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February 05, 2016, 07:02:27 PM
Last edit: February 05, 2016, 09:57:18 PM by KingZee
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It's going to be less than a few weeks before the coin launches!

Maidsafe developer Ross created a new blogpost on the Maidsafe website:


Maidsafe Blog: Development Update

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We are very close to delivering the MVP and depending on which core developer you speak to, this can be measured in either days or weeks.

The small price pump confirms it, it's preparing for the launch too!

Beep boop beep boop
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February 05, 2016, 07:20:33 PM
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All decentralized file systems are doomed:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1344997.msg13730325#msg13730325
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1340057.msg13670558#msg13670558
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1340057.msg13783053#msg13783053

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February 05, 2016, 09:50:18 PM
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@TPTB_need_war

I see you on a lot of threads here.

Whats your favorite altcoin and what altcoin(s) you are hodling? Or do you hate them all?

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February 05, 2016, 10:32:46 PM
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What's being released soon is called the MVP(Minimum Viable Product). The MVP will not have SAFE Coin integrated into it yet. To see what else has to be done after the MVP is released read here -  https://forum.safenetwork.io/t/maidsafe-dev-update-8th-december-2015/6289/107

It's very exciting to have the MVP release but there are still things to done and I'd like to prevent people from setting their expectations really high only to get let down.

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February 05, 2016, 10:36:25 PM
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@TPTB_need_war

I see you on a lot of threads here.

Whats your favorite altcoin and what altcoin(s) you are hodling? Or do you hate them all?
He hates them all equally, because they all have fatal flaws.
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February 06, 2016, 06:16:21 AM
Last edit: February 06, 2016, 06:28:38 AM by CoinHoarder
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@OP

I have adjusted accordingly.

I think the value of Storj will take a hit if Maidsafe is released, so I took my profits there. Storj looks like it is enduring a correction anyways. I will leave that in BTC until I think it has bottomed, which I don't expect to happen until MAID's MVP is released, and then get back into my Storj position as I still feel like it has good potential to compete with Siacoin. MAID seems to be a different beast than Storj/Siacoin.

I left my Siacoin position the same as it was, since it is still the only data storage focused cryptocurrency that is actually out in the wild and working. It also has a solid developer behind it that has been pushing out updates often. Also, Siacoin seems to be targeting more of a niche "dropbox" market, while MAID is targeting a wide market... "the internet, messaging, apps, email, social networks, data storage, video conferencing, and much more."

Also, I bought up some more cheap MAID because I think it will explode when it is successfully released.
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February 06, 2016, 08:25:59 AM
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@TPTB_need_war

I see you on a lot of threads here.

Whats your favorite altcoin and what altcoin(s) you are hodling? Or do you hate them all?

Indeed I hate when people are promoting technology and they don't even enumerate the tradeoffs or bad aspects.

Any one who can't state their weaknesses and still find a way to make their coin compelling based in fact rather than hyperbole is on my shit list. Especially given none of the altcoins (except perhaps DOGE but I am not sure about that) have any adoption (other than speculators) at all.

DOGE is I guess an example of a coin that is humble/honest about its technological significance and overachieves and understates. But I am also a bit ignorant of all the details of DOGE's history and current state.

So for now, the only coin I support is Bitcoin mainly because it has adoption and creates the market for crypto as well as having Satoshi's invention for decentralized consensus (but also acknowledge the scaling is broken and it is being centralized). Also Bitcoin doesn't have on chain privacy. I also support the research on Zcash and it has the potential to be a coin I support because the technology is a potential game changer but not sure yet, depending on how the details play out. And especially if they remain very honest and open about the pitfalls in their technology (and it also depends too what they do with the funding and distribution strategy but I can support the open source research regardless).

I give an honorable mention to Cryptonote coins for attempting to solve the privacy issue. Also a fair mining launch (to some extent). I have no qualms about them getting some ROI in the markets. But I no longer support the technology (see link above for my reasons). I understand many of those guys put a lot of money and effort into that. I never did like the way their community behaved (snobbish, overbearing, etc).. They've seemed to have stopped that now, so hopefully there is peace. Perhaps they could say the same about me being overbearing or in too many threads. C'est la vie. Bottom line is I think I've lost any reason to support the research and development in Cryptonote or RingCT (unless something changes my understanding of the issues, which is highly doubtful at this point).

I support the creative attempt of Iota to solve the scaling and centralization issues. I argue in my Decentralized thread that they failed technologically, but I have no qualms about them getting some ROI in the markets. I mean we need to fund research otherwise without experiments then no progress will be made. For example, Iota's design influenced my thinking/design on how to potentially improve Satoshi's PoW design. That seems to be how progress is made by taking inspiration from each other and of course starting with Satoshi.

I was actually more positive on Bitshares until via private communications some others convinced me the likelihood that there is no adoption and many gimicks to mine the speculators. I took another look to see what had changed or been accomplished since 2013 when I stopped following it closely. And Bitshares is still off in bizarro hyperbole fantasy land in my opinion. I don't understand those guys at all. They certainly think they are up to something important, but none of it makes sense to me. Nobody is going to want to move all their trades onto one system. I don't see any compelling use cases of BitUSD (removing volatility doesn't make crypto attractive to the masses, and the speculators want volatility). Etc.. I just think Dan conceptualizes everything backwards from how I would. And I think I have a more correct understanding of economics, marketing, and what can work and what can't.

I am particularly disappointed with Ethereum. $millions down the hole and they didn't solve the fundamental issue for a scripting block chain. I support research but not wasting $millions with no major research achievements. At least with Zcash, they come hat in hand with blockbuster accomplishments in research already completed. For example, imagine I actually wanted to program (invest my effort) apps built on top of Ethereum, but I would not have the confidence to do so, because they haven't solved the fundamental technical issue. How can I get excited about what I can't use. I get excited about Android programming, because I can use it. I get excited about Node.js because I can use it in real projects.

About Nxt, I can't comment, because I have a conflict of interest.

For the 100s of other coins, that is far too much for me to study.

I provided some thoughts about Ripple and Stellar the prior day (just go to page 34 or so of my Decentralization thread).

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February 06, 2016, 10:39:29 AM
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It's getting time. There have been a lot of voices calling this Vaporware. Now we will see if it get's really finished. Smiley

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February 06, 2016, 10:43:20 AM
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It's going to be less than a few weeks before the coin launches!

Maidsafe developer Ross created a new blogpost on the Maidsafe website:


Maidsafe Blog: Development Update

And I quote:

Quote
We are very close to delivering the MVP and depending on which core developer you speak to, this can be measured in either days or weeks.

The small price pump confirms it, it's preparing for the launch too!

I am a big fan of start up coins but it should be good and promising not just another shit coin to over crowd the crypto currency world
would like to see how this coin goes and what are it's advantage and disadvantages over the other coins..


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February 06, 2016, 04:32:14 PM
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I am a big fan of start up coins but it should be good and promising not just another shit coin to over crowd the crypto currency world
would like to see how this coin goes and what are it's advantage and disadvantages over the other coins..

Maidsafe Coin is far from shit coin but you will need to trade it in for SAFE Coin when the network is live.

You pay SAFE Coin to store data on the SAFE Network.

All data packets on the SAFE Network are encrypted.

Use will just grow from there as more services and apps are added to work on the SAFE Network.

Go to forums.safenetwork.io to ask questions or check out maidsafe.net, their official website!

Don't miss the rocket to the moon!

https://i.imgur.com/xeIV1xA.png
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February 06, 2016, 04:58:08 PM
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I am a big fan of start up coins but it should be good and promising not just another shit coin to over crowd the crypto currency world
would like to see how this coin goes and what are it's advantage and disadvantages over the other coins..

Maidsafe Coin is far from shit coin but you will need to trade it in for SAFE Coin when the network is live.

You pay SAFE Coin to store data on the SAFE Network.

All data packets on the SAFE Network are encrypted.

Use will just grow from there as more services and apps are added to work on the SAFE Network.

Go to forums.safenetwork.io to ask questions or check out maidsafe.net, their official website!

Don't miss the rocket to the moon!



It has been explained by the devs, that when the network launches, MaidSafe will be exchanged for SAFE coins at a 1:1 rate, and since "most" of the coins are in Poloniex, it will all happen between the exchange and the devs, so users won't have to worry about anything.

Beep boop beep boop
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February 06, 2016, 05:06:21 PM
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I've been hearing about MAIDSafe coin for a long time but they will only release this month ? What's that joke ?

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thank you for honesty in your investing strategy TPTB

you are smart

what do you think of Kyle Bass and George Soros

world greatest investment opportunity today

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1354286.msg13786959#msg13786959

I follow http://blog.mpettis.com/ and Martin Armstrong. Armstrong has consistently said China will have a crisis starting 2017 and bottom in 2020 (but I don't know about Yuan and FX crisis), as well that oil will rise again in 2017 as the War Cycle heats up to hot wars. Pettis has argued that China needs to rebalance from manufacturing to services and they would need < 3% growth for a decade. Both have made the point that China has refused to revert to the mean and thus will suffer Waterfall collapse 2017 - 2020. Armstrong has noted $850 billion of capital exodus from China just within the past year, as the wealthy diversify out of China and into SE Asia and more so luxury investments in the USA and USD denominated investments.

Note China and India will rise up and be the financial leaders of the world from 2032 onwards.

Edit: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35516054

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Storj guy here. All of the actor vectors you described are addressed in the our whitepaper or a blog post.

1) Sybil - Bonds and unique pieces
2) Illegal content - Greylists
3) Bandwidth vs storage - pay for both

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February 08, 2016, 05:59:36 PM
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Storj guy here. All of the actor vectors you described are addressed in the our whitepaper or a blog post.

1) Sybil - Bonds and unique pieces
2) Illegal content - Greylists
3) Bandwidth vs storage - pay for both

But TPTB is a genius and you are an imbecile. He is so smart that he can determine your cryptocurrency is broken, worthless, and doomed without even researching it or reading the whitepaper.  Roll Eyes

I feel sorry for all of the people that consider everything he has to say as the gospel, because he will certainly claim he is correct and never wrong.. apparently without even doing the proper research.
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I read the white paper last week.

1) Sybil - Bonds and unique pieces

There is no way to do proof-of-storage that is robust. The only way is to make some assumptions about latency of propagation to a centralized copy of all files, but that can be gamed. Propagation is not proof.

2) Illegal content - Greylists

The Storj FAQ confirms these are opt-in, and not forced. Thus I maintain my point that the Storj protocol can become banned (refused) by Hosts (and even ISPs). We are moving into totalitarianism and increased government control over the internet.

This direction of enabling theft of copyrights is begging for your project to be attacked and fail.

3) Bandwidth vs storage - pay for both

Pay how? Micropayments for each access to bandwidth?

How to pay for storage when it is decentralized with unbounded replications and can be Sybil attacked.

Sorry these decentralized systems are doomed. The concept can't work.

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 Torrents exist.
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Torrents exist.

For a little while.

And KimDotFatCom is not in prison for a little while longer.

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I read the white paper last week.

1) Sybil - Bonds and unique pieces

There is no way to do proof-of-storage that is robust. The only way is to make some assumptions about latency of propagation to a centralized copy of all files, but that can be gamed. Propagation is not proof.

2) Illegal content - Greylists

The Storj FAQ confirms these are opt-in, and not forced. Thus I maintain my point that the Storj protocol can become banned (refused) by Hosts (and even ISPs). We are moving into totalitarianism and increased government control over the internet.

This direction of enabling theft of copyrights is begging for your project to be attacked and fail.

3) Bandwidth vs storage - pay for both

Pay how? Micropayments for each access to bandwidth?

How to pay for storage when it is decentralized with unbounded replications and can be Sybil attacked.

Sorry these decentralized systems are doomed. The concept can't work.
The mathematical models are right there in the paper. We are collecting live data from the network, which proves the models are correct.

"Its not going to work" in face of real data showing that is working is not going to cut it. Please provide some data or mathematical models that say otherwise. Latency doesn't matter for proofs.

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February 09, 2016, 03:38:11 AM
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so which one

maid or storj? and why?
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