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Each block is stacked on top of the previous one. Adding another block to the top makes all lower blocks more difficult to remove: there is more "weight" above each block. A transaction in a block 6 blocks deep (6 confirmations) will be very difficult to remove.
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Note that in their other thread here BitSyncom has only claimed they would start shipping when their countdown timer reaches 0. (And yes, I didn't link to BitSyncom's comment) If you're not #1 on their pre-order list, you can't claim Avalon promised to ship your ASIC tomorrow. |
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January 20, 2013, 01:48:56 AM |
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Note that in their other thread here BitSyncom has only claimed they would start shipping when their countdown timer reaches 0. (And yes, I didn't link to BitSyncom's comment) If you're not #1 on their pre-order list, you can't claim Avalon promised to ship your ASIC tomorrow. Yep, they've consistently said that the first 300 units would be shipped over a period of about 2 weeks. It's clear that they're not all being shipped tonight because Avalon is putting up a form today for people to choose alternative shipping options. Given that they have been posting today, though, it would be a massive PR blunder if they didn't ship any units at all tonight - they should be well aware by now of any obstacles to getting those first units shipped later today. |
All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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January 20, 2013, 02:45:49 AM |
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Don't know how they ship but no place I know of ships on sundays.
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January 20, 2013, 02:55:42 AM |
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Don't know how they ship but no place I know of ships on sundays.
Logistics companies operate every day of the week and they're using DHL. The only reason some companies don't ship on weekends is that they only work standard office hours - it's not because courier and logistics companies don't work weekends. Amazon has shipped my orders on the weekend countless times - it's not that unusual. When the units will actually leave China will depend on how they're handling the customs process. You can arrange pre-authorisation if you're willing to pay for it. |
All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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mrb
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January 20, 2013, 03:37:54 AM |
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Don't know how they ship but no place I know of ships on sundays.
It will be 9pm in China. In theory it makes sense to start packing Sunday 9pm, work overnight, and have a first shipment ready to ship on Monday at dawn  |
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January 20, 2013, 03:57:10 AM |
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It will be 9pm in China. In theory it makes sense to start packing Sunday 9pm, work overnight, and have a first shipment ready to ship on Monday at dawn It would make even more sense to have the units on a flight out of China on Sunday night and landing in nearby destinations early Monday to get them cleared through customs and out to the local delivery services as soon as possible. I guess we'll know soon enough exactly what they mean when they say that they'll be "shipping" in 9 and a half hours. |
All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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January 20, 2013, 03:58:39 AM |
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I'd be interesting to track the votes in this poll to whether the voters are customers of Avalon, BFL, bASIC, or any of the above. I'd be a good number of people that said YES are customers, and a good number of people that said NO are not customers.
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January 20, 2013, 05:13:50 AM |
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It would make even more sense to have the units on a flight out of China on Sunday night and landing in nearby destinations early Monday to get them cleared through customs and out to the local delivery services as soon as possible.
It would make even more sense to have had the units already made and shipped back in December... wait no, November, October! What is your point??? |
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January 20, 2013, 05:21:27 AM |
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Maybe i misread an avalon quote but i thought they would have shown pics or a video by now as they said they would....
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January 20, 2013, 05:41:32 AM |
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Didn't I read something about a demo in December?  If so, then they've already failed to deliver on schedule. No wonder they're getting all pissy and quarrelsome.  |
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January 20, 2013, 06:58:59 AM |
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Didn't I read something about a demo in December? If so, then they've already failed to deliver on schedule. No wonder they're getting all pissy and quarrelsome. yep IT'S OKAY, WE'RE BETTER THAN BFL, HONEST |
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January 20, 2013, 08:03:52 AM |
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Don't know how they ship but no place I know of ships on sundays.
Logistics companies operate every day of the week and they're using DHL. The only reason some companies don't ship on weekends is that they only work standard office hours - it's not because courier and logistics companies don't work weekends. Amazon has shipped my orders on the weekend countless times - it's not that unusual. When the units will actually leave China will depend on how they're handling the customs process. You can arrange pre-authorisation if you're willing to pay for it. Have you ever got any packages on Sunday? I know shipping companies work 7 days a week shipping packages that have already been processed. How many companies pick up on sundays is what I should have said. |
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January 20, 2013, 08:25:10 AM |
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Have you ever got any packages on Sunday? I know shipping companies work 7 days a week shipping packages that have already been processed. How many companies pick up on sundays is what I should have said.
For something like this, they may well be dropping the consignment off at DHL themselves - I've certainly done that myself in the past when it was something important. They're able to arrange collections on weekends (as well as deliveries) but it's usually not cheap. I wouldn't do it with a consignment like this one because the last thing you want is to think everything's fine and then find out a couple of days later that the paperwork's not in order and your consignment is just sitting there doing nothing. At least if you drop off the consignment yourself, you're on the spot to fill out additional paperwork, fix errors, etc. |
All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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January 20, 2013, 08:28:32 AM |
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Clock shouldn't have been set to end on a Sunday then...
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Why did I sell at $5! Come back to me my old bitcoin! 1GjeBGS4KrxKAeEVt8d1fTnuKgpKpMmL6S
If you don't like the price of BTC come back in 8 hours.
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January 20, 2013, 11:59:39 AM |
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Last time I checked, not every country in the world does the whole Monday -> Friday = "the week" and Saturday -> Sunday = "the weekend" thing. But I have no clue what the custom is in China, or perhaps even that of the province Avalon team are working out of.
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January 20, 2013, 01:41:13 PM |
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They shipped two units, or less than 1% of their order count as of now. That's basically the same as not shipping.
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John (John K.)
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January 20, 2013, 01:48:51 PM |
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They shipped two units, or less than 1% of their order count as of now. That's basically the same as not shipping.
At least we'll know if they have a working product or not. |
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January 20, 2013, 02:07:51 PM |
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They shipped two units, or less than 1% of their order count as of now. That's basically the same as not shipping.
I'm not sure you can read that into the post: Oh you guys, I think everyone is at a boiling point because of the delays made by our competitors.
We shipped, website will be updated shortly.
First unit goes to Jeff Garzik in honor for the work he has done for the bitcoin codebase being the only developer who ordered from us.
we also arranged to ship a unit to the Bitcoin Foundation, whom is going to do a demo.
The avalon team on the other hand is going to make sure the whole shipping process go smoothly. like handling DHL/EMS problem, and other custom issues.
cheers.
BitSyncom said they shipped, and mentioned two of the recipients. He didn't say only two were shipped. |
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