The CIA and Bitcoin

[moneyart]

Gavin Andresen had to go to the CIA and tell them how Bitcoin is working. Does anyone know more?

[AgentofCoin]

Gavin Andresen had to go to the CIA and tell them how Bitcoin is working. Does anyone know more?

Gavin's own words at the time.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6652.msg97181#msg97181

[GetClams.com]

Open Source? Public Ledger? CIA doesnt need Gavin for that. There are tons of professionals with that capability now.

[EndTheFed321]

yes, he also gave personal information on moneyart, AgentofCoin,GetClams.com and EndTheFed321

[Orangina]

Why would they need to ask Gavin anything on the first place ? I mean they are secret services , they could simply spy on him if you ask me .(It's not like they don't do it and they care about the law and that kind of shit) right?
In my opinion , if they really want to know how Bitcoin is doing or who really created Bitcoin etc ... then they would (If they don't already).

[CuntChocula]

yes, he also gave personal information on moneyart, AgentofCoin,GetClams.com and EndTheFed321

Doesn't the guy who run this forum provide such info whenever the feds ask him to?

[Mr Felt]

It is just CIA, there is no "the" in front. One person besides me in this thread gets it . . . .  

[justspare]

Why would they need to ask Gavin anything on the first place ? I mean they are secret services , they could simply spy on him if you ask me .(It's not like they don't do it and they care about the law and that kind of shit) right?
In my opinion , if they really want to know how Bitcoin is doing or who really created Bitcoin etc ... then they would (If they don't already).

I guess they just aren't bothered to do that spy stuff any more. But he gladly gave up the information. So what's the point of spying on him.

[BTCBinary]

There's a lot of people accusing him of working with the feds for a long time. So... there's a chance that he might have been in with them all along

[franky1]

here is a CIA conspiracy for you
everyone knows that googe, IBM, Microsoft all have government contracts (not the conspiracy im alluding to)

now.
imagine in 2013 it was set up that these public facing subcontractors of the CIA wanted to take over bitcoin.
they ofcourse wont have 1 plan, but several plans, multi fascited, bait and switch plans. (imagine the 3 shell game)

so here goes.
firstly get some of their own staff into the ranks of the development team. just to gauge the threat bitcoin can cause the IMF and other monetary competitors.
next set up some groups that show interest in growing bitcoin, getting the community engaged and discussing new possibilities for change. all while knowing your going to fail on 2 out of 3 of the groups. (purposefully) to win "sheeple victory" of the 3rd.

so you use your staff to move over to 2 groups you purposefully want to display as going against the grain of open public monetary freedom.
firstly XT. make it very public that they hate bitcoin(r3) and publicly state it will end(hearne) and something else will replace it. publicly known to be the bankers that caused the 2008 crises and the reason bitcoin wanted something different, that was not related to bankers..
you use the 3rd shell shills to make the community aware of the negative reasons not to keep the first shell, and to stick with shell 3, winning blind support for shell 3.
thus getting people angry at a small group that would never succeed anyway(shell 1), just to divert attention away from the real growing agenda inside shell 3

next you create a group that appears to do what the community want in terms of blocksize growth. but they have shady backers that are publicly looking corrupt. again its just a 3shell game to get people to look at the two shells, giving more time for the real agenda to grow under the 3rd shell unnoticed. which you know is the winner by default

eventually out of sheer exhaustion. the community throw away the first 2 shells and settle and accept the 3rd shell

now it time to lift the 3rd shell..
surprise: they too want to kill off bitcoin and replace it with something else.

now i will leave you with this:
core->blockstream->PriceWaterhouseCooper-> Google, Microsoft, IBM

(as i said its a conspiracy theory, so take it as a bit of comedy, but not complete fiction nor complete fact)

[Mr Felt]

here is a CIA conspiracy for you
everyone knows that googe, IBM, Microsoft all have government contracts (not the conspiracy im alluding to)

now.
imagine in 2013 it was set up that these public facing subcontractors of the CIA wanted to take over bitcoin.
they ofcourse wont have 1 plan, but several plans, multi fascited, bait and switch plans. (imagine the 3 shell game)

so here goes.
firstly get some of their own staff into the ranks of the development team. just to gauge the threat bitcoin can cause the IMF and other monetary competitors.
next set up some groups that show interest in growing bitcoin, getting the community engaged and discussing new possibilities for change. all while knowing your going to fail on 2 out of 3 of the groups. (purposefully) to win "sheeple victory" of the 3rd.

so you use your staff to move over to 2 groups you purposefully want to display as going against the grain of open public monetary freedom.
firstly XT. make it very public that they hate bitcoin(r3) and publicly state it will end(hearne) and something else will replace it. publicly known to be the bankers that caused the 2008 crises and the reason bitcoin wanted something different, that was not related to bankers..
you use the 3rd shell shills to make the community aware of the negative reasons not to keep the first shell, and to stick with shell 3, winning blind support for shell 3.
thus getting people angry at a small group that would never succeed anyway(shell 1), just to divert attention away from the real growing agenda inside shell 3

next you create a group that appears to do what the community want in terms of blocksize growth. but they have shady backers that are publicly looking corrupt. again its just a 3shell game to get people to look at the two shells, giving more time for the real agenda to grow under the 3rd shell unnoticed. which you know is the winner by default

eventually out of sheer exhaustion. the community throw away the first 2 shells and settle and accept the 3rd shell

now it time to lift the 3rd shell..
surprise: they too want to kill off bitcoin and replace it with something else.

now i will leave you with this:
core->blockstream->PriceWaterhouseCooper-> Google, Microsoft, IBM

(as i said its a conspiracy theory, so take it as a bit of comedy, but not complete fiction nor complete fact)

Just to add to the fun, but definitely NOT asserting any connection between any agency and bitcoin (at this time):

In Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey, the computer, HAL, is code for IBM.  H --> I, A --> B, L --> M.  

Edit - forgot to include the "NOT" above.

[onlinedragon]

They wanna know all what happens in the world. So possible they need a backdoor to catch the big guys.

[franky1]

Just to add to the fun, but definitely asserting any connection between any agency and bitcoin (at this time):

In Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey, the computer, HAL, is code for IBM.  H --> I, A --> B, L --> M.  

just to add more fun, and showing a bit more of a hashing method to this...
finney=google

finney

y=25
n=14
n=14

ynn=23 and oo


f+1=G (22 left)
L=12 (10 left)
10=6 and 4
4 minus 6= minus 2
i minus 2=g

Google

[BellaBitBit]

Open Source? Public Ledger? CIA doesnt need Gavin for that. There are tons of professionals with that capability now.

I think this might be right, they certainly have the staff to know what they need to know.

[Mr Felt]

ooooooooo (RE: Franky1's google breakdown)

nice!

[gentlemand]

Is there an unbroken, unedited video of Mr Andresen entering the CIA building, doing his business and then leaving it? If not then I think we need to assume that he was replaced by an android. I can't say I'm surprised.

[cjmoles]

I think that if there were any type of information about spying on Bitcoin, then Edward Snowden would've exposed that in his intelligence leaks. After all, he worked for both the CIA and the NSA. And isn't the NSA responsible for the creation of SHA256....  Why no mention from Snowden...? We know damn well they were watching!

Question: If Gavin's meeting with the CIA was so innocuous, why did Satoshi go underground?

[gentlemand]

I think that if there were any type of information about spying on Bitcoin, then Edward Snowden would've exposed that in his intelligence leaks.

Snowden's just one guy. There are plenty of layers higher than him. Anyway what need is there to 'spy' on Bitcoin? All the info you desire is readily accessible everywhere.

[cjmoles]

I think that if there were any type of information about spying on Bitcoin, then Edward Snowden would've exposed that in his intelligence leaks.

Snowden's just one guy. There are plenty of layers higher than him. Anyway what need is there to 'spy' on Bitcoin? All the info you desire is readily accessible everywhere.

Good question! But, why did they need to interview Gavin if they had all the information they desired anyway...I mean, Satoshi went dark right around that same time so....Hmmmm.

In the "hood," what Gavin did wouldn't fly!

[gentlemand]

Good question! But, why did they need to interview Gavin if they had all the information they desired anyway...I mean, Satoshi went dark right around that same time so....Hmmmm.

It's the CIA's business to stay on top of world developments and Bitcoin certainly is one of those. You may as well invite one of the guys in charge of it to come over for a few beers to learn some more rather than piece it together from a bunch of whiners on Reddit.