Drugs fuck you up, man

[tommorisonwebdesign]

So for this politics topic I wanted to talk specifically about the harmful effects of illegal drugs and how the forum's users' cities' drug problem are. I will start off by saying that I have cerebral palsy and some mental health issues and to any casual observer, I may be a user of crack cocaine. This is not the case however; I have schizo-effective disorder. I do embarrass myself in public from time to time but I am doing my best.

Is there a rampant drug use problem in your city? In Vancouver, it seems everyone is on something. Soiled cloths, staggering. People love their drugs. To top it all off the drunks assault the alleged drug addicts. (I got assaulted by some douche keeping his neighborhood safe. Ignorance is bliss, ignorance is bliss.

How's the drug problem in your city?

[Lituation]

There's no problem in my country. I think USA (and Canada, because you are from Vancouver) had this problem for more than 30 years. 80's generation is crack babies, we can expect these conclusions because government had no policies back then. They want American people to sleep. If you educate yourself you wouldn't do any drugs.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

So for this politics topic I wanted to talk specifically about the harmful effects of illegal drugs and how the forum's users' cities' drug problem are. I will start off by saying that I have cerebral palsy and some mental health issues and to any casual observer, I may be a user of crack cocaine. This is not the case however; I have schizo-effective disorder. I do embarrass myself in public from time to time but I am doing my best.

Is there a rampant drug use problem in your city? In Vancouver, it seems everyone is on something. Soiled cloths, staggering. People love their drugs. To top it all off the drunks assault the alleged drug addicts. (I got assaulted by some douche keeping his neighborhood safe. Ignorance is bliss, ignorance is bliss.

How's the drug problem in your city?

Very bad.  I work in a drug treatment center, and I've seen at least 6 of our clients die in the past year from overdoses, and we even had a nonfatal overdose right in our facility.  Luckily we keep a Narcan kit in our med room.  The word on the street is that the heroin is being cut with stuff like Fentanyl and some weird veterinary drugs like clembuterol, which I'm not sure has any sort of advantage over inert agents.  I give education groups about the risks of this stuff, but you can't scare addicts into staying clean.  If only we could.

So yeah, it's bad in my town.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

So for this politics topic I wanted to talk specifically about the harmful effects of illegal drugs and how the forum's users' cities' drug problem are. I will start off by saying that I have cerebral palsy and some mental health issues and to any casual observer, I may be a user of crack cocaine. This is not the case however; I have schizo-effective disorder. I do embarrass myself in public from time to time but I am doing my best.

Is there a rampant drug use problem in your city? In Vancouver, it seems everyone is on something. Soiled cloths, staggering. People love their drugs. To top it all off the drunks assault the alleged drug addicts. (I got assaulted by some douche keeping his neighborhood safe. Ignorance is bliss, ignorance is bliss.

How's the drug problem in your city?

Very bad.  I work in a drug treatment center, and I've seen at least 6 of our clients die in the past year from overdoses, and we even had a nonfatal overdose right in our facility.  Luckily we keep a Narcan kit in our med room.  The word on the street is that the heroin is being cut with stuff like Fentanyl and some weird veterinary drugs like clembuterol, which I'm not sure has any sort of advantage over inert agents.  I give education groups about the risks of this stuff, but you can't scare addicts into staying clean.  If only we could.

So yeah, it's bad in my town.

The sum total of suffering in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation.

[iv4n]

So for this politics topic I wanted to talk specifically about the harmful effects of illegal drugs and how the forum's users' cities' drug problem are. I will start off by saying that I have cerebral palsy and some mental health issues and to any casual observer, I may be a user of crack cocaine. This is not the case however; I have schizo-effective disorder. I do embarrass myself in public from time to time but I am doing my best.

Is there a rampant drug use problem in your city? In Vancouver, it seems everyone is on something. Soiled cloths, staggering. People love their drugs. To top it all off the drunks assault the alleged drug addicts. (I got assaulted by some douche keeping his neighborhood safe. Ignorance is bliss, ignorance is bliss.

How's the drug problem in your city?

Watch documentary "American drug war" guy explained there very good about drug problems. Inform yourself about everything first, read a bit C. Casteneda. After that u will see that word "drug" doesnt exist!!!
Lets make it clear for beggining there is some herb`s, and there is chemical products. U also have these two thing combined to get something "better".
Herb open your mind, everything else fuck u up!
End of disccusion about it!
Now people will use anything to run away from reallity but they use things that posin their mind and body`s.  Its forbidden by governments to use some herbs but its not forbidden to use who know what kind of mixes.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

So for this politics topic I wanted to talk specifically about the harmful effects of illegal drugs and how the forum's users' cities' drug problem are. I will start off by saying that I have cerebral palsy and some mental health issues and to any casual observer, I may be a user of crack cocaine. This is not the case however; I have schizo-effective disorder. I do embarrass myself in public from time to time but I am doing my best.

Is there a rampant drug use problem in your city? In Vancouver, it seems everyone is on something. Soiled cloths, staggering. People love their drugs. To top it all off the drunks assault the alleged drug addicts. (I got assaulted by some douche keeping his neighborhood safe. Ignorance is bliss, ignorance is bliss.

How's the drug problem in your city?

Very bad.  I work in a drug treatment center, and I've seen at least 6 of our clients die in the past year from overdoses, and we even had a nonfatal overdose right in our facility.  Luckily we keep a Narcan kit in our med room.  The word on the street is that the heroin is being cut with stuff like Fentanyl and some weird veterinary drugs like clembuterol, which I'm not sure has any sort of advantage over inert agents.  I give education groups about the risks of this stuff, but you can't scare addicts into staying clean.  If only we could.

So yeah, it's bad in my town.

The sum total of suffering in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation.

I agree but fortunately we're only exposed to a little of it at a time.  For the most part.  And I try to bring a little bit of hope to our patients and show them that a good life exists beyond the drugs, but that it takes time to get there.  The worst is dealing with their families, who are usually scared and hurting.

Also, heroin has been in our local newspaper so frequently in the past 2 years it's unbelievable.

[DesignDerby.co.uk]

Then I guess life fucks you up to, because thats one hell of a drug.

[mrflibblehat]

I think that drugs should be legal.
People that want to destroy themselves do it anyway, and governments instead of spending money to fight drugs should get money from drugs by taxing them big time, like alcohol, cigarettes and luxury items.

[gentlemand]

I went to school in a small holiday town by the sea. The rave scene took off in the late 80s and most of my little friends became zombies for a good while and good old heroin has always been there waiting in the background. I seem to have known an absurd number of junkies. When I looked in on the same place a few decades on most of them were still at it if they weren't dead or vegetables.

I've never done an illicit drug that had any effect on me so it doesn't compute for me and never will but it is absolutely everywhere. I don't have much sympathy, especially junkies, the evidence of what you'll become is right in front of you when you buy it, but I don't really see the point of criminalising users.

Like anything no drug addict will be able to throw it in unless they actually want to. It's no good feeling that you should. No way I'd ever bother associating with any type of addict any more. Drugs and booze might kill you but the most horrific effect is how fucking tedious they make you.

[UliJonHoth]

It is bad here in Houston. I had moved away for a few years due to work and when I moved back, nearly everyone I knew was hooked on pain pills, muscle relaxers, or xanax - or a combination of the three. There are a ton of pain clinics here, Houston and Tampa were the two main hubs in the US but they've enacted legislation to try and control the problem but it is still going on. We've got the meth and coke, too. Houston being such a large city and near the border we've got tons of it here - heroin, too - especially since the pills have been made harder to get by the feds, now more people are switching to heroin as it is cheaper and easier to get. I had taken a second job working security at a club a while back and was shocked at the amount of people still doing coke and meth, people who upon first glance you wouldn't even think were drug users. I'm just glad I stopped when I did in my younger days, it may seem fun at first but there is nothing good that comes of it.

[bryant.coleman]

Once again, you are all ignoring the best solution for this. We should make all sorts of drugs legal. That will reduce the crime rate and gradually the drug consumption rates will also come down. Countries such as Uruguay and Portugal have legalized drugs, and they have witnessed sharp drop in deaths due to drug overdose.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Once again, you are all ignoring the best solution for this. We should make all sorts of drugs legal. That will reduce the crime rate and gradually the drug consumption rates will also come down. Countries such as Uruguay and Portugal have legalized drugs, and they have witnessed sharp drop in deaths due to drug overdose.

I'm not ignoring that at all, and I agree that drugs should be made legal.  It's an unholy shitfuck of a mess that criminalization has created, and any "war" on drugs is a joke.  But for those who get addicted--and there are going to always be plenty of them, legalization isn't exactly helping them nor is legalization a cure.  And I do have sympathy for addicts, with limits.  Some people are born predisposed to addiction, some are not. 

[Spendulus]

Once again, you are all ignoring the best solution for this. We should make all sorts of drugs legal. That will reduce the crime rate and gradually the drug consumption rates will also come down. Countries such as Uruguay and Portugal have legalized drugs, and they have witnessed sharp drop in deaths due to drug overdose.

I'm not ignoring that at all, and I agree that drugs should be made legal.  It's an unholy shitfuck of a mess that criminalization has created, and any "war" on drugs is a joke.  But for those who get addicted--and there are going to always be plenty of them, legalization isn't exactly helping them nor is legalization a cure.  And I do have sympathy for addicts, with limits.  Some people are born predisposed to addiction, some are not.  

Bit of an oversimplification, though, to assert that "all drugs" should be made legal.

Legal can be thought of as produced by legitimate businesses with quality control in place, then sold at some type of legitimate store or outlet at prices comparable to street prices (otherwise people buy on the street.)

It's easy to say this regarding the marihuana issues.

I would likely allow legalization of at least some hallucinogenics.  LSD, cactus.  There's certainly a long track record with these and some understanding of them.

What about opiates?  All?  Some?  Why?

What about meth?

Now what about cocaine and crack?

[onlinedragon]

I think you can also enjoying drug when you do it not that much. It can give you for a short time an amazing feeling and a great night. So far alcohol is also really bad for you and that don't looks like an problem to most people.

[Spendulus]

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Watch documentary "American drug war" guy explained there very good about drug problems. Inform yourself about everything first, read a bit C. Casteneda. After that u will see that word "drug" doesnt exist!!!
Lets make it clear for beggining there is some herb`s, and there is chemical products. U also have these two thing combined to get something "better".
Herb open your mind, everything else fuck u up!
End of disccusion about it!
Now people will use anything to run away from reallity but they use things that posin their mind and body`s.  Its forbidden by governments to use some herbs but its not forbidden to use who know what kind of mixes.

I'm not quite sure how to put this, but Casteneda isn't really worth reading.  He was a minor drug cult figure, and produced about 12 books.  There's really no understanding of Mexican culture that can be had from his work, and no real understanding of the old style shaman. 

Certainly it's possible to read about the native American cultures, and come to understand their use of things such as peyote.  But not from Casteneda.

[BADecker]

There are two categories, both of legal drugs, and of illegal ones.

Mostly, illegal drugs are the kind you can grow or make at home.

Mostly, the legal kind are drugs that it is difficult to make at home.

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Both kinds of drugs legal and illegal, fall into two categories, the kind that are good for you and the kind that are bad for you.

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The makers of drugs fall into two categories, the pharmacists and their companies, and average people.

The legal drug makers are the shrewd people who want to take your freedom away from you about illegal drugs, so that they can steal your money through legal drugs. They are smart enough to make illegal drugs illegal, so they can capture your health, and hold you hostage for ransom... pay us or you won't get the drugs you need. They are also smart enough to see that some easy-to-make-or-grow drugs are bad for you, and they use this as an excuse to push government into controlling you regarding those drugs.

The illegal drug makers are waking up. They are realizing that they have control over themselves, and that the big drug companies shouldn't be taking their freedom away from them. The example of this is that they are pushing legalization of marijuana. The thing that they should be doing is to get government out of their lives by repealing all the laws regarding illegal drugs, rather than legalizing the drugs.

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People need to understand that legalizing anything simply means that government has control.

Stand up people. Be men and women and get government to repeal all laws that they use to limit your freedom. This way you will be free, not under the thumb of legalization controls.

As examples, if alcohol and gasoline were not legal or illegal, the price would be a lot less because there would be no taxes on them.

[eon89]

Let there be taxes - at least then those drugs would gain some money instead of governments losing money trying to fight them.

[BADecker]

Let there be taxes - at least then those drugs would gain some money instead of governments losing money trying to fight them.

Taxes go to government, not to drug companies.   

[Lituation]

Let there be taxes - at least then those drugs would gain some money instead of governments losing money trying to fight them.

Taxes go to government, not to drug companies.   

Some governments offer free health care, so tax money goes to drug companies indirectly.
Maybe he pointed that out. If there's no free health care then no problem for government.

[mOgliE]

Once again, you are all ignoring the best solution for this. We should make all sorts of drugs legal. That will reduce the crime rate and gradually the drug consumption rates will also come down. Countries such as Uruguay and Portugal have legalized drugs, and they have witnessed sharp drop in deaths due to drug overdose.

Not legal. Nationalized. They should be produced distributed and controlled only by government. Without any kind of advertising and a good drug education in schools.

This way the money currently helping mafia would be in the hand of the government and would be used to get a better education and healthcare. That's a win win.