How I was scammed ......

[whywefight]

TeamViewer is a remote support tool. used by millions of people. it allows screensharing, remote control or net meetings. the problem isnt teamviewer, the problem sits between keyboard and chair, downloading software without having a clue what it is. When someone has remote control he might be able to do bad things. how about some tx ids showing funds are removed along with a signed message from those addresses.

teamviewer doesnt give you the ability to work super fast on the system you control. no way of just "baaaaaaaaaaam" all btc gone...

You can't blame it on software!
You know now your lesson!
I saw those administrators from India how they helps people in securing their pc from viruses online. Instead of security they install malwares and  administrator rights ..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9uTTXA-5dE

this video is total bullshit. calling malewarebytes "maleware" is like screaming "mooooooooooooon" on every stupid altcoin. ofc, downloading it from strange hosting sites may not be the way. i spent 50 minutes watching a stupid guy getting remote support from a very slow indian while the stupid guy puts stupid comments on screen. yeah blame the indians... and how the fuck are "administrator rights" are installed?

the way the indian guy did might not be the fastest and not the smartest and he didnt pay attention to what the customer said, but 99% of customers cant describe the problems. ofc telling about 100% protection is crap, but they didnt do something bad like you wrote. they trying to sell their support, thats it.

[shorena]

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teamviewer doesnt give you the ability to work super fast on the system you control. no way of just "baaaaaaaaaaam" all btc gone...
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No, I had more smoke and mirrors in mind. Something quick and simple like changing the payment address or the login url. However it seems OP is no longer following the thread or unwilling to give more details so its just speculation anyway.

[SebastianJu]

So to be exact, how dangerous is it to use it when you A) download and install it from the official source and B) the user is not enabling the option that the other person can do things on your pc... so that he only can see.

Can this still be exploitet so that the solution would be to never use teamviewer?

[whywefight]

So to be exact, how dangerous is it to use it when you A) download and install it from the official source and B) the user is not enabling the option that the other person can do things on your pc... so that he only can see.

Can this still be exploitet so that the solution would be to never use teamviewer?

Downloading TV from the hompegae is no risk at all. I could mirrior my screen to you all day long, you could just watch what i do. If i give you full remote access and leave you alone then, you could do whatever you want.

[Le Petit Prince]

Never download anything especially a exe file. Remember.

[foggyb]

You used to scam? Sorry I have no sympathy for you. As others have said, never allow someone to take control of your computer!

[JosNekoKopa]

Strange story! Full of beginners mistakes?
You just gave him all privileges of your pc..I can't understand that kind of naivety?
Maybe this topic was created for open discussion not for finding truth.
Just like Pulp Fiction

[LiberOptions]

damn son... that was extremelly harsh...
At least you now know how to avoid these squemes

[virtualdn]

with that program he had access to your drive... never trust anyone you don't know online... sorry for your lost coins

[craked5]

Thank you for some great feedback...........and not for laying it on so thick.....lol.  Yeah, I walked right into it. 

1.  He scammed me for about $350

2.  I downloaded Team Viewer from the website, not a link.

3.  Thank you for the tips about securing my computer, I haven't noticed anything weird...but I will do all the necessary scans.

4.  The question about the code.....no I told him I knew how to use it, but he wanted to see it applied to my debit  account online (we never got that far obviously....I'm not sure what exactly he said to me to get to my wallet right away.   I think something about needing to verify that I had the necessary amount available for the trade.)     I'm not exactly sure how the particulars of the Team Viewer work where he could actually gain access to my computer.............and empty those coins out.....did he somehow key-log my password on the blockchain? 

The funny thing is I used to scam....so it's like it all comes back around.  Scam and be scammed.  I don't know why I fell so hypnotized in this scenario....part of it was being a noob to this particular style of trading, part of it was just being too gullible - nice- thinking everybody was my friend.  Part of it was greed and needing to make a fast buck.  LOL, it's been a long time since I was on the opposite end of a scam....so perhaps I was overconfident.     I hope this helps somebody...or at least serves as a lesson on WHAT NOT TO DO.......

Thanks everybody for being constructive and not telling me how stupid I am (because I already am aware of that......lol)

Honnestly... I wouldn't say you're stupid.

Even after your explanations I had to take some time to understand everything. I didn't know TeamViewer either so I understand that you rushed a bit and trusted the man in front of view.

That's a rather elaborated scam. I think I would have felt for it.

Thanks for sharing, you maybe saved me some money in the future!
And sorry for your loses, like most of us you learnt something the hard way 

[greBit]

damn son... that was extremelly harsh...
At least you now know how to avoid these squemes

Scammers are there day in and day out pooling people but yeah now we learnt one more technique which they use to scam people so it's up to us to be smart and never get scammed when it comes to bitcoin

[SebastianJu]

So to be exact, how dangerous is it to use it when you A) download and install it from the official source and B) the user is not enabling the option that the other person can do things on your pc... so that he only can see.

Can this still be exploitet so that the solution would be to never use teamviewer?

Downloading TV from the hompegae is no risk at all. I could mirrior my screen to you all day long, you could just watch what i do. If i give you full remote access and leave you alone then, you could do whatever you want.

Ok, that's what i was wondering about. So the only way this could have happened was when OP downloaded the software either from a fake domain, so the exe was a trojan, or when he allowed the other party not only to watch but to act on his pc.

If someone downloads from the offical website and does NOT allow the other person to act on his pc then it is still fully save, right?

I already became unsure if it is a general risk.

[SebastianJu]

Hi........I just wanted to give a brief summary of how I was recently scammed......mainly for informational purposes and so others can be on the look-out for this method. I also would like to hear if this is a fairly common way to scam people...or something rather new.     I know I will get a lot of ridicule for falling for such a blatant scam............but I thought this could be a learning experience, so hopefully I  won't get too many negative comments.   

The scammer saw my post and asked me if I had ICQ      (trading BTC for prepaid debit card codes)

I set up my ICQ, and we negotiated rates, etc. He was very professional, patient, and he said said "I'll go first."  (He would start the transaction)

He asked me to create a Bitcoin wallet on blockchain.info so he could see that I had the coins ready for trade. So I moved my coins to the blockchain wallet.

He then said that since he will be taking the risk by sending the codes first, he would like to view my screen to make sure the code is used properly. (There may have been another reason for this too.)  In order to do this....he wanted me to download a program called "Team Viewer" that allowed him "see" my screen in real-time. 

I downloaded the program "Team Viewer" and started it up ...... he told me he could see my screen, etc......then somehow he asked to see my bitcoin wallet to verify the coins on blockchain.   Once I logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain........BLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAM....... I saw my bitcoin balance being withdrawn in a flash.     END OF STORY


So obviously, besides my stupidity, it was the "Team Viewer" program that allowed him to pull off this scam.  I'm still not sure how that program works.....for instance, how could it allow him to also be logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain???  How could two computers be accessing the same wallet like that? 

Thanks for any input and hopefully this will help somebody in the future from being scammed in this way.   I appreciate any constructive feedback...........

No, i think it was a good step to post this since for sure you warned some people to be cautious with teamviewer.

What i wanted to know, since you mentioned somewhere that you scammed before, how big of a scammer were you? Since especially i'm interested into knowing if scammers on bitcointalk all play alone for themselves or if they meet in some community or so. Would be interesting to take a look in such a community, maybe watching scams on bitcointalk in realtime.

Only an idea.

[Krumauge]

But did you not saw the mouse pointer moving or when he did enter his wallet and the ammount?

[adicted]

First of all , I feel sorry for your loss, I know how it feels to be scammed. Anyways your story was similar to what happened to me back when I was a newbie, same modus operandi involving a teamviewer. In my part, we communicated on FB and I was using a local bitcoin wallet/exchange. That kind of procedure was pretty common I guess, especially for noobs who don't have any idea how teamviewer works.
Just be vigilant next time

[whywefight]

Hi........I just wanted to give a brief summary of how I was recently scammed......mainly for informational purposes and so others can be on the look-out for this method. I also would like to hear if this is a fairly common way to scam people...or something rather new.     I know I will get a lot of ridicule for falling for such a blatant scam............but I thought this could be a learning experience, so hopefully I  won't get too many negative comments.   

The scammer saw my post and asked me if I had ICQ      (trading BTC for prepaid debit card codes)

I set up my ICQ, and we negotiated rates, etc. He was very professional, patient, and he said said "I'll go first."  (He would start the transaction)

He asked me to create a Bitcoin wallet on blockchain.info so he could see that I had the coins ready for trade. So I moved my coins to the blockchain wallet.

He then said that since he will be taking the risk by sending the codes first, he would like to view my screen to make sure the code is used properly. (There may have been another reason for this too.)  In order to do this....he wanted me to download a program called "Team Viewer" that allowed him "see" my screen in real-time. 

I downloaded the program "Team Viewer" and started it up ...... he told me he could see my screen, etc......then somehow he asked to see my bitcoin wallet to verify the coins on blockchain.   Once I logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain........BLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAM....... I saw my bitcoin balance being withdrawn in a flash.     END OF STORY


So obviously, besides my stupidity, it was the "Team Viewer" program that allowed him to pull off this scam.  I'm still not sure how that program works.....for instance, how could it allow him to also be logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain???  How could two computers be accessing the same wallet like that? 

Thanks for any input and hopefully this will help somebody in the future from being scammed in this way.   I appreciate any constructive feedback...........

No, i think it was a good step to post this since for sure you warned some people to be cautious with teamviewer.

What i wanted to know, since you mentioned somewhere that you scammed before, how big of a scammer were you? Since especially i'm interested into knowing if scammers on bitcointalk all play alone for themselves or if they meet in some community or so. Would be interesting to take a look in such a community, maybe watching scams on bitcointalk in realtime.

Only an idea.

Fancy things you can do with teamviewer:

- Black out the remote screen, therefore you need to install a "screen driver" via TeamViewer, depending on the connection that can take 1-2 minutes.
- Lock the remote keyboard and mouse

The easy and quick way:
So lets imagine i am the guy trying to scam you. I tell you: download teamviewer, personally i would send you to the real site www.teamviewer.de or .com (doesnt matter)
I will ask you for your teamviewer id and pass, its displayed when you open up TV.
I will connect to your system. I will instantly start to install the driver and black your screen in addition once your screen is black lock your keyboard and mouse.
No i have from 1 second to 15 minutes, in relation how smart you are, to roam around your pc. if you are using the core client and its open already ill send all you have to my own address.
as long as the connection is working i wll start searching for "wallet.dat" and copy each of those files to my system (in case you have other coins i would note which wallets you have installed.
if my connection is still working and i was prepared to scam you i might install some nasty tools or start to delete files and maybe uninstall some devices.
Sooner or later you might have come to the idea to switch your pc off, disable wireless (if oyu have a button for it) or pull your ethernet cable.

If you using something like electrum (what i do) you cant just send coins without a pw.

Anyways: NO WAY, coins vanish RIGHT AWAY after a connection is established. i mean the second someone is in. doesnt work that way.

op might have downloaded a poisoned teamviewer somewhere but i dont think so. you have to be cautinous about giving stranger access to your pc, no matter how the tool is called. some would be possible with a simple rdp invite.

its not the tool to blame, its PEBKAC (Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair).

[shorena]

Hi........I just wanted to give a brief summary of how I was recently scammed......mainly for informational purposes and so others can be on the look-out for this method. I also would like to hear if this is a fairly common way to scam people...or something rather new.     I know I will get a lot of ridicule for falling for such a blatant scam............but I thought this could be a learning experience, so hopefully I  won't get too many negative comments.   

The scammer saw my post and asked me if I had ICQ      (trading BTC for prepaid debit card codes)

I set up my ICQ, and we negotiated rates, etc. He was very professional, patient, and he said said "I'll go first."  (He would start the transaction)

He asked me to create a Bitcoin wallet on blockchain.info so he could see that I had the coins ready for trade. So I moved my coins to the blockchain wallet.

He then said that since he will be taking the risk by sending the codes first, he would like to view my screen to make sure the code is used properly. (There may have been another reason for this too.)  In order to do this....he wanted me to download a program called "Team Viewer" that allowed him "see" my screen in real-time. 

I downloaded the program "Team Viewer" and started it up ...... he told me he could see my screen, etc......then somehow he asked to see my bitcoin wallet to verify the coins on blockchain.   Once I logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain........BLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAM....... I saw my bitcoin balance being withdrawn in a flash.     END OF STORY


So obviously, besides my stupidity, it was the "Team Viewer" program that allowed him to pull off this scam.  I'm still not sure how that program works.....for instance, how could it allow him to also be logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain???  How could two computers be accessing the same wallet like that? 

Thanks for any input and hopefully this will help somebody in the future from being scammed in this way.   I appreciate any constructive feedback...........

No, i think it was a good step to post this since for sure you warned some people to be cautious with teamviewer.

What i wanted to know, since you mentioned somewhere that you scammed before, how big of a scammer were you? Since especially i'm interested into knowing if scammers on bitcointalk all play alone for themselves or if they meet in some community or so. Would be interesting to take a look in such a community, maybe watching scams on bitcointalk in realtime.

Only an idea.

Fancy things you can do with teamviewer:

- Black out the remote screen, therefore you need to install a "screen driver" via TeamViewer, depending on the connection that can take 1-2 minutes.
- Lock the remote keyboard and mouse

The easy and quick way:
So lets imagine i am the guy trying to scam you. I tell you: download teamviewer, personally i would send you to the real site www.teamviewer.de or .com (doesnt matter)
I will ask you for your teamviewer id and pass, its displayed when you open up TV.
I will connect to your system. I will instantly start to install the driver and black your screen in addition once your screen is black lock your keyboard and mouse.
No i have from 1 second to 15 minutes, in relation how smart you are, to roam around your pc. if you are using the core client and its open already ill send all you have to my own address.
as long as the connection is working i wll start searching for "wallet.dat" and copy each of those files to my system (in case you have other coins i would note which wallets you have installed.
if my connection is still working and i was prepared to scam you i might install some nasty tools or start to delete files and maybe uninstall some devices.
Sooner or later you might have come to the idea to switch your pc off, disable wireless (if oyu have a button for it) or pull your ethernet cable.

If you using something like electrum (what i do) you cant just send coins without a pw.

Anyways: NO WAY, coins vanish RIGHT AWAY after a connection is established. i mean the second someone is in. doesnt work that way.

op might have downloaded a poisoned teamviewer somewhere but i dont think so. you have to be cautinous about giving stranger access to your pc, no matter how the tool is called. some would be possible with a simple rdp invite.

its not the tool to blame, its PEBKAC (Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair).

Would you do a demo with me? I will prepare a victim VM for you.

[Master_dandosha]

new way for scamming never heard this way before .
but was you using second factor authentication with the blockchain at that time ??
sorry for your lost
good luck next time

[smaxz]

i was helping someone out with some stuff once and it was suggested to me i install teamviewer..

i was like, nah.. lets share a screen session instead. heh.

it amazes me how prevalent that utility is.

[rgenito]

Team Viewer... yuck. Sorry to hear that -.-