Bitcoin Core vs. Bitcoin Classic

[bargainbin]

Bitcoin Classic nodes is simple from free time hosting. See the details here
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Lol no. It's you Core shills who run multiple nodes

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I'm running nodes to keep the network decentralized.
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Oy vey, a core sybil attack! Halp!

[Lauda]

Bitcoin Classic nodes is simple from free time hosting. See the details here

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/461nvy/node_distributions_based_on_type_and_datacenters/#oo
http://imgur.com/a/jweYf

The number of nodes is not a reliable metric. I've said this a number of times. This statement is especially valid when one is pulling up data from a very short period of time. If you look at a longer time period you would get the 'real' number of nodes which has been slowly declining.

What will be next? My vote for a cooler name is Bitcoin Reloaded.

I would not be surprised if it was something in the lines of 'Bitcoin Original'.

What's that about sig restrictions in classic? that looks like a backward step.

A bad workaround to the quadratic scaling problem. Segwit provides an actual solution to this.

[bitmine49]

I just wonder why Gavin is so sure that "thousands of Classic nodes will appear". They didn't appear for XT. Maybe, he knows that "a little help from unknown friends" is sure to come...

I thought the post was pretty clear, it was " People are committing to spinning up thousands" and 'not thousands of people are committed to spinning up a node'-- it's a planned sybil attack-- and that is also what I've seen from this rise of "classic" "nodes". There are several less obvious node count measures that don't show the growth.

AFAICT, the latest strategy is to fake out the node counts with large numbers of sybils and then try to use that to pressure miners into adopting classic; which would then pressure actual users to go along with it. This isn't going to work, and most charitable way I can explain the strategies used by the people frantically pushing for a controversial hardfork is that the people involved in these forks keep thinking that everyone else in Bitcoin is stupid.  How else can you explain the faux urgency-- that almost no one bought-- or the bait and switch policies for miners-- to the cheap characterization that Bitcoin Core is all blockstream and so on?

All these nonsense and attacks frustrate me-- they waste a tone of time and energy that could be used driving Bitcoin forward.

So for those that believe in bitcoin to be a decentralized currency. And agree with the fundamental disruptive potential for bitcoin - what should we / can we/ do? I run a full node of bitcoin core. I do believe that the bankers and gov's will try to control this. What can I do?

[iCEBREAKER]

What's that about sig restrictions in classic? that looks like a backward step.

Sig restrictions in Classic?   

But we were told the only change was a simple variable tweak of max_block_size, from 1MB to 2MB.   

Sig restrictions sounds like something that needs more than "not much" testing.  Such a change is likely to become ossified and semi-permanent, so we have to get it right the first time.  I hope Toomin is (relatively) sober when he tests the sig restrictions!   

What else is Classic hiding and/or downplaying?  More XT-style Easter eggs, like Hearn's checkpoints and blacklists?

[bargainbin]

... More XT-style Easter eggs, like Hearn's checkpoints and blacklists?

The best Easter egg ever: newfangled global currency couldn't handle the business end of a small US shopping mall.
Surprise!
And yet there's still an occasional casualty to be seen on these august fora, nursing the dream of "major investors" coming to sink perfectly good money into this flaming bag of shit Titanic.

[rizzlarolla]

Core or classic (or XT or unlimited, or for that matter .... )
They are all full of shlt conflict of interest, as you would expect when there is money involved.


They got their own agendas.

The big argument here, in bitcoin, seems to be about "who's side you on?",
not which "bits" of ideas work form each side and are right for Bitcoin. (how decentralisation should be)
I don't consider myself core or classic, I don't trust the personnel. Not now. (TBF i don't know enough about them, not slandering)

I now want 2mb blocks to cope with increased users. (i previously did NOT want a raise, not for the sake of it. I don't buy coffee)
(completely doable. implemented on it's own, "probably" easily achievable through concensus)

I do not want segwit sidechain BS. That is a manipulation by core. (?)
I do not want a further increased blocksize planned. That is classic manipulation. (?)
(the list of do not want goes on)

I don't want either group (or others) thinking they have vito over Bitcoin.
They don't.

I conclude, 2mb now (6 months ?). No segwit yet. Nothing else yet.
Couldn't be simpler.
Core could do this. Classic could do this. Anyone could do this?

Stop tampering with my Bitcoin.

[iCEBREAKER]

2mb now (6 months ?). No segwit yet. Nothing else yet.
Couldn't be simpler.

"2MB right meow" isn't as simple as just turning a dial from 1 to 2.

Complex changes to the signature structure (IE restrictions) are also required, in order to put a (shitty) band-aid on a problem segwit actually fixes.

If you could learn the basic facts of the matter before spewing your wishful thinking all over the forum, that would be great.   

[rizzlarolla]

2mb now (6 months ?). No segwit yet. Nothing else yet.
Couldn't be simpler.

"2MB right meow" isn't as simple as just turning a dial from 1 to 2.

Complex changes to the signature structure (IE restrictions) are also required, in order to put a (shitty) band-aid on a problem segwit actually fixes.

If you could learn the basic facts of the matter before spewing your wishful thinking all over the forum, that would be great.  

Ok, sorry.

I try not to spew all over the forum. see my post count.  


edit, (to save posting again  )  Yeah, right meow in 6 months, if the will was there. It's on every ones list anyway

[alyssa85]

The nodes are a red herring. What counts is the blocks hashed. Classic is actually doing better than XT was, in that Classic blocks are being mined frequently. We'll have to wait and see whether they build up momentum or not.

[chek2fire]

A date with Sybil

https://medium.com/@laurentmt/a-date-with-sybil-bdb33bd91ac3#.i64ieojet

[chopstick]

Support Classic if you don't want to sell out bitcoin to a VC-funded corporation who's just in it for the money.

Money/Greed has always been the #1 corrupting force. It's no different here.

[chek2fire]

Support Classic if you don't want to sell out bitcoin to a VC-funded corporation who's just in it for the money.

Money/Greed has always been the #1 corrupting force. It's no different here.

and who is this vc-funded corporation? Coinbase?

[Lauda]

Money/Greed has always been the #1 corrupting force. It's no different here.

and who is this vc-funded corporation? Coinbase?

Support Classic so that we hopelessly rush mainstream adoption because of not greed? The main reason for which they'd want to rush it is an increase in the price per Bitcoin. Coinbase is one of those corporations.

More nodes doesn't indicate that many bitcoiner support bitcoin classic now, classic (and others) nodes can be manipulated.

The majority of Classic nodes are on Amazon. They're useless.

A date with Sybil

https://medium.com/@laurentmt/a-date-with-sybil-bdb33bd91ac3#.i64ieojet

Great article. Maximum of 213 Classic supporters.

[Piladeer]

Money/Greed has always been the #1 corrupting force. It's no different here.

and who is this vc-funded corporation? Coinbase?

Support Classic so that we hopelessly rush mainstream adoption because of not greed? The main reason for which they'd want to rush it is an increase in the price per Bitcoin. Coinbase is one of those corporations.

More nodes doesn't indicate that many bitcoiner support bitcoin classic now, classic (and others) nodes can be manipulated.

The majority of Classic nodes are on Amazon. They're useless.

A date with Sybil

https://medium.com/@laurentmt/a-date-with-sybil-bdb33bd91ac3#.i64ieojet

Great article. Maximum of 213 Classic supporters.

I am supporting Core at the moment. But if there is no SegWit implementation later this month, I will support Classic.

[Lauda]

I am supporting Core at the moment. But if there is no SegWit implementation later this month, I will support Classic.

The code might be ready, but we can't know in which version of Core it is going to be released (right now; there might be some information that I'm unaware of). Additionally, it takes time to activate a soft fork. Just be patient.

[shorena]

I am supporting Core at the moment. But if there is no SegWit implementation later this month, I will support Classic.

The code might be ready, but we can't know in which version of Core it is going to be released (right now; there might be some information that I'm unaware of). Additionally, it takes time to activate a soft fork. Just be patient.

Apparently April 2016
-> https://bitcoincore.org/en/2015/12/23/capacity-increases-faq/
-> https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/capacity-increases-faq

Its probably outdated though.

[Piladeer]

I am supporting Core at the moment. But if there is no SegWit implementation later this month, I will support Classic.

The code might be ready, but we can't know in which version of Core it is going to be released (right now; there might be some information that I'm unaware of). Additionally, it takes time to activate a soft fork. Just be patient.

Apparently April 2016
-> https://bitcoincore.org/en/2015/12/23/capacity-increases-faq/
-> https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/capacity-increases-faq

Its probably outdated though.

I saw the road map previously. I think it is the April 2016. I hope it will have been tested throughly later this month.

[Lauda]

I saw the road map previously. I think it is the April 2016.

Yes, that is the initial estimate for the release of the code. That does not mean that it will be merged nor activated in April.

I hope it will have been tested throughly later this month.

It is being developed and tested since the start of the year.