Anti-Atheist Bigotry: Atheists Are As Distrusted As Rapists

[BitcoinBlackjack]

You can have morality and ethics without religion. This is something that many religious people fail to understand!

[BADecker]

You can have morality and ethics without religion. This is something that many religious people fail to understand!

It's kinda the other way. Everybody has morals and ethics in one form or another, because everybody has religion, even though it may not be one of the formal religions.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t



EDIT: To see that this is true, consider all the people of a particular formal religion. No two people believe their religion in exactly the same way. Usually they formally claim that they accept some doctrine that the leaders proclaim, or that is in some religious books. But because they all understand it differently, there are simply a bunch of people with their own individual religion that happen to go under the name and banner of a particular formal religion.

It's like this with all the people in the world... except that some don't have a religion that is formally stated to be a religion.

[organofcorti]

You can have morality and ethics without religion. This is something that many religious people fail to understand!

It's kinda the other way. Everybody has morals and ethics in one form or another, because everybody has religion, even though it may not be one of the formal religions.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t



EDIT: To see that this is true, consider all the people of a particular formal religion. No two people believe their religion in exactly the same way. Usually they formally claim that they accept some doctrine that the leaders proclaim, or that is in some religious books. But because they all understand it differently, there are simply a bunch of people with their own individual religion that happen to go under the name and banner of a particular formal religion.

It's like this with all the people in the world... except that some don't have a religion that is formally stated to be a religion.

Did you even read your link?

religion
[ri-lij-uh n]
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noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6.
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7.
religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

Idioms
9.
get religion, Informal.
to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.
to resolve to mend one's errant ways:
The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.


noun
1.
belief in, worship of, or obedience to a supernatural power or powers considered to be divine or to have control of human destiny
2.
any formal or institutionalized expression of such belief: the Christian religion
3.
the attitude and feeling of one who believes in a transcendent controlling power or powers
4.
(mainly RC Church) the way of life determined by the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience entered upon by monks, friars, and nuns: to enter religion
5.
something of overwhelming importance to a person: football is his religion
6.
(archaic)
the practice of sacred ritual observances
sacred rites and ceremonies
Word Origin
C12: via Old French from Latin religiō fear of the supernatural, piety, probably from religāre to tie up, from re- + ligāre to bind

Only some of these definitions agree with your definition of "religion" whereas all of them agree with my (atheism excluding) definition of religion.

[BADecker]

You can have morality and ethics without religion. This is something that many religious people fail to understand!

It's kinda the other way. Everybody has morals and ethics in one form or another, because everybody has religion, even though it may not be one of the formal religions.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t



EDIT: To see that this is true, consider all the people of a particular formal religion. No two people believe their religion in exactly the same way. Usually they formally claim that they accept some doctrine that the leaders proclaim, or that is in some religious books. But because they all understand it differently, there are simply a bunch of people with their own individual religion that happen to go under the name and banner of a particular formal religion.

It's like this with all the people in the world... except that some don't have a religion that is formally stated to be a religion.

Did you even read your link?

religion
[ri-lij-uh n]
Spell  Syllables
Examples Word Origin
See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6.
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7.
religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

Idioms
9.
get religion, Informal.
to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.
to resolve to mend one's errant ways:
The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.


noun
1.
belief in, worship of, or obedience to a supernatural power or powers considered to be divine or to have control of human destiny
2.
any formal or institutionalized expression of such belief: the Christian religion
3.
the attitude and feeling of one who believes in a transcendent controlling power or powers
4.
(mainly RC Church) the way of life determined by the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience entered upon by monks, friars, and nuns: to enter religion
5.
something of overwhelming importance to a person: football is his religion
6.
(archaic)
the practice of sacred ritual observances
sacred rites and ceremonies
Word Origin
C12: via Old French from Latin religiō fear of the supernatural, piety, probably from religāre to tie up, from re- + ligāre to bind

Only some of these definitions agree with your definition of "religion" whereas all of them agree with my (atheism excluding) definition of religion.

Your dictatorial-like suggesting of what other people think doesn't work. Nobody knows what other people think... except God, of course. So, in your brazen suggesting that you know what I think, you are essentially suggesting that you are God. Fine attitude for a self-proclaimed atheist.

Of course, when a person looks at the definitions of religion above, from http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t, it is easy to see that atheism falls into the definition.

Since your definition of "atheism" doesn't fit the above definition by your own words "... (atheism excluding) ..." why don't you call what you are saying is atheism according to what it really is? Oh, that's right. You can't. Why not? Atheism is self-defeating. It doesn't exist. Atheism is an oxymoron, if for no other reason than an atheist can't believe that God doesn't exist, because there is too much evidence in science and nature that shows that God exists.

What is an atheist doing if he isn't and really can't be an atheist? He is setting himself up as god, against nature and science. No atheism. Simply lying self worship.

[organofcorti]

You can have morality and ethics without religion. This is something that many religious people fail to understand!

It's kinda the other way. Everybody has morals and ethics in one form or another, because everybody has religion, even though it may not be one of the formal religions.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t



EDIT: To see that this is true, consider all the people of a particular formal religion. No two people believe their religion in exactly the same way. Usually they formally claim that they accept some doctrine that the leaders proclaim, or that is in some religious books. But because they all understand it differently, there are simply a bunch of people with their own individual religion that happen to go under the name and banner of a particular formal religion.

It's like this with all the people in the world... except that some don't have a religion that is formally stated to be a religion.

Did you even read your link?

religion
[ri-lij-uh n]
Spell  Syllables
Examples Word Origin
See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6.
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7.
religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

Idioms
9.
get religion, Informal.
to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.
to resolve to mend one's errant ways:
The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.


noun
1.
belief in, worship of, or obedience to a supernatural power or powers considered to be divine or to have control of human destiny
2.
any formal or institutionalized expression of such belief: the Christian religion
3.
the attitude and feeling of one who believes in a transcendent controlling power or powers
4.
(mainly RC Church) the way of life determined by the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience entered upon by monks, friars, and nuns: to enter religion
5.
something of overwhelming importance to a person: football is his religion
6.
(archaic)
the practice of sacred ritual observances
sacred rites and ceremonies
Word Origin
C12: via Old French from Latin religiō fear of the supernatural, piety, probably from religāre to tie up, from re- + ligāre to bind

Only some of these definitions agree with your definition of "religion" whereas all of them agree with my (atheism excluding) definition of religion.

Your dictatorial-like suggesting of what other people think doesn't work. Nobody knows what other people think... except God, of course. So, in your brazen suggesting that you know what I think, you are essentially suggesting that you are God. Fine attitude for a self-proclaimed atheist.

Of course, when a person looks at the definitions of religion above, from http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t, it is easy to see that atheism falls into the definition.

Since your definition of "atheism" doesn't fit the above definition by your own words "... (atheism excluding) ..." why don't you call what you are saying is atheism according to what it really is? Oh, that's right. You can't. Why not? Atheism is self-defeating. It doesn't exist. Atheism is an oxymoron, if for no other reason than an atheist can't believe that God doesn't exist, because there is too much evidence in science and nature that shows that God exists.

What is an atheist doing if he isn't and really can't be an atheist? He is setting himself up as god, against nature and science. No atheism. Simply lying self worship.

Dictatorial? No. I'm pointing out that your definition is not supported by your link.

[BADecker]

You can have morality and ethics without religion. This is something that many religious people fail to understand!

It's kinda the other way. Everybody has morals and ethics in one form or another, because everybody has religion, even though it may not be one of the formal religions.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t



EDIT: To see that this is true, consider all the people of a particular formal religion. No two people believe their religion in exactly the same way. Usually they formally claim that they accept some doctrine that the leaders proclaim, or that is in some religious books. But because they all understand it differently, there are simply a bunch of people with their own individual religion that happen to go under the name and banner of a particular formal religion.

It's like this with all the people in the world... except that some don't have a religion that is formally stated to be a religion.

Did you even read your link?

religion
[ri-lij-uh n]
Spell  Syllables
Examples Word Origin
See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6.
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7.
religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

Idioms
9.
get religion, Informal.
to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.
to resolve to mend one's errant ways:
The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.


noun
1.
belief in, worship of, or obedience to a supernatural power or powers considered to be divine or to have control of human destiny
2.
any formal or institutionalized expression of such belief: the Christian religion
3.
the attitude and feeling of one who believes in a transcendent controlling power or powers
4.
(mainly RC Church) the way of life determined by the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience entered upon by monks, friars, and nuns: to enter religion
5.
something of overwhelming importance to a person: football is his religion
6.
(archaic)
the practice of sacred ritual observances
sacred rites and ceremonies
Word Origin
C12: via Old French from Latin religiō fear of the supernatural, piety, probably from religāre to tie up, from re- + ligāre to bind

Only some of these definitions agree with your definition of "religion" whereas all of them agree with my (atheism excluding) definition of religion.

Your dictatorial-like suggesting of what other people think doesn't work. Nobody knows what other people think... except God, of course. So, in your brazen suggesting that you know what I think, you are essentially suggesting that you are God. Fine attitude for a self-proclaimed atheist.

Of course, when a person looks at the definitions of religion above, from http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t, it is easy to see that atheism falls into the definition.

Since your definition of "atheism" doesn't fit the above definition by your own words "... (atheism excluding) ..." why don't you call what you are saying is atheism according to what it really is? Oh, that's right. You can't. Why not? Atheism is self-defeating. It doesn't exist. Atheism is an oxymoron, if for no other reason than an atheist can't believe that God doesn't exist, because there is too much evidence in science and nature that shows that God exists.

What is an atheist doing if he isn't and really can't be an atheist? He is setting himself up as god, against nature and science. No atheism. Simply lying self worship.

Dictatorial? No. I'm pointing out that your definition is not supported by your link.

There you go again, acting like the definition is my definition. Just because I link to a definition doesn't make it mine. However...

From the definition:

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

Regarding those atheists who adamantly profess their atheism, #6 shows atheism to be a religion. You don't need me to do it. You don't need my definition. It's the standard definition.

[organofcorti]

You can have morality and ethics without religion. This is something that many religious people fail to understand!

It's kinda the other way. Everybody has morals and ethics in one form or another, because everybody has religion, even though it may not be one of the formal religions.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t



EDIT: To see that this is true, consider all the people of a particular formal religion. No two people believe their religion in exactly the same way. Usually they formally claim that they accept some doctrine that the leaders proclaim, or that is in some religious books. But because they all understand it differently, there are simply a bunch of people with their own individual religion that happen to go under the name and banner of a particular formal religion.

It's like this with all the people in the world... except that some don't have a religion that is formally stated to be a religion.

Did you even read your link?

religion
[ri-lij-uh n]
Spell  Syllables
Examples Word Origin
See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6.
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7.
religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

Idioms
9.
get religion, Informal.
to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.
to resolve to mend one's errant ways:
The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.


noun
1.
belief in, worship of, or obedience to a supernatural power or powers considered to be divine or to have control of human destiny
2.
any formal or institutionalized expression of such belief: the Christian religion
3.
the attitude and feeling of one who believes in a transcendent controlling power or powers
4.
(mainly RC Church) the way of life determined by the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience entered upon by monks, friars, and nuns: to enter religion
5.
something of overwhelming importance to a person: football is his religion
6.
(archaic)
the practice of sacred ritual observances
sacred rites and ceremonies
Word Origin
C12: via Old French from Latin religiō fear of the supernatural, piety, probably from religāre to tie up, from re- + ligāre to bind

Only some of these definitions agree with your definition of "religion" whereas all of them agree with my (atheism excluding) definition of religion.

Your dictatorial-like suggesting of what other people think doesn't work. Nobody knows what other people think... except God, of course. So, in your brazen suggesting that you know what I think, you are essentially suggesting that you are God. Fine attitude for a self-proclaimed atheist.

Of course, when a person looks at the definitions of religion above, from http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t, it is easy to see that atheism falls into the definition.

Since your definition of "atheism" doesn't fit the above definition by your own words "... (atheism excluding) ..." why don't you call what you are saying is atheism according to what it really is? Oh, that's right. You can't. Why not? Atheism is self-defeating. It doesn't exist. Atheism is an oxymoron, if for no other reason than an atheist can't believe that God doesn't exist, because there is too much evidence in science and nature that shows that God exists.

What is an atheist doing if he isn't and really can't be an atheist? He is setting himself up as god, against nature and science. No atheism. Simply lying self worship.

Dictatorial? No. I'm pointing out that your definition is not supported by your link.

There you go again, acting like the definition is my definition. Just because I link to a definition doesn't make it mine. However...

From the definition:

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

Regarding those atheists who adamantly profess their atheism, #6 shows atheism to be a religion. You don't need me to do it. You don't need my definition. It's the standard definition.

Your personal definition of religion does not agree with all the definitions given above.

The more widely accepted defintion of religion agrees with all the definitions given at "Dictionary.com".

This means that using the "dictionary.com" link does not work in your favour.

In order to bolster your argument, you need to post a link where the reverse is true.

[BADecker]

You can have morality and ethics without religion. This is something that many religious people fail to understand!

It's kinda the other way. Everybody has morals and ethics in one form or another, because everybody has religion, even though it may not be one of the formal religions.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t



EDIT: To see that this is true, consider all the people of a particular formal religion. No two people believe their religion in exactly the same way. Usually they formally claim that they accept some doctrine that the leaders proclaim, or that is in some religious books. But because they all understand it differently, there are simply a bunch of people with their own individual religion that happen to go under the name and banner of a particular formal religion.

It's like this with all the people in the world... except that some don't have a religion that is formally stated to be a religion.

Did you even read your link?

religion
[ri-lij-uh n]
Spell  Syllables
Examples Word Origin
See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6.
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7.
religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

Idioms
9.
get religion, Informal.
to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.
to resolve to mend one's errant ways:
The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.


noun
1.
belief in, worship of, or obedience to a supernatural power or powers considered to be divine or to have control of human destiny
2.
any formal or institutionalized expression of such belief: the Christian religion
3.
the attitude and feeling of one who believes in a transcendent controlling power or powers
4.
(mainly RC Church) the way of life determined by the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience entered upon by monks, friars, and nuns: to enter religion
5.
something of overwhelming importance to a person: football is his religion
6.
(archaic)
the practice of sacred ritual observances
sacred rites and ceremonies
Word Origin
C12: via Old French from Latin religiō fear of the supernatural, piety, probably from religāre to tie up, from re- + ligāre to bind

Only some of these definitions agree with your definition of "religion" whereas all of them agree with my (atheism excluding) definition of religion.

Your dictatorial-like suggesting of what other people think doesn't work. Nobody knows what other people think... except God, of course. So, in your brazen suggesting that you know what I think, you are essentially suggesting that you are God. Fine attitude for a self-proclaimed atheist.

Of course, when a person looks at the definitions of religion above, from http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t, it is easy to see that atheism falls into the definition.

Since your definition of "atheism" doesn't fit the above definition by your own words "... (atheism excluding) ..." why don't you call what you are saying is atheism according to what it really is? Oh, that's right. You can't. Why not? Atheism is self-defeating. It doesn't exist. Atheism is an oxymoron, if for no other reason than an atheist can't believe that God doesn't exist, because there is too much evidence in science and nature that shows that God exists.

What is an atheist doing if he isn't and really can't be an atheist? He is setting himself up as god, against nature and science. No atheism. Simply lying self worship.

Dictatorial? No. I'm pointing out that your definition is not supported by your link.

There you go again, acting like the definition is my definition. Just because I link to a definition doesn't make it mine. However...

From the definition:

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

Regarding those atheists who adamantly profess their atheism, #6 shows atheism to be a religion. You don't need me to do it. You don't need my definition. It's the standard definition.

Your personal definition of religion does not agree with all the definitions given above.

The more widely accepted defintion of religion agrees with all the definitions given at "Dictionary.com".

This means that using the "dictionary.com" link does not work in your favour.

In order to bolster your argument, you need to post a link where the reverse is true.

Of course you little bunch of atheists are going to throw out the parts of the religion definition that you don't like, as much as you can.

If I stand up like a god and make a proclamation about definitions, great. I believe in God. When an atheist stands up like a god and makes a proclamation about definitions, he nullifies his atheism. Why? Because he is turning himself into the exact thing that he says doesn't exist, simply by doing the things that a god would do.

Then when in the face of all the nature science evidence proof for the existence of God, the atheist adamantly sets himself up as great god by expressing firmly that God doesn't exist, the atheist squashes himself by what he expresses.

Perhaps you are taking atheism out of the realm of religion. You are moving it into the realm of pure science fiction. Doesn't the weight of your self-nullification even bother you? Of course not! Why would a lie bother the lie?... except that lying about the lie starts to turn it into a truth. Yes! God exists in even the atheists and their atheism.

[xCacheMoney]

What makes me sad, is that instead of talking about bitcoin on the BITCOIN FORUM, they decide to spend their days shitposting and shitposting about atheism and how they are oppressed.
I'm not saying that the religious part of this non-stop ideology war is not at fault, it takes two to tango. But if you added up the useless, redundant posts about the exact same thing, by like three people, mainly af_newbie and Moloch, it would count into the hundreds.
This is from a person who has no religious affiliation, you lot need to get a life.
Start a flame war somewhere else.

[Moloch]

What makes me sad, is that instead of talking about bitcoin on the BITCOIN FORUM, they decide to spend their days shitposting and shitposting about atheism and how they are oppressed.
I'm not saying that the religious part of this non-stop ideology war is not at fault, it takes two to tango. But if you added up the useless, redundant posts about the exact same thing, by like three people, mainly af_newbie and Moloch, it would count into the hundreds.
This is from a person who has no religious affiliation, you lot need to get a life.
Start a flame war somewhere else.

Go fuck yourself

If I was a homosexual or black posting about being repressed, would you still talk shit?

Atheists have been attacked by religious assholes for thousands of years... In many counties it is legal to murder someone simply because they are an atheist!!! I have every right to fight back

Fuck you asshole, this is self-defense!

If you could read the damn OP, you would see this thread was created because of all the Atheist bashing on this forum... simply a response to being attacked, nothing more


The problem with religion is that people went millennia while fearing to talk about it... politics and religion are forbidden to talk about... because the mother fuckers in power realized if you never discuss it, you'll never fix it!

I will not stop bashing religion until it is fucking dead... I will beat this dead horse until I'm certain it's dead and will not come back... fuck you for not helping get rid of this plague called religion...

You can plainly see the world is infected with a cancerous belief system... why won't you help the poor sheeple?

Do NOT crawl up my asscrack, because I'm helping... or at least I'm fucking trying to do something about this mental illness you call religion

I cannot comprehend how anyone could see religion as a good thing... the words in their book are horrible... the morals are awful... it teaches you to believe/obey stupid shit, for stupid reasons, rather than think for yourself... people have murdered their own children in the name of religion!  FUCK THAT! FUCK GOD!!1!!one!

[organofcorti]

You can have morality and ethics without religion. This is something that many religious people fail to understand!

It's kinda the other way. Everybody has morals and ethics in one form or another, because everybody has religion, even though it may not be one of the formal religions.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t



EDIT: To see that this is true, consider all the people of a particular formal religion. No two people believe their religion in exactly the same way. Usually they formally claim that they accept some doctrine that the leaders proclaim, or that is in some religious books. But because they all understand it differently, there are simply a bunch of people with their own individual religion that happen to go under the name and banner of a particular formal religion.

It's like this with all the people in the world... except that some don't have a religion that is formally stated to be a religion.

Did you even read your link?

religion
[ri-lij-uh n]
Spell  Syllables
Examples Word Origin
See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6.
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7.
religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

Idioms
9.
get religion, Informal.
to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.
to resolve to mend one's errant ways:
The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.


noun
1.
belief in, worship of, or obedience to a supernatural power or powers considered to be divine or to have control of human destiny
2.
any formal or institutionalized expression of such belief: the Christian religion
3.
the attitude and feeling of one who believes in a transcendent controlling power or powers
4.
(mainly RC Church) the way of life determined by the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience entered upon by monks, friars, and nuns: to enter religion
5.
something of overwhelming importance to a person: football is his religion
6.
(archaic)
the practice of sacred ritual observances
sacred rites and ceremonies
Word Origin
C12: via Old French from Latin religiō fear of the supernatural, piety, probably from religāre to tie up, from re- + ligāre to bind

Only some of these definitions agree with your definition of "religion" whereas all of them agree with my (atheism excluding) definition of religion.

Your dictatorial-like suggesting of what other people think doesn't work. Nobody knows what other people think... except God, of course. So, in your brazen suggesting that you know what I think, you are essentially suggesting that you are God. Fine attitude for a self-proclaimed atheist.

Of course, when a person looks at the definitions of religion above, from http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t, it is easy to see that atheism falls into the definition.

Since your definition of "atheism" doesn't fit the above definition by your own words "... (atheism excluding) ..." why don't you call what you are saying is atheism according to what it really is? Oh, that's right. You can't. Why not? Atheism is self-defeating. It doesn't exist. Atheism is an oxymoron, if for no other reason than an atheist can't believe that God doesn't exist, because there is too much evidence in science and nature that shows that God exists.

What is an atheist doing if he isn't and really can't be an atheist? He is setting himself up as god, against nature and science. No atheism. Simply lying self worship.

Dictatorial? No. I'm pointing out that your definition is not supported by your link.

There you go again, acting like the definition is my definition. Just because I link to a definition doesn't make it mine. However...

From the definition:

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

Regarding those atheists who adamantly profess their atheism, #6 shows atheism to be a religion. You don't need me to do it. You don't need my definition. It's the standard definition.

Your personal definition of religion does not agree with all the definitions given above.

The more widely accepted defintion of religion agrees with all the definitions given at "Dictionary.com".

This means that using the "dictionary.com" link does not work in your favour.

In order to bolster your argument, you need to post a link where the reverse is true.

Of course you little bunch of atheists are going to throw out the parts of the religion definition that you don't like, as much as you can.

If I stand up like a god and make a proclamation about definitions, great. I believe in God. When an atheist stands up like a god and makes a proclamation about definitions, he nullifies his atheism. Why? Because he is turning himself into the exact thing that he says doesn't exist, simply by doing the things that a god would do.

Then when in the face of all the nature science evidence proof for the existence of God, the atheist adamantly sets himself up as great god by expressing firmly that God doesn't exist, the atheist squashes himself by what he expresses.

Perhaps you are taking atheism out of the realm of religion. You are moving it into the realm of pure science fiction. Doesn't the weight of your self-nullification even bother you? Of course not! Why would a lie bother the lie?... except that lying about the lie starts to turn it into a truth. Yes! God exists in even the atheists and their atheism.

I am not "throwing out the parts of the religion definition". As I said, the usual defintion of religion is absolutely consistent with all of the definitions at Dictionary.com

Your defintion of religion is consistent with only some of the definitions at Dictionary.com

You need to ignore some of the definitions to make your idea of religion work. I do not need to do this, as I've explained clearly and in many different ways.

If you don't get it, you're just wilfully ignoring the obvious.

[designerusa]

Please watch the video before commenting (uploaded today)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hc1NPwXDKQ

these people are totatly insane.. atheism is not a worst thing on  this creepy earth.. people who commented on this topic are delusional and are possible future murderers for sure.. i dont want to live on this earth anymore..

[BADecker]

Please watch the video before commenting (uploaded today)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hc1NPwXDKQ

these people are totatly insane.. atheism is not a worst thing on  this creepy earth.. people who commented on this topic are delusional and are possible future murderers for sure.. i dont want to live on this earth anymore..

No, atheism is not the worst thing on earth. It is, however, one of the stupidest, least well thought out things.

One thing that is worse is the acknowledgement of God, combined with the formal attempt to fight Him. Not only is this worse, but it has to be even more stupid than atheism.

Atheism will send its believer to Hell by default. Fighting God will sent its warriors to Hell by direct action of God.

Anybody has a chance to turn and acknowledge God and the salvation that He offers. But both the atheists and the anti-God warriors are stupid enough that they probably won't turn. If they weren't so stupid, they wouldn't be atheists, or anti-God warriors in the first place.

Some of you anti-God jokers need gingko biloba.

[BADecker]

Of course you little bunch of atheists are going to throw out the parts of the religion definition that you don't like, as much as you can.

If I stand up like a god and make a proclamation about definitions, great. I believe in God. When an atheist stands up like a god and makes a proclamation about definitions, he nullifies his atheism. Why? Because he is turning himself into the exact thing that he says doesn't exist, simply by doing the things that a god would do.

Then when in the face of all the nature science evidence proof for the existence of God, the atheist adamantly sets himself up as great god by expressing firmly that God doesn't exist, the atheist squashes himself by what he expresses.

Perhaps you are taking atheism out of the realm of religion. You are moving it into the realm of pure science fiction. Doesn't the weight of your self-nullification even bother you? Of course not! Why would a lie bother the lie?... except that lying about the lie starts to turn it into a truth. Yes! God exists in even the atheists and their atheism.

I am not "throwing out the parts of the religion definition". As I said, the usual defintion of religion is absolutely consistent with all of the definitions at Dictionary.com

Your defintion of religion is consistent with only some of the definitions at Dictionary.com

You need to ignore some of the definitions to make your idea of religion work. I do not need to do this, as I've explained clearly and in many different ways.

If you don't get it, you're just wilfully ignoring the obvious.

There you go again, claiming to be a mind reader by suggesting what my definition is when I haven't expressed it.

Actually, atheism as a religion matches the whole definition of religion. Why? Because atheists are people. And being people, they have all the parts within themselves that any other people have. Because of this, an atheist grounded in his atheism HAS a religion of atheism going for himself, even if his formal definition of atheism and religion should somehow not match the written definition.

Atheism isn't anything without people/atheists. Atheists are people, and people are religious creatures by nature. In the case of the atheist, his religion happens to be atheism.

[organofcorti]

Of course you little bunch of atheists are going to throw out the parts of the religion definition that you don't like, as much as you can.

If I stand up like a god and make a proclamation about definitions, great. I believe in God. When an atheist stands up like a god and makes a proclamation about definitions, he nullifies his atheism. Why? Because he is turning himself into the exact thing that he says doesn't exist, simply by doing the things that a god would do.

Then when in the face of all the nature science evidence proof for the existence of God, the atheist adamantly sets himself up as great god by expressing firmly that God doesn't exist, the atheist squashes himself by what he expresses.

Perhaps you are taking atheism out of the realm of religion. You are moving it into the realm of pure science fiction. Doesn't the weight of your self-nullification even bother you? Of course not! Why would a lie bother the lie?... except that lying about the lie starts to turn it into a truth. Yes! God exists in even the atheists and their atheism.

I am not "throwing out the parts of the religion definition". As I said, the usual defintion of religion is absolutely consistent with all of the definitions at Dictionary.com

Your defintion of religion is consistent with only some of the definitions at Dictionary.com

You need to ignore some of the definitions to make your idea of religion work. I do not need to do this, as I've explained clearly and in many different ways.

If you don't get it, you're just wilfully ignoring the obvious.

There you go again, claiming to be a mind reader by suggesting what my definition is when I haven't expressed it.

Actually, atheism as a religion matches the whole definition of religion. Why? Because atheists are people. And being people, they have all the parts within themselves that any other people have. Because of this, an atheist grounded in his atheism HAS a religion of atheism going for himself, even if his formal definition of atheism and religion should somehow not match the written definition.

Atheism isn't anything without people/atheists. Atheists are people, and people are religious creatures by nature. In the case of the atheist, his religion happens to be atheism.

Of course you have expressed your defintion of religion -- it's one that includes atheism. In fact, in the next sentence you go on to say that very thing, as you have many time before. You ignore the fact that it contradicts many other defintion of religion, and also contradicts all defintion of atheism.

[JesusHadAegis]

Of course you little bunch of atheists are going to throw out the parts of the religion definition that you don't like, as much as you can.

If I stand up like a god and make a proclamation about definitions, great. I believe in God. When an atheist stands up like a god and makes a proclamation about definitions, he nullifies his atheism. Why? Because he is turning himself into the exact thing that he says doesn't exist, simply by doing the things that a god would do.

Then when in the face of all the nature science evidence proof for the existence of God, the atheist adamantly sets himself up as great god by expressing firmly that God doesn't exist, the atheist squashes himself by what he expresses.

Perhaps you are taking atheism out of the realm of religion. You are moving it into the realm of pure science fiction. Doesn't the weight of your self-nullification even bother you? Of course not! Why would a lie bother the lie?... except that lying about the lie starts to turn it into a truth. Yes! God exists in even the atheists and their atheism.

I am not "throwing out the parts of the religion definition". As I said, the usual defintion of religion is absolutely consistent with all of the definitions at Dictionary.com

Your defintion of religion is consistent with only some of the definitions at Dictionary.com

You need to ignore some of the definitions to make your idea of religion work. I do not need to do this, as I've explained clearly and in many different ways.

If you don't get it, you're just wilfully ignoring the obvious.

There you go again, claiming to be a mind reader by suggesting what my definition is when I haven't expressed it.

Actually, atheism as a religion matches the whole definition of religion. Why? Because atheists are people. And being people, they have all the parts within themselves that any other people have. Because of this, an atheist grounded in his atheism HAS a religion of atheism going for himself, even if his formal definition of atheism and religion should somehow not match the written definition.

Atheism isn't anything without people/atheists. Atheists are people, and people are religious creatures by nature. In the case of the atheist, his religion happens to be atheism.

Of course you have expressed your defintion of religion -- it's one that includes atheism. In fact, in the next sentence you go on to say that very thing, as you have many time before. You ignore the fact that it contradicts many other defintion of religion, and also contradicts all defintion of atheism.

I think baddekker has a point here as an atheist i more ideal in proofs that miracles. Now there is this saying to atheists that "if u cant see your brain then u have no brain?" there's a proof there a brain but u ur self can only see on images. Back to my point i agree that atheist always think high of themselves we tend to belittle some religious people cause they have on hope on something thats not there. And atheist just accept whats gonna happen and Hope someone or some situation is there.

[organofcorti]

Of course you little bunch of atheists are going to throw out the parts of the religion definition that you don't like, as much as you can.

If I stand up like a god and make a proclamation about definitions, great. I believe in God. When an atheist stands up like a god and makes a proclamation about definitions, he nullifies his atheism. Why? Because he is turning himself into the exact thing that he says doesn't exist, simply by doing the things that a god would do.

Then when in the face of all the nature science evidence proof for the existence of God, the atheist adamantly sets himself up as great god by expressing firmly that God doesn't exist, the atheist squashes himself by what he expresses.

Perhaps you are taking atheism out of the realm of religion. You are moving it into the realm of pure science fiction. Doesn't the weight of your self-nullification even bother you? Of course not! Why would a lie bother the lie?... except that lying about the lie starts to turn it into a truth. Yes! God exists in even the atheists and their atheism.

I am not "throwing out the parts of the religion definition". As I said, the usual defintion of religion is absolutely consistent with all of the definitions at Dictionary.com

Your defintion of religion is consistent with only some of the definitions at Dictionary.com

You need to ignore some of the definitions to make your idea of religion work. I do not need to do this, as I've explained clearly and in many different ways.

If you don't get it, you're just wilfully ignoring the obvious.

There you go again, claiming to be a mind reader by suggesting what my definition is when I haven't expressed it.

Actually, atheism as a religion matches the whole definition of religion. Why? Because atheists are people. And being people, they have all the parts within themselves that any other people have. Because of this, an atheist grounded in his atheism HAS a religion of atheism going for himself, even if his formal definition of atheism and religion should somehow not match the written definition.

Atheism isn't anything without people/atheists. Atheists are people, and people are religious creatures by nature. In the case of the atheist, his religion happens to be atheism.

Of course you have expressed your defintion of religion -- it's one that includes atheism. In fact, in the next sentence you go on to say that very thing, as you have many time before. You ignore the fact that it contradicts many other defintion of religion, and also contradicts all defintion of atheism.

I think baddekker has a point here as an atheist i more ideal in proofs that miracles. Now there is this saying to atheists that "if u cant see your brain then u have no brain?" there's a proof there a brain but u ur self can only see on images. Back to my point i agree that atheist always think high of themselves we tend to belittle some religious people cause they have on hope on something thats not there. And atheist just accept whats gonna happen and Hope someone or some situation is there.

When BADecker wants to use definitions and proofs, he or she does. When he/she doesn't, proofs and definitions are ignored.

I don't have any problem with someone making a claim on faith that god exists, but when that person claims to have a proof that god exists or claim to be able to prove that a word means something completely different to the way in which dictionaries define that word, then we are on completely different ground.

[BADecker]

Of course you little bunch of atheists are going to throw out the parts of the religion definition that you don't like, as much as you can.

If I stand up like a god and make a proclamation about definitions, great. I believe in God. When an atheist stands up like a god and makes a proclamation about definitions, he nullifies his atheism. Why? Because he is turning himself into the exact thing that he says doesn't exist, simply by doing the things that a god would do.

Then when in the face of all the nature science evidence proof for the existence of God, the atheist adamantly sets himself up as great god by expressing firmly that God doesn't exist, the atheist squashes himself by what he expresses.

Perhaps you are taking atheism out of the realm of religion. You are moving it into the realm of pure science fiction. Doesn't the weight of your self-nullification even bother you? Of course not! Why would a lie bother the lie?... except that lying about the lie starts to turn it into a truth. Yes! God exists in even the atheists and their atheism.

I am not "throwing out the parts of the religion definition". As I said, the usual defintion of religion is absolutely consistent with all of the definitions at Dictionary.com

Your defintion of religion is consistent with only some of the definitions at Dictionary.com

You need to ignore some of the definitions to make your idea of religion work. I do not need to do this, as I've explained clearly and in many different ways.

If you don't get it, you're just wilfully ignoring the obvious.

There you go again, claiming to be a mind reader by suggesting what my definition is when I haven't expressed it.

Actually, atheism as a religion matches the whole definition of religion. Why? Because atheists are people. And being people, they have all the parts within themselves that any other people have. Because of this, an atheist grounded in his atheism HAS a religion of atheism going for himself, even if his formal definition of atheism and religion should somehow not match the written definition.

Atheism isn't anything without people/atheists. Atheists are people, and people are religious creatures by nature. In the case of the atheist, his religion happens to be atheism.

Of course you have expressed your defintion of religion -- it's one that includes atheism. In fact, in the next sentence you go on to say that very thing, as you have many time before. You ignore the fact that it contradicts many other defintion of religion, and also contradicts all defintion of atheism.

Just because you state that the definition of religion doesn't include atheism, doesn't mean that it doesn't. However, all kinds of people believe all kinds of things. So, you are certainly welcome to continue on with your belief, whatever it might be.

Since there are many people who show how the definition of religion fits atheism (simply Google "atheism religion"), and since it is basically only the atheists who are adamantly against this idea, atheism is definitely a religion of the atheists.

[BADecker]

Of course you little bunch of atheists are going to throw out the parts of the religion definition that you don't like, as much as you can.

If I stand up like a god and make a proclamation about definitions, great. I believe in God. When an atheist stands up like a god and makes a proclamation about definitions, he nullifies his atheism. Why? Because he is turning himself into the exact thing that he says doesn't exist, simply by doing the things that a god would do.

Then when in the face of all the nature science evidence proof for the existence of God, the atheist adamantly sets himself up as great god by expressing firmly that God doesn't exist, the atheist squashes himself by what he expresses.

Perhaps you are taking atheism out of the realm of religion. You are moving it into the realm of pure science fiction. Doesn't the weight of your self-nullification even bother you? Of course not! Why would a lie bother the lie?... except that lying about the lie starts to turn it into a truth. Yes! God exists in even the atheists and their atheism.

I am not "throwing out the parts of the religion definition". As I said, the usual defintion of religion is absolutely consistent with all of the definitions at Dictionary.com

Your defintion of religion is consistent with only some of the definitions at Dictionary.com

You need to ignore some of the definitions to make your idea of religion work. I do not need to do this, as I've explained clearly and in many different ways.

If you don't get it, you're just wilfully ignoring the obvious.

There you go again, claiming to be a mind reader by suggesting what my definition is when I haven't expressed it.

Actually, atheism as a religion matches the whole definition of religion. Why? Because atheists are people. And being people, they have all the parts within themselves that any other people have. Because of this, an atheist grounded in his atheism HAS a religion of atheism going for himself, even if his formal definition of atheism and religion should somehow not match the written definition.

Atheism isn't anything without people/atheists. Atheists are people, and people are religious creatures by nature. In the case of the atheist, his religion happens to be atheism.

Of course you have expressed your defintion of religion -- it's one that includes atheism. In fact, in the next sentence you go on to say that very thing, as you have many time before. You ignore the fact that it contradicts many other defintion of religion, and also contradicts all defintion of atheism.

I think baddekker has a point here as an atheist i more ideal in proofs that miracles. Now there is this saying to atheists that "if u cant see your brain then u have no brain?" there's a proof there a brain but u ur self can only see on images. Back to my point i agree that atheist always think high of themselves we tend to belittle some religious people cause they have on hope on something thats not there. And atheist just accept whats gonna happen and Hope someone or some situation is there.

When BADecker wants to use definitions and proofs, he or she does. When he/she doesn't, proofs and definitions are ignored.

I don't have any problem with someone making a claim on faith that god exists, but when that person claims to have a proof that god exists or claim to be able to prove that a word means something completely different to the way in which dictionaries define that word, then we are on completely different ground.

Since you haven't refuted the scientific proof that God exists, yet seem to be making the adamant claim that the scientific proof isn't there, you prove that you have a religion going for yourself, simply by your belief.

I could be wrong, of course. I have no real evidence you are human. And if you are not human, maybe you don't need religion like all the humans do.

[Moloch]

Since you haven't refuted the scientific proof that God exists

You have not provided any proof

The definition of proof is that is must convince someone once presented to them... you have not done any such thing

If you cannot present your argument, and convince the majority of people who read it... you have not proven anything