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August 23, 2015, 06:34:16 AM
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August 23, 2015, 07:43:03 AM
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Yes that's right, a Pseudonode which reports as RealXT is (functionally) the same (for hard forking purposes) as spoofing one with NotXT (only much cheaper).   Smiley


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August 23, 2015, 12:16:07 PM
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Yes that's right, a Pseudonode which reports as RealXT is (functionally) the same (for hard forking purposes) as spoofing one with NotXT (only much cheaper).   Smiley

Seems like you were right. I hadn't thought that manipulation would happen to such an extent.














 

 

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August 23, 2015, 01:51:30 PM
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Two known CIA/NSA assets infiltrated in the Bitcoin community - Gavin Andresen and Mike Hearn - have joined forces to push a hastily concocted privacy nightmare/scamcoin, which they call Bitcoin-XT.

It is currently completely irrelevant, owing to an absolute lack of financial, economical, technical or social support.
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August 23, 2015, 04:10:17 PM
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OH DEAR GOD, THE GUBMINT R GONNA GET US ALL

THEYRE GONNA GIVE US BLUE AIDS



ftfy  With people like this defending the Core cause, there will always be hope for a moderate majority.


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August 23, 2015, 06:42:29 PM
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xtnodes.com DDoSed

https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3i2yvf/xtnodescom_request_for_ddos_protected_hosting/














 

 

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August 23, 2015, 10:37:17 PM
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OH DEAR GOD, THE GUBMINT R GONNA GET US ALL

THEYRE GONNA GIVE US BLUE AIDS



ftfy  With people like this defending the Core cause, there will always be hope for a moderate majority.



and what is the 'hope' to destroy bitcoin ecosystem and make Gavin of new altbitcoin? To run one two person so many BitcoinXT nodes is simple sybil attack.

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August 23, 2015, 11:06:26 PM
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So how much nodes there are now of XT?, it is limited to 900 or what?

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August 24, 2015, 01:24:59 AM
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I see there have been zero donations (1FzYqngLKUV13ywYTDq7f2pq8P4GFitbkg) for a new host.

Such is the entitlement mindset of the Gavinistas.  They are entitled to fork Bitcoin's socioeconomic majority.

They are entitled to DoS proof hosting, payed for by someone else.

They are entitled to subject the network to huge blocks, no matter the cost externalized to node operators and dangers described here:

https://forum.blockstack.org/t/blockstack-community-thoughts-on-block-size-bitcoin-xt-debate/152


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August 24, 2015, 01:41:16 AM
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So how much nodes there are now of XT?, it is limited to 900 or what?

Use https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/ about 930 true count now

click on Network Map and then red dot lower right hand corner to show nodes with same IP as adjacent nodes. If there are significant PseudoNodes you will see tall red spikes on the graph


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August 24, 2015, 02:17:11 AM
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.....childish rambling


ftfy  With people like this defending the Core cause, there will always be hope for a moderate majority.



Strange request: can you stop quoting hdbuck or if you do just snip out the childish oversized colored letters? I think i speak for everyone on this.

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August 24, 2015, 04:19:52 AM
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So how much nodes there are now of XT?, it is limited to 900 or what?

Use https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/ about 930 true count now

click on Network Map and then red dot lower right hand corner to show nodes with same IP as adjacent nodes. If there are significant PseudoNodes you will see tall red spikes on the graph


Do they have a way to tell real full nodes from pseudonode and notXT?














 

 

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August 24, 2015, 04:22:40 AM
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So how much nodes there are now of XT?, it is limited to 900 or what?

Use https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/ about 930 true count now

click on Network Map and then red dot lower right hand corner to show nodes with same IP as adjacent nodes. If there are significant PseudoNodes you will see tall red spikes on the graph


Do they have a way to tell real full nodes from pseudonode and notXT?

No, they do not have a way to tell real full nodes from pseudonode and notXT.

And yet, they do not disclose crucial fact.

We can only conclude that Gavinistas enjoy misleading the public.


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August 24, 2015, 04:31:42 AM
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Do they have a way to tell real full nodes from pseudonode and notXT?

No, they do not have a way to tell real full nodes from pseudonode and notXT.

And yet, they do not disclose crucial fact.

We can only conclude that Gavinistas enjoy misleading the public.

Bullshit lie iCE...there is no way to know if they 'enjoy' doing it.  Doing so could be simply their only course of action.

Like I said, Hearn could release closed-source a binary for XT'ers to run which could produce an accurate count (among other things...)  Most of his mininons don't even know what that means so they would likely flock to it in droves.  If there even are 'droves'...one senses that he (or his minders) have a sort of 'virtual minions' of sock-puppeteers as much as anything.


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Do they have a way to tell real full nodes from pseudonode and notXT?

No, they do not have a way to tell real full nodes from pseudonode and notXT.

And yet, they do not disclose crucial fact.

We can only conclude that Gavinistas enjoy misleading the public.

Bullshit lie iCE...there is no way to know if they 'enjoy' doing it.  Doing so could be simply their only course of action.

Like I said, Hearn could release closed-source a binary for XT'ers to run which could produce an accurate count (among other things...)  Most of his mininons don't even know what that means so they would likely flock to it in droves.  If there even are 'droves'...one senses that he (or his minders) have a sort of 'virtual minions' of sock-puppeteers as much as anything.



at this point it's safe lettin all them flock to whatever boatchain they want.
the original bitcoin, democratical-fud-resistant will certainly not die.

and as a ex-miner, i'm seriouly considering buying some cheap gear to mine real bitcoins once they gone, maybe making a nice pool too for die hard libertarians - if anyone is interested..

mining shall be profitable again for decentralized individuals that dont fall for the mainstream-socialist-saving-the-world-with-coffee-tips-noobs-fudsters.

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So how much nodes there are now of XT?, it is limited to 900 or what?

Use https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/ about 930 true count now

click on Network Map and then red dot lower right hand corner to show nodes with same IP as adjacent nodes. If there are significant PseudoNodes you will see tall red spikes on the graph


Do they have a way to tell real full nodes from pseudonode and notXT?

At bitnodes the only graphic you have is to click on the Network Map then red dot lower right hand corner. When there are many PseudoNodes (several hundred) you will see tall red spikes.

Right now 925 XT nodes with no significant PseudoNodes. Guess the redditors got tired of the PseudoNode game.

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at this point it's safe lettin all them flock to whatever boatchain they want.
the original bitcoin, democratical-fud-resistant will certainly not die.

and as a ex-miner, i'm seriouly considering buying some cheap gear to mine real bitcoins once they gone, maybe making a nice pool too for die hard libertarians - if anyone is interested..

mining shall be profitable again for decentralized individuals that dont fall for the mainstream-socialist-saving-the-world-with-coffee-tips-noobs-fudsters.


I could be.

I hypothesis that if the blockchain itself forks, each branch will have it's own difficulty.  Therefore the mining effort on each chain will form a ratio which approaches the ratio of the market value of the coins from said chain.

To attack a chain in a primitive 51% mode, an attacker needs to overcome the honest mining effort on a chain, then attack for long enough to cause a problem.  AND hope that the management of the chain is caught flat-footed and cannot take evasive action.

I noticed with delight that Blockstream was smart enough to set expectations of reliable peg operations at something like 24 to 48 hours.  What this mean is that a successfully 'primitive' attack would necessitate giving away any proceeds which could be obtained mining honestly for a fair amount of time. 

Unless, of course, the attack was externally funded which is entirely possible.  If a sha256 miner is already in a idle mode due to unprofitably, it is entirely possible that a sponsor could retain them as mercenary to carry out attacks for not a lot of money.  The long operations cycle means that there is a fair amount of time to mount a defense.

Most importantly, if sidechains were developed under and expectation of the long reliable peg operation cycle, they would be designed to operate autonomously with only a limitation to elements associated with their peg operations.  This means that end-users on various sidechains would probably not even know that an attack on the backing store were underway.  Contrast this with the grief which would be felt by XT users who demand real-time operation of their system with no downtime.  Much more brittle.

In short, mining could become interesting again, and especially if there was a transaction fee reward to those who find valid blocks in a sea of invalid blocks during an attack.  I never found mining to make much sense from an economic standpoint.  Warfare on the mining front could change that, and if transaction fees alternate hash algorithms came into the picture it could become both very interesting and potentially profitable.


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August 25, 2015, 12:43:25 PM
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http://xt.coin.dance/

Here's a website that at least attempts to weed out the fake nodes. I'm not sure about how automated it is.














 

 

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XTnodes released a block explorer highlighting blocks supporting BIP101 among the last 1000 blocks. It includes other information like where the blocks were mined as well as what percentage BIP101 is among the most recent 1k blocks.

I hope they got decent hosting to sustain traffic/DDoSing.

http://www.xtnodes.com/bip101_block_version_explorer.html














 

 

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XTnodes released a block explorer highlighting blocks supporting BIP101 among the last 1000 blocks. It includes other information like where the blocks were mined as well as what percentage BIP101 is among the most recent 1k blocks.

I hope they got decent hosting to sustain traffic/DDoSing.

http://www.xtnodes.com/bip101_block_version_explorer.html

Did anyone ever mine a >1mb XT block?

No?  I'm shocked.  It seemed like such a popular idea!   Tongue

Oh well, better try again.  This time with Classic...  Roll Eyes


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