTC pool to solve it.

Block-size fix+incomming halving+Blockchain media fenzy wil trigger a run up...i'm gonna eat my cat food if that doesn't happen.
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Emphasis on the red dot.  I would also like to hear some of your comments on this.  Thanks.


Always interesting to be reminded of these market psychology - market state profiles, because no matter how many times we see these things, and recognise our own past errors in these schematics, we (or most of us), repeat the same old trader fails, time and time again.

I am not sure whether we can class Bitcoin as a commodity or a currency, but Bitcoin is similar to a commodity in that it has a clear cost of production. Commodities don't generally go much below the cost of production, because beneath a certain price point, it just isn't worth the producers effort to bring the commodity to the market place.

So what is the cost of producing Bitcoin? How much does it cost the miners, who maintain the whole network, to keep their mining farms switched on. That cost greatly varies, depending on who you are, where you are based, and what sort of deal you have with the power company. For miners who are currently in operation, that cost ranges anywhere between $150 - $300. Miners with a greater cost of production than that, would have been forced out the game during 2015, leaving the mining capacity in increasingly fewer hands (so much for decentralised money of freedom - lol). Indeed, it is entirely likely that the big Chinese Miners, deliberately pushed Bitcoin down into the dirt, where only they could breath, in order to shake off the 'weak' competition from their game. Perhaps not a lot unlike what is happening with oil prices today, with the US/West happy up to a point to 'tolerate' Saudi Arabia keeping the market flooded with oil, in order that enemies of Petrodollar hegemony are squeezed, with the idea of forcing them to capitulate thier hands in other key areas.

So, we have had an entire year, of Bitcoin being priced at near production levels, forcing all but the most large scale mining operations out of the game. And we have the halving event just 6 months or so down the road. We have had our 'price war', where the Chinese Bitcoin Cowboys have emerged has clear overall winners, with action on Chinese exchanges now dominating the whole market. With the average cost of production set to double, presuming that Bitcoin isn't going away anytime soon, what must by logical definition happen to the spot price of Bitcoin? Soon, $300 will be the very minimum cost of producing 1 BTC and generally, commodities trade at a premium to production costs.

I believe that there will be more scares to come, and that the $350 low will be breached, and panic selling will ensue. But as per your market pyschology/state diagram, there does indeed come a time, when the bottom is well and truly in and that bottom happened one year ago. What we have now, are the Chinese BTC Cabal, pumping n dumping, swishing coins around to sucker traders in, and then scare them back out of trades, and suck all their wealth from them. 'They' want as few filthy white foreign barbarians getting in on 'their' action at optimal prices as possible. 'They' want us to be buying in, chasing momentum which they will generate.

$650 BTC is a very logical target for many reasons, and whilst I suspect a lot of resitance around here, in the long run, I can see $800 Bitcoin, and perhaps even a spike up to $1000 BTC......but of course, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see $320 BTC in the coming week or two, and a whole lot of doom n gloom surrounding the move down there.



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So I guess the answer will depend on the market then?  If it goes down sub 300 it's denial, if it continues going up we're at optimism...?  And since no one can really predict the market, how do we really know if it's denial or optimism?

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