How I was scammed ......

[socks435]

Well he remote your computer if you use team viewer so its better to move your team viewer maybe he can access again with your team viewer.
Provably he hits the withdrawal and send it to his wallet.
Now you learn that using team viewer is not safe if you login with your bitcoin wallet so next time if want to trade to some one find a escrow here or you may try escrow service in my signature.
Nowadays they are many scam out there and also here in our forum so beware and make sure to use a trusted escrow before you deal.

[SebastianJu]

Didn't know that can happen with the normal teamviewer version and he only being allowed to watch. Though you somehow write as if he could do more from the start?

And when you say he can install a screen driver then doesn't that mean already that he can run scripts on the other pc? He then could run an autoit script and clear the wallet... at least if unencrypted.

Hi........I just wanted to give a brief summary of how I was recently scammed......mainly for informational purposes and so others can be on the look-out for this method. I also would like to hear if this is a fairly common way to scam people...or something rather new.     I know I will get a lot of ridicule for falling for such a blatant scam............but I thought this could be a learning experience, so hopefully I  won't get too many negative comments.   

The scammer saw my post and asked me if I had ICQ      (trading BTC for prepaid debit card codes)

I set up my ICQ, and we negotiated rates, etc. He was very professional, patient, and he said said "I'll go first."  (He would start the transaction)

He asked me to create a Bitcoin wallet on blockchain.info so he could see that I had the coins ready for trade. So I moved my coins to the blockchain wallet.

He then said that since he will be taking the risk by sending the codes first, he would like to view my screen to make sure the code is used properly. (There may have been another reason for this too.)  In order to do this....he wanted me to download a program called "Team Viewer" that allowed him "see" my screen in real-time. 

I downloaded the program "Team Viewer" and started it up ...... he told me he could see my screen, etc......then somehow he asked to see my bitcoin wallet to verify the coins on blockchain.   Once I logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain........BLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAM....... I saw my bitcoin balance being withdrawn in a flash.     END OF STORY


So obviously, besides my stupidity, it was the "Team Viewer" program that allowed him to pull off this scam.  I'm still not sure how that program works.....for instance, how could it allow him to also be logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain???  How could two computers be accessing the same wallet like that? 

Thanks for any input and hopefully this will help somebody in the future from being scammed in this way.   I appreciate any constructive feedback...........

No, i think it was a good step to post this since for sure you warned some people to be cautious with teamviewer.

What i wanted to know, since you mentioned somewhere that you scammed before, how big of a scammer were you? Since especially i'm interested into knowing if scammers on bitcointalk all play alone for themselves or if they meet in some community or so. Would be interesting to take a look in such a community, maybe watching scams on bitcointalk in realtime.

Only an idea.

Fancy things you can do with teamviewer:

- Black out the remote screen, therefore you need to install a "screen driver" via TeamViewer, depending on the connection that can take 1-2 minutes.
- Lock the remote keyboard and mouse

The easy and quick way:
So lets imagine i am the guy trying to scam you. I tell you: download teamviewer, personally i would send you to the real site www.teamviewer.de or .com (doesnt matter)
I will ask you for your teamviewer id and pass, its displayed when you open up TV.
I will connect to your system. I will instantly start to install the driver and black your screen in addition once your screen is black lock your keyboard and mouse.
No i have from 1 second to 15 minutes, in relation how smart you are, to roam around your pc. if you are using the core client and its open already ill send all you have to my own address.
as long as the connection is working i wll start searching for "wallet.dat" and copy each of those files to my system (in case you have other coins i would note which wallets you have installed.
if my connection is still working and i was prepared to scam you i might install some nasty tools or start to delete files and maybe uninstall some devices.
Sooner or later you might have come to the idea to switch your pc off, disable wireless (if oyu have a button for it) or pull your ethernet cable.

If you using something like electrum (what i do) you cant just send coins without a pw.

Anyways: NO WAY, coins vanish RIGHT AWAY after a connection is established. i mean the second someone is in. doesnt work that way.

op might have downloaded a poisoned teamviewer somewhere but i dont think so. you have to be cautinous about giving stranger access to your pc, no matter how the tool is called. some would be possible with a simple rdp invite.

its not the tool to blame, its PEBKAC (Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair).

[whywefight]

Hi........I just wanted to give a brief summary of how I was recently scammed......mainly for informational purposes and so others can be on the look-out for this method. I also would like to hear if this is a fairly common way to scam people...or something rather new.     I know I will get a lot of ridicule for falling for such a blatant scam............but I thought this could be a learning experience, so hopefully I  won't get too many negative comments.   

The scammer saw my post and asked me if I had ICQ      (trading BTC for prepaid debit card codes)

I set up my ICQ, and we negotiated rates, etc. He was very professional, patient, and he said said "I'll go first."  (He would start the transaction)

He asked me to create a Bitcoin wallet on blockchain.info so he could see that I had the coins ready for trade. So I moved my coins to the blockchain wallet.

He then said that since he will be taking the risk by sending the codes first, he would like to view my screen to make sure the code is used properly. (There may have been another reason for this too.)  In order to do this....he wanted me to download a program called "Team Viewer" that allowed him "see" my screen in real-time. 

I downloaded the program "Team Viewer" and started it up ...... he told me he could see my screen, etc......then somehow he asked to see my bitcoin wallet to verify the coins on blockchain.   Once I logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain........BLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAM....... I saw my bitcoin balance being withdrawn in a flash.     END OF STORY


So obviously, besides my stupidity, it was the "Team Viewer" program that allowed him to pull off this scam.  I'm still not sure how that program works.....for instance, how could it allow him to also be logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain???  How could two computers be accessing the same wallet like that? 

Thanks for any input and hopefully this will help somebody in the future from being scammed in this way.   I appreciate any constructive feedback...........

No, i think it was a good step to post this since for sure you warned some people to be cautious with teamviewer.

What i wanted to know, since you mentioned somewhere that you scammed before, how big of a scammer were you? Since especially i'm interested into knowing if scammers on bitcointalk all play alone for themselves or if they meet in some community or so. Would be interesting to take a look in such a community, maybe watching scams on bitcointalk in realtime.

Only an idea.

Fancy things you can do with teamviewer:

- Black out the remote screen, therefore you need to install a "screen driver" via TeamViewer, depending on the connection that can take 1-2 minutes.
- Lock the remote keyboard and mouse

The easy and quick way:
So lets imagine i am the guy trying to scam you. I tell you: download teamviewer, personally i would send you to the real site www.teamviewer.de or .com (doesnt matter)
I will ask you for your teamviewer id and pass, its displayed when you open up TV.
I will connect to your system. I will instantly start to install the driver and black your screen in addition once your screen is black lock your keyboard and mouse.
No i have from 1 second to 15 minutes, in relation how smart you are, to roam around your pc. if you are using the core client and its open already ill send all you have to my own address.
as long as the connection is working i wll start searching for "wallet.dat" and copy each of those files to my system (in case you have other coins i would note which wallets you have installed.
if my connection is still working and i was prepared to scam you i might install some nasty tools or start to delete files and maybe uninstall some devices.
Sooner or later you might have come to the idea to switch your pc off, disable wireless (if oyu have a button for it) or pull your ethernet cable.

If you using something like electrum (what i do) you cant just send coins without a pw.

Anyways: NO WAY, coins vanish RIGHT AWAY after a connection is established. i mean the second someone is in. doesnt work that way.

op might have downloaded a poisoned teamviewer somewhere but i dont think so. you have to be cautinous about giving stranger access to your pc, no matter how the tool is called. some would be possible with a simple rdp invite.

its not the tool to blame, its PEBKAC (Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair).

Would you do a demo with me? I will prepare a victim VM for you.

Sure, why not. Prepare a system and we will do a simulation.

[milly6]

Hi........I just wanted to give a brief summary of how I was recently scammed......mainly for informational purposes and so others can be on the look-out for this method. I also would like to hear if this is a fairly common way to scam people...or something rather new.     I know I will get a lot of ridicule for falling for such a blatant scam............but I thought this could be a learning experience, so hopefully I  won't get too many negative comments.   

The scammer saw my post and asked me if I had ICQ      (trading BTC for prepaid debit card codes)

I set up my ICQ, and we negotiated rates, etc. He was very professional, patient, and he said said "I'll go first."  (He would start the transaction)

He asked me to create a Bitcoin wallet on blockchain.info so he could see that I had the coins ready for trade. So I moved my coins to the blockchain wallet.

He then said that since he will be taking the risk by sending the codes first, he would like to view my screen to make sure the code is used properly. (There may have been another reason for this too.)  In order to do this....he wanted me to download a program called "Team Viewer" that allowed him "see" my screen in real-time. 

I downloaded the program "Team Viewer" and started it up ...... he told me he could see my screen, etc......then somehow he asked to see my bitcoin wallet to verify the coins on blockchain.   Once I logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain........BLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAM....... I saw my bitcoin balance being withdrawn in a flash.     END OF STORY


So obviously, besides my stupidity, it was the "Team Viewer" program that allowed him to pull off this scam.  I'm still not sure how that program works.....for instance, how could it allow him to also be logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain???  How could two computers be accessing the same wallet like that? 

Thanks for any input and hopefully this will help somebody in the future from being scammed in this way.   I appreciate any constructive feedback...........

First red flag and clear scam indicator is where he asked you to move coins from your wallet into an online wallet to "See that you have them". You can see on any block explorer just as easily that there is coins in an address. Do not move coins to an account based on someone attempting to trade. If it feels like unneeded steps, it likely is.

[whywefight]

Didn't know that can happen with the normal teamviewer version and he only being allowed to watch. Though you somehow write as if he could do more from the start?

And when you say he can install a screen driver then doesn't that mean already that he can run scripts on the other pc? He then could run an autoit script and clear the wallet... at least if unencrypted.

Hi........I just wanted to give a brief summary of how I was recently scammed......mainly for informational purposes and so others can be on the look-out for this method. I also would like to hear if this is a fairly common way to scam people...or something rather new.     I know I will get a lot of ridicule for falling for such a blatant scam............but I thought this could be a learning experience, so hopefully I  won't get too many negative comments.   

The scammer saw my post and asked me if I had ICQ      (trading BTC for prepaid debit card codes)

I set up my ICQ, and we negotiated rates, etc. He was very professional, patient, and he said said "I'll go first."  (He would start the transaction)

He asked me to create a Bitcoin wallet on blockchain.info so he could see that I had the coins ready for trade. So I moved my coins to the blockchain wallet.

He then said that since he will be taking the risk by sending the codes first, he would like to view my screen to make sure the code is used properly. (There may have been another reason for this too.)  In order to do this....he wanted me to download a program called "Team Viewer" that allowed him "see" my screen in real-time. 

I downloaded the program "Team Viewer" and started it up ...... he told me he could see my screen, etc......then somehow he asked to see my bitcoin wallet to verify the coins on blockchain.   Once I logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain........BLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAM....... I saw my bitcoin balance being withdrawn in a flash.     END OF STORY


So obviously, besides my stupidity, it was the "Team Viewer" program that allowed him to pull off this scam.  I'm still not sure how that program works.....for instance, how could it allow him to also be logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain???  How could two computers be accessing the same wallet like that? 

Thanks for any input and hopefully this will help somebody in the future from being scammed in this way.   I appreciate any constructive feedback...........

No, i think it was a good step to post this since for sure you warned some people to be cautious with teamviewer.

What i wanted to know, since you mentioned somewhere that you scammed before, how big of a scammer were you? Since especially i'm interested into knowing if scammers on bitcointalk all play alone for themselves or if they meet in some community or so. Would be interesting to take a look in such a community, maybe watching scams on bitcointalk in realtime.

Only an idea.

Fancy things you can do with teamviewer:

- Black out the remote screen, therefore you need to install a "screen driver" via TeamViewer, depending on the connection that can take 1-2 minutes.
- Lock the remote keyboard and mouse

The easy and quick way:
So lets imagine i am the guy trying to scam you. I tell you: download teamviewer, personally i would send you to the real site www.teamviewer.de or .com (doesnt matter)
I will ask you for your teamviewer id and pass, its displayed when you open up TV.
I will connect to your system. I will instantly start to install the driver and black your screen in addition once your screen is black lock your keyboard and mouse.
No i have from 1 second to 15 minutes, in relation how smart you are, to roam around your pc. if you are using the core client and its open already ill send all you have to my own address.
as long as the connection is working i wll start searching for "wallet.dat" and copy each of those files to my system (in case you have other coins i would note which wallets you have installed.
if my connection is still working and i was prepared to scam you i might install some nasty tools or start to delete files and maybe uninstall some devices.
Sooner or later you might have come to the idea to switch your pc off, disable wireless (if oyu have a button for it) or pull your ethernet cable.

If you using something like electrum (what i do) you cant just send coins without a pw.

Anyways: NO WAY, coins vanish RIGHT AWAY after a connection is established. i mean the second someone is in. doesnt work that way.

op might have downloaded a poisoned teamviewer somewhere but i dont think so. you have to be cautinous about giving stranger access to your pc, no matter how the tool is called. some would be possible with a simple rdp invite.

its not the tool to blame, its PEBKAC (Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair).

If someone has a session  established that allows remote control he can operate the system like sitting in front of it. Thats the idea of teamviewer or remote tools in common.

[bitcoin-hunter]

I've never been scammed. But I guess that's because I protect everything.
Because I have 3 computers here. And only 1 has team viewer.

[whywefight]

Guys.... you dont get scammed because of running teamviewer. You get scammed because of allowing some random stranger full access to your system. Thats two pairs of shoes.

I have running tv all day long and nothing happens...

[SebastianJu]

Guys.... you dont get scammed because of running teamviewer. You get scammed because of allowing some random stranger full access to your system. Thats two pairs of shoes.

I have running tv all day long and nothing happens...

Ok, it sounded like you meant that the other party can do it even when you did NOT give him remote access. When you only allowed him to watch what you do...

Ok then, good to know that it's still safe as long as...

[yenxz]

Hi........I just wanted to give a brief summary of how I was recently scammed......mainly for informational purposes and so others can be on the look-out for this method. I also would like to hear if this is a fairly common way to scam people...or something rather new.     I know I will get a lot of ridicule for falling for such a blatant scam............but I thought this could be a learning experience, so hopefully I  won't get too many negative comments.   

The scammer saw my post and asked me if I had ICQ      (trading BTC for prepaid debit card codes)

I set up my ICQ, and we negotiated rates, etc. He was very professional, patient, and he said said "I'll go first."  (He would start the transaction)

He asked me to create a Bitcoin wallet on blockchain.info so he could see that I had the coins ready for trade. So I moved my coins to the blockchain wallet.

He then said that since he will be taking the risk by sending the codes first, he would like to view my screen to make sure the code is used properly. (There may have been another reason for this too.)  In order to do this....he wanted me to download a program called "Team Viewer" that allowed him "see" my screen in real-time. 

I downloaded the program "Team Viewer" and started it up ...... he told me he could see my screen, etc......then somehow he asked to see my bitcoin wallet to verify the coins on blockchain.   Once I logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain........BLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAM....... I saw my bitcoin balance being withdrawn in a flash.     END OF STORY


So obviously, besides my stupidity, it was the "Team Viewer" program that allowed him to pull off this scam.  I'm still not sure how that program works.....for instance, how could it allow him to also be logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain???  How could two computers be accessing the same wallet like that? 

Thanks for any input and hopefully this will help somebody in the future from being scammed in this way.   I appreciate any constructive feedback...........

i feel sad t hear your story,and tobe more aware to keep my bitcoin,and of course more warn to spam activity from unknown people,thanks for sharing,i hope you get better amount of bitcoin.

[shorena]

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Would you do a demo with me? I will prepare a victim VM for you.

Sure, why not. Prepare a system and we will do a simulation.

We are about to do a demo and I think I have found the problem. There is a setting "Send key combinations" that attacker(!) can set. It would probably allow them to see your password. No, we tested it. Its not a keylogger it just shares the clipboard which could be a problem if you use a keymanager.




Also - by default - you allow someone else Full interaction, this allows the attacker to install a display driver that locked me out completly. I was however able to defend by simply pulling the plug and restarting the machine.




Overal we think OP is lying.

[whywefight]

i showed shorena this could never happend the way the story was told to us, lets wait for him what he has to say.

[MaxTax]

Well he remote your computer if you use team viewer so its better to move your team viewer maybe he can access again with your team viewer.
Provably he hits the withdrawal and send it to his wallet.
Now you learn that using team viewer is not safe if you login with your bitcoin wallet so next time if want to trade to some one find a escrow here or you may try escrow service in my signature.
Nowadays they are many scam out there and also here in our forum so beware and make sure to use a trusted escrow before you deal.

That's bad. I would if I were you a good code put on it.
And keeping an eye on.
You should not download anything and everything going.

[Zaun]

Well he remote your computer if you use team viewer so its better to move your team viewer maybe he can access again with your team viewer.
Provably he hits the withdrawal and send it to his wallet.
Now you learn that using team viewer is not safe if you login with your bitcoin wallet so next time if want to trade to some one find a escrow here or you may try escrow service in my signature.
Nowadays they are many scam out there and also here in our forum so beware and make sure to use a trusted escrow before you deal.

That is indeed very mean. For you must indeed be careful with what you do.
And especially well protected. But I think you just have to be very careful.

[ctlaltdefeat]

Hi........I just wanted to give a brief summary of how I was recently scammed......mainly for informational purposes and so others can be on the look-out for this method. I also would like to hear if this is a fairly common way to scam people...or something rather new.     I know I will get a lot of ridicule for falling for such a blatant scam............but I thought this could be a learning experience, so hopefully I  won't get too many negative comments.   

The scammer saw my post and asked me if I had ICQ      (trading BTC for prepaid debit card codes)

I set up my ICQ, and we negotiated rates, etc. He was very professional, patient, and he said said "I'll go first."  (He would start the transaction)

He asked me to create a Bitcoin wallet on blockchain.info so he could see that I had the coins ready for trade. So I moved my coins to the blockchain wallet.

He then said that since he will be taking the risk by sending the codes first, he would like to view my screen to make sure the code is used properly. (There may have been another reason for this too.)  In order to do this....he wanted me to download a program called "Team Viewer" that allowed him "see" my screen in real-time. 

I downloaded the program "Team Viewer" and started it up ...... he told me he could see my screen, etc......then somehow he asked to see my bitcoin wallet to verify the coins on blockchain.   Once I logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain........BLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAM....... I saw my bitcoin balance being withdrawn in a flash.     END OF STORY


So obviously, besides my stupidity, it was the "Team Viewer" program that allowed him to pull off this scam.  I'm still not sure how that program works.....for instance, how could it allow him to also be logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain???  How could two computers be accessing the same wallet like that? 

Thanks for any input and hopefully this will help somebody in the future from being scammed in this way.   I appreciate any constructive feedback...........

good story to post here,and feel sorry for what happen to you,its a warning for us,there was some hacker that use application,they really smart,and now we have lesson,dont trust any download that you dont want to do it.

[whywefight]

Well he remote your computer if you use team viewer so its better to move your team viewer maybe he can access again with your team viewer.
Provably he hits the withdrawal and send it to his wallet.
Now you learn that using team viewer is not safe if you login with your bitcoin wallet so next time if want to trade to some one find a escrow here or you may try escrow service in my signature.
Nowadays they are many scam out there and also here in our forum so beware and make sure to use a trusted escrow before you deal.

Somehow i didnt see this comment before... why are you people not stopping posting bullshit about a tool you dont understand. I guess half of the people here havent used teamviewer ever. The tool is safe. The problem is the person sitting in front of the computer allowing some stranger to connect. God damn educate your self....

[numismatist]

Best trading advice I ever got was: never get rushed and never assume you are superior.

The later part applies on security issues, too.

You can consider nearly everything ... not using online/website wallets ... storing backups of your harddisk ... always encrypt wallets using strong passwords ... writing down passwords on paper somewhere (LOL)*) ... never storing paper and backups on same place ... endless possibilities.
In the end, you will loose some coins. Not much getting around that experience. If you are acting responsible the amount will be merely a "reminder size"

*) I messed up like that. Brute force cracking your own wallet, tools like that anywhere available?

[shorena]

Best trading advice I ever got was: never get rushed and never assume you are superior.

The later part applies on security issues, too.

You can consider nearly everything ... not using online/website wallets ... storing backups of your harddisk ... always encrypt wallets using strong passwords ... writing down passwords on paper somewhere (LOL)*) ... never storing paper and backups on same place ... endless possibilities.
In the end, you will loose some coins. Not much getting around that experience. If you are acting responsible the amount will be merely a "reminder size"

*) I messed up like that. Brute force cracking your own wallet, tools like that anywhere available?

Yep, spread your coins around so you will only miss a fraction and not all of them. I also prefer to play around with different wallets and small amounts to get a feeling for them before I store larger amount on them.

You can try -> https://github.com/gurnec/btcrecover to brute force your wallet password. If you have questions feel free to open a thread on the wallets section or send me a PM.