SatoshiDICE manipuled Game

[vgjuanjo777]

Hi everybody I made my own bot for SD and 3 month of wins and high loses, I staring think that SD is manipulated. I will put proofs of my words.

If somebody have the same suspicion please share your experience.

[xetsr]

What do you think is being manipulated?

[DarkStar_]

Any proof that your rolls are manipulated? Sometimes in gambling you are just unlucky. If you gamble a lot, long win streaks start to become less rare.
On the other hand, if you lose a very low multiplier like X1.02 and you lose like 5+ times in a row, it might be rigged, but again, you could just be unlucky.

[vgjuanjo777]

I have some reasons for think it but I have 2 main ideas First: The time of response, when you start the response of the server is fast and when you start to win the time of response start to leak, I create another user for check it that and the response is very fast. Second: I use a martingale strategy and when I send high bet some times the server don`t respond in a few time and in the a lot times loses.

[vgjuanjo777]

I have some reasons for think it but I have 2 main ideas First: The time of response, when you start the response of the server is fast and when you start to win the time of response start to leak, I create another user for check it that and the response is very fast. Second: I use a martingale strategy and when I send high bet some times the server don`t respond in a few time and in the a lot times loses.

Interesting, but even if the site has some sort of "rigged" algorithm, don't think you would notice it through time response of the server.

Any proof that your rolls are manipulated? Sometimes in gambling you are just unlucky. If you gamble a lot, long win streaks start to become less rare.
On the other hand, if you lose a very low multiplier like X1.02 and you lose like 5+ times in a row, it might be rigged, but again, you could just be unlucky.

Yes I'm making a program for create colitions with the same format that uses SD, for proof that is posible the manipulation.

[Phildo]

Losing all your money using martingale doesn't mean anything is broken but your brain, because that's what happens when you do martingale with a -ev bet.

[RHavar]

Yes I'm making a program for create colitions with the same format that uses SD, for proof that is posible the manipulation.

If you can generate a collision, it would indicate their salt is weak. Which would allow you to cheat them, not vice versa. There's simply no way they could have an alternate preimages for a sha256 hash.

[klf]

I think you should post a proof to defend what your trying to blame casino otherwise no one will believe your claim so first try to post the proof.

Mostly after losing lot of money on casino, people start thinking site may not be probably fair and it is common think every one does after losing.

[Erza]

Please give us some proof that satoshidice is manipulate your rolls? And you build up your own bot so I think that is not fully satoshidice fault. And there is no way they manipulated your roll because you can check their provably fair to just in case you are being cheated

[yanka50]

I don't think they are manipulating anything.

[vgjuanjo777]

I don't say that SD are manipulating the game, I made this Post for expose that is possible and how can be possible, I know the problem of martingale strategy. The time response of the server is my major suspicion especially when the stakes grow much. I'm no expert in cryptography and I know that the collision is very difficult but is possible. I think that is necessary some pre generate collision for break it. I have the hope that SD is playing fair.

[vgjuanjo777]

Please give us some proof that satoshidice is manipulate your rolls? And you build up your own bot so I think that is not fully satoshidice fault. And there is no way they manipulated your roll because you can check their provably fair to just in case you are being cheated

I'm working in my bot for demonstrate it, when I start I make good winnings proof of that is I got a lot of wins check it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77870.msg13215698#msg13215698

1GdFxJLwGSUYkM4f9gBwi6eVYBmm3mwqzx is a wallet that I used for SD.
I'm no using martingale strategy alone, I'm working in this for months.

[Joel_Jantsen]

So where is the bot and where is the code?The message that you have linked to seems like the owner of the Satoshi Dice.You could explain the scripts ? Which exactly you're talking about ? I have had bad experiences with the site too if you can come up with a logical proof we can try experimenting with it.

[Mickeyb]

I think that is necessary some pre generate collision for break it.

Lol what? You seriously don't know what you're talkin about and are just throwing words around to sound fancy or knowledgeable.

The time response of the server is my major suspicion especially when the stakes grow much.

That is something you can prove, but it just as well might be your network , ISP , the server at SD having some issues or a bunch of other coincidences. Still, try recording it the next time you play and don't let us rely on your 'intuition'

[vgjuanjo777]

I think that is necessary some pre generate collision for break it.

Lol what? You seriously don't know what you're talkin about and are just throwing words around to sound fancy or knowledgeable.

The time response of the server is my major suspicion especially when the stakes grow much.

That is something you can prove, but it just as well might be your network , ISP , the server at SD having some issues or a bunch of other coincidences. Still, try recording it the next time you play and don't let us rely on your 'intuition'

Yes, I'm learning about this, I do not want to continue my 'intuition', and do not believe in the 'coincidences'. One more time I put this post for for expose that is possible and how can be possible. If somebody can help me i will apreciate it.

[plost24]

there is very hard to manipulate game so if you don't have no proof if you lost is your responsability

[PHP.guru]

I think that is necessary some pre generate collision for break it.

Lol what? You seriously don't know what you're talkin about and are just throwing words around to sound fancy or knowledgeable.

The time response of the server is my major suspicion especially when the stakes grow much.

That is something you can prove, but it just as well might be your network , ISP , the server at SD having some issues or a bunch of other coincidences. Still, try recording it the next time you play and don't let us rely on your 'intuition'

Yes, I'm learning about this, I do not want to continue my 'intuition', and do not believe in the 'coincidences'. One more time I put this post for for expose that is possible and how can be possible. If somebody can help me i will apreciate it.

well satoshidice has some network problems lately, they were down cause of DDos a week ago and so on. I don't think that you shall worry if the "time delay" problem is the only proof.

[BitcoinSupremo]

Please give us some proof that satoshidice is manipulate your rolls? And you build up your own bot so I think that is not fully satoshidice fault. And there is no way they manipulated your roll because you can check their provably fair to just in case you are being cheated

I'm working in my bot for demonstrate it, when I start I make good winnings proof of that is I got a lot of wins check it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77870.msg13215698#msg13215698

1GdFxJLwGSUYkM4f9gBwi6eVYBmm3mwqzx is a wallet that I used for SD.
I'm no using martingale strategy alone, I'm working in this for months.

You had 400 BTC in that address and you lost it or you divided it between different wallets, cause if you lost it , you made a huge mistake man.

[teilwalL05]

Hi everybody I made my own bot for SD and 3 month of wins and high loses, I staring think that SD is manipulated. I will put proofs of my words.

If somebody have the same suspicion please share your experience.

You should have your proofs firsts before saying that SD is really manipulated and if not then you only are really unlucky with it I think your really bitter because of losing and gambling really is a manipulated game that is really addicting!

[vgjuanjo777]

Hi everyone!!! In this days I was reading, reading and reading, LOL and well I fell like a big idiot, I remember the day that I had 22 btc in satoshidice and I started with 0.4 btc in a few hours. I was trying to withdraw and I could not because the hot wallets of satoshidice was empty. Well, I search in bitcointalk what happened with SD, and boom!! I got this:

Here's your transactions:

Code:

{
  "0": {
    "address": "13cpccyfKfZtGXX5feYjxpzLScSeaJwN3m",
    "category": "receive",
    "amountInSatoshis": 20000000,
    "time": "2015-12-09 21:13:17",
    "timereceived": "2015-12-09 21:13:17",
    "txid": "44596675705175fde6de5248988244759d7e5d8d69bb54f30a722fc74af3cf55",
    "confirmations": 10
  },
  "1": {
    "address": "1QKvWJPi8RjJZ7y6oSASpUA6nQChog7LcD",
    "category": "send",
    "amountInSatoshis": -19990000,
    "withdrawalFeeInSatoshis": 0,
    "time": "2015-12-09 22:06:48",
    "txid": "99ed4bdf18dacaf090f280739d2cc7ee70ae7d2ca1848465099313386bd99f5f",
    "confirmations": 10
  },
  "queryTimeInSeconds": 0.0208
}

Every deposit made to SatoshiDice that people posted here the past few days all move to the same BTC address: https://blockchain.info/nl/address/1GdFxJLwGSUYkM4f9gBwi6eVYBmm3mwqzx
In other words: The only thing you are proofing is your own wrongdoing of stealing user balances.

The Withdraw address has no relation to both your BTC address or the one I deposited from, which cleary shows those 0.2BTC are in no way related to my deposit and gives zero proof that this is the actual withdraw of my deposit or if it happend at all.

You could have manually initiated the withdraw to that address (being one of your own), perhaps if IP addresses were actually logged and PGP signed you would have a chance of actually having some facts.

Please come with decent facts next time, you are just throwing up useless information to hide the fact that either your company or one of its employees is stealing all user balances.

Beware before depositing: Many people are having the issue of their balance being stolen the instant it is confirmed
High chance that this is a scam that they are pulling off themselves!

The hot wallet sends out from other inputs and to the address that the user specifies when making the withdrawal. This game is not on the blockchain so the hot wallet will normally use previous inputs when sending out withdrawals. We have logs of the IP address that was used for withdrawing from your account.

We're NOT withdrawing people's balances. It's impossible to prove a negative and anyone can deposit some funds, withdraw them and then claim that it wasn't them withdrawing. If someone has access to a user account that didn't set a password, they can withdraw. We're not interfering with any accounts' activity.

I said WTF is my bitcoin address 1GdFxJLwGSUYkM4f9gBwi6eVYBmm3mwqzx    !!!

Well I don't say anything and continue paying and I start losing!! I only get 4Btc of this 22Btc but how I start with 0.4btc I think Ok is well the next time I will stop to play.

Well i will continue with my history tomorrow. Now, I have learned a very good lesson, in addition to new and interesting knowledge about gambling, cryptography and probability.