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February 25, 2016, 12:08:03 AM
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The only time hate speech hurts anyone is when it is so loud that the vibration of it blows out their ears.

The hate speech thing is a political ploy.

If they holler, "Hate speech," at you, ignore them. They haven't been damaged. If they come after you with physical violence, file a claim because they wronged you by damaging your property, your body.

If they take you to court by claim, require them to show the real damage.

If they or government take you to court by complaint, file a claim right in and on top of their complaint, requiring them to show the real damage.

You can make money doing this. When they can't show any real damage, you can file for damages; actually, you should be doing this right in your claim.

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February 25, 2016, 02:46:18 AM
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I don't like it when someone calls me something mean but I believe in their right to do so. I believe it is their free speech. I am not going to boycott his business or anything of that sort.

Of course, it is wrong, when someone makes racist statements, but what they are, are just words.

If you ask me, if anything should be banned, it is the thuggery of businesses interfering in domestic issues. There should be a separation of business and state.

Even pornography and video games are protected as free-speech.

Hate is one of the emotions of human beings like love.

Repressing it through legislative actions are just trying to repress one of the basic human emotions.

Words don't physically hurt people.

I tend to believe that hate speech is a part of free speech.

Now, the definition of hate speech is very broad, after a few years, it might be offensive to even say "He' or "She"

Or zhe or hir. That always cracks me up.

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February 25, 2016, 03:26:55 AM
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I don't like it when someone calls me something mean but I believe in their right to do so. I believe it is their free speech. I am not going to boycott his business or anything of that sort.

Of course, it is wrong, when someone makes racist statements, but what they are, are just words.

If you ask me, if anything should be banned, it is the thuggery of businesses interfering in domestic issues. There should be a separation of business and state.

Even pornography and video games are protected as free-speech.

Hate is one of the emotions of human beings like love.

Repressing it through legislative actions are just trying to repress one of the basic human emotions.

Words don't physically hurt people.

I tend to believe that hate speech is a part of free speech.

Now, the definition of hate speech is very broad, after a few years, it might be offensive to even say "He' or "She"

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Sounds to me like you are burning out from political correctness and not hate speech freedom. Cheesy

Words are words like you state in a following post but they become something else once acted on. The step in between is very quick and when you are dealing with a uneducated or less than full brain,you will easily manipulate with the energy you bring to the discussion. Might have misheard it today on the news but Trump thanked dumb people for helping him win.
Since most people are unable to act in a civil way we need guidelines like this to protect us from group thinking that may cause a unpleasant side effect.

A classic example is what is going on in the Middle East as we type away. We have a hijacked religion that is spouting hatred for everything that is not in the Koran. Problem being that when you look at the highest area in the world for illiteracy its right there. Iran being a exception to the rules but for the most part reading is not like other areas. So we have people following a book they can not read and killing anything in opposition.
Manipulation of uneducated people is through words,not through the pen. Pen is the next step on the pyramid.. Wink

So I do disagree with this angle and I have found it to be one used by white power movements a lot on the net. Its really a tactic to confuse and murk the waters.

I am not an American. You either believe in free speech or you don't.

This is what Trump said actually

and it was in context of describing how diverse his base is.

"We won the Evangelicals," Trump said. "We won with young. We won with old. We won with highly educated. We won with poorly educated," he continued, "I love the poorly educated! They are the smartest people, the most loyal people."

The media was ridiculing Trump supporters as only less educated and he was defending the people and siding with you people and implying that people from various background vote for him and not less the so-called 'uneducated'

Now, they have taken it out of context again when they are the ones who started calling the people 'uneducated'

Full video with context https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdA4ru5Z1aI

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February 25, 2016, 03:47:40 AM
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I don't like it when someone calls me something mean but I believe in their right to do so. I believe it is their free speech. I am not going to boycott his business or anything of that sort.

Of course, it is wrong, when someone makes racist statements, but what they are, are just words.

If you ask me, if anything should be banned, it is the thuggery of businesses interfering in domestic issues. There should be a separation of business and state.

Even pornography and video games are protected as free-speech.

Hate is one of the emotions of human beings like love.

Repressing it through legislative actions are just trying to repress one of the basic human emotions.

Words don't physically hurt people.

I tend to believe that hate speech is a part of free speech.

Now, the definition of hate speech is very broad, after a few years, it might be offensive to even say "He' or "She"

Pooping is one of the basic human rights. It doesn't mean I want to see people pooping in the street.

Keep your hate speech -- and your pooping -- to yourself.


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February 25, 2016, 08:48:07 AM
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If you don't believe in free speech, why are you telling us that you believe this way?

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February 25, 2016, 11:29:31 AM
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I don't like it when someone calls me something mean but I believe in their right to do so. I believe it is their free speech. I am not going to boycott his business or anything of that sort.

Of course, it is wrong, when someone makes racist statements, but what they are, are just words.

If you ask me, if anything should be banned, it is the thuggery of businesses interfering in domestic issues. There should be a separation of business and state.

Even pornography and video games are protected as free-speech.

Hate is one of the emotions of human beings like love.

Repressing it through legislative actions are just trying to repress one of the basic human emotions.

Words don't physically hurt people.

I tend to believe that hate speech is a part of free speech.

Now, the definition of hate speech is very broad, after a few years, it might be offensive to even say "He' or "She"

Pooping is one of the basic human rights. It doesn't mean I want to see people pooping in the street.

Keep your hate speech -- and your pooping -- to yourself.



Two entirely different things. There are places were people can poop that they don't have to in the street unless they have diarrhea or something.
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February 25, 2016, 11:31:16 AM
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Of course, it is free speech, but free speech is a lost cause in most of Europe. The US is the last big country where free speech is allowed. In France, some people have been sent to jail for spreading terrorist ideas. In the UK, supposedly a free country, one guy has been sent to jail for offensive tweets. Same thing in Germany for glorifying the third Reich.


But isn't it normal to send people to jail for supporting terrorism?
If I go out and yell "I want to fuck children, next week I gonna go to a random school and rape a whole class!" wouldn't you find normal to send me to jail?

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February 25, 2016, 11:33:16 AM
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I don't like it when someone calls me something mean but I believe in their right to do so. I believe it is their free speech. I am not going to boycott his business or anything of that sort.

Of course, it is wrong, when someone makes racist statements, but what they are, are just words.

If you ask me, if anything should be banned, it is the thuggery of businesses interfering in domestic issues. There should be a separation of business and state.

Even pornography and video games are protected as free-speech.

Hate is one of the emotions of human beings like love.

Repressing it through legislative actions are just trying to repress one of the basic human emotions.

Words don't physically hurt people.

I tend to believe that hate speech is a part of free speech.

Now, the definition of hate speech is very broad, after a few years, it might be offensive to even say "He' or "She"

Pooping is one of the basic human rights. It doesn't mean I want to see people pooping in the street.

Keep your hate speech -- and your pooping -- to yourself.



Two entirely different things. There are places were people can poop that they don't have to in the street unless they have diarrhea or something.

Well... Not so much differents in fact...
I don't feel like it's normal to have the right to go out with a nazi uniform and yelling at people in the street that homos should be cut in little dices then burnt...

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February 25, 2016, 11:39:05 AM
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I don't like it when someone calls me something mean but I believe in their right to do so. I believe it is their free speech. I am not going to boycott his business or anything of that sort.

Of course, it is wrong, when someone makes racist statements, but what they are, are just words.

If you ask me, if anything should be banned, it is the thuggery of businesses interfering in domestic issues. There should be a separation of business and state.

Even pornography and video games are protected as free-speech.

Hate is one of the emotions of human beings like love.

Repressing it through legislative actions are just trying to repress one of the basic human emotions.

Words don't physically hurt people.

I tend to believe that hate speech is a part of free speech.

Now, the definition of hate speech is very broad, after a few years, it might be offensive to even say "He' or "She"

Pooping is one of the basic human rights. It doesn't mean I want to see people pooping in the street.

Keep your hate speech -- and your pooping -- to yourself.



Two entirely different things. There are places were people can poop that they don't have to in the street unless they have diarrhea or something.

Then people should only be speak hate in toilets then? If they did, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. Actually, the thought of someone in a public toilet telling me that all INSERT MINORITY NAME HERE should die is a bit creepy.

So let me rephrase: I'm fine with people being bigots and racists as long as they only involve the same audience that they have for their poops.


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February 25, 2016, 11:49:01 AM
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I don't like it when someone calls me something mean but I believe in their right to do so. I believe it is their free speech. I am not going to boycott his business or anything of that sort.

Of course, it is wrong, when someone makes racist statements, but what they are, are just words.

If you ask me, if anything should be banned, it is the thuggery of businesses interfering in domestic issues. There should be a separation of business and state.

Even pornography and video games are protected as free-speech.

Hate is one of the emotions of human beings like love.

Repressing it through legislative actions are just trying to repress one of the basic human emotions.

Words don't physically hurt people.

I tend to believe that hate speech is a part of free speech.

Now, the definition of hate speech is very broad, after a few years, it might be offensive to even say "He' or "She"

Pooping is one of the basic human rights. It doesn't mean I want to see people pooping in the street.

Keep your hate speech -- and your pooping -- to yourself.



Two entirely different things. There are places were people can poop that they don't have to in the street unless they have diarrhea or something.

Then people should only be speak hate in toilets then? If they did, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. Actually, the thought of someone in a public toilet telling me that all INSERT MINORITY NAME HERE should die Is a bit creepy.

So let me rephrase: I'm fine with people being bigots and racists as long as they only involve the same audience that they have for their poops.



As the proverb says:

Having a religious belief is like having a dick. It's fine to have one, but you shouldn't display it in public and you mustn't shove it down your children throat!

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February 25, 2016, 12:16:16 PM
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I don't like it when someone calls me something mean but I believe in their right to do so. I believe it is their free speech. I am not going to boycott his business or anything of that sort.

Of course, it is wrong, when someone makes racist statements, but what they are, are just words.

If you ask me, if anything should be banned, it is the thuggery of businesses interfering in domestic issues. There should be a separation of business and state.

Even pornography and video games are protected as free-speech.

Hate is one of the emotions of human beings like love.

Repressing it through legislative actions are just trying to repress one of the basic human emotions.

Words don't physically hurt people.

I tend to believe that hate speech is a part of free speech.

Now, the definition of hate speech is very broad, after a few years, it might be offensive to even say "He' or "She"

Pooping is one of the basic human rights. It doesn't mean I want to see people pooping in the street.

Keep your hate speech -- and your pooping -- to yourself.



Two entirely different things. There are places were people can poop that they don't have to in the street unless they have diarrhea or something.

Then people should only be speak hate in toilets then? If they did, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. Actually, the thought of someone in a public toilet telling me that all INSERT MINORITY NAME HERE should die is a bit creepy.

So let me rephrase: I'm fine with people being bigots and racists as long as they only involve the same audience that they have for their poops.



If that is true, then you are 'probably' just a self-conceited little fascist who is pretending for be for human rights and defending the minorities but your objective is to classify everything you disagree with as hate speech and shut down the conversation, basically a control freak. Maybe you haven't realized it yet.

Maybe there should be more 'safe-spaces' in public.

http://dailysignal.com/2015/12/01/college-president-tells-students-to-grow-up-because-campus-not-meant-to-be-safe-space/
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February 25, 2016, 12:20:47 PM
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I don't like it when someone calls me something mean but I believe in their right to do so. I believe it is their free speech. I am not going to boycott his business or anything of that sort.

Of course, it is wrong, when someone makes racist statements, but what they are, are just words.

If you ask me, if anything should be banned, it is the thuggery of businesses interfering in domestic issues. There should be a separation of business and state.

Even pornography and video games are protected as free-speech.

Hate is one of the emotions of human beings like love.

Repressing it through legislative actions are just trying to repress one of the basic human emotions.

Words don't physically hurt people.

I tend to believe that hate speech is a part of free speech.

Now, the definition of hate speech is very broad, after a few years, it might be offensive to even say "He' or "She"

Pooping is one of the basic human rights. It doesn't mean I want to see people pooping in the street.

Keep your hate speech -- and your pooping -- to yourself.



Two entirely different things. There are places were people can poop that they don't have to in the street unless they have diarrhea or something.

Then people should only be speak hate in toilets then? If they did, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. Actually, the thought of someone in a public toilet telling me that all INSERT MINORITY NAME HERE should die is a bit creepy.

So let me rephrase: I'm fine with people being bigots and racists as long as they only involve the same audience that they have for their poops.



If that is true, then you are just a self-conceited little fascist who is pretending for be for human rights and defending the minorities but your objective is to classify everything you disagree with as hate speech and shut down the conversation, basically a control freak.

Maybe there should be more 'safe-spaces' in public.

http://dailysignal.com/2015/12/01/college-president-tells-students-to-grow-up-because-campus-not-meant-to-be-safe-space/

No, I only classify "hate speech" as the sort of speech that is designed to incite violence against minorities. If you think that's ok -- if that's the sort of conversation you have -- then calling me a fascist is the pot calling the kettle black.


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February 25, 2016, 12:37:55 PM
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I don't like it when someone calls me something mean but I believe in their right to do so. I believe it is their free speech. I am not going to boycott his business or anything of that sort.

Of course, it is wrong, when someone makes racist statements, but what they are, are just words.

If you ask me, if anything should be banned, it is the thuggery of businesses interfering in domestic issues. There should be a separation of business and state.

Even pornography and video games are protected as free-speech.

Hate is one of the emotions of human beings like love.

Repressing it through legislative actions are just trying to repress one of the basic human emotions.

Words don't physically hurt people.

I tend to believe that hate speech is a part of free speech.

Now, the definition of hate speech is very broad, after a few years, it might be offensive to even say "He' or "She"

Pooping is one of the basic human rights. It doesn't mean I want to see people pooping in the street.

Keep your hate speech -- and your pooping -- to yourself.



Two entirely different things. There are places were people can poop that they don't have to in the street unless they have diarrhea or something.

Then people should only be speak hate in toilets then? If they did, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. Actually, the thought of someone in a public toilet telling me that all INSERT MINORITY NAME HERE should die is a bit creepy.

So let me rephrase: I'm fine with people being bigots and racists as long as they only involve the same audience that they have for their poops.



If that is true, then you are just a self-conceited little fascist who is pretending for be for human rights and defending the minorities but your objective is to classify everything you disagree with as hate speech and shut down the conversation, basically a control freak.

Maybe there should be more 'safe-spaces' in public.

http://dailysignal.com/2015/12/01/college-president-tells-students-to-grow-up-because-campus-not-meant-to-be-safe-space/

No, I only classify "hate speech" as the sort of speech that is designed to incite violence against minorities. If you think that's ok -- if that's the sort of conversation you have -- then calling me a fascist is the pot calling the kettle black.



Question arises, who is the arbiter of what is hate speech and what is not. If it is the government via legislative actions, they will eventually widen the term and add a lot of things as hate speech.

People are entitled to their opinions even if it something which is disagreeable. Throughout history, from Galileo, it was a hate speech to say something that contradicted the views of those times and shook the majority of views.

What if it was flipped around and it was your opinions that was hate speech and not the other way around?

Hate speech is just orwellian code name to control opposite views.

I can never be the pot or the kettle, I believe in your free speech.
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February 25, 2016, 12:52:41 PM
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I don't like it when someone calls me something mean but I believe in their right to do so. I believe it is their free speech. I am not going to boycott his business or anything of that sort.

Of course, it is wrong, when someone makes racist statements, but what they are, are just words.

If you ask me, if anything should be banned, it is the thuggery of businesses interfering in domestic issues. There should be a separation of business and state.

Even pornography and video games are protected as free-speech.

Hate is one of the emotions of human beings like love.

Repressing it through legislative actions are just trying to repress one of the basic human emotions.

Words don't physically hurt people.

I tend to believe that hate speech is a part of free speech.

Now, the definition of hate speech is very broad, after a few years, it might be offensive to even say "He' or "She"

Pooping is one of the basic human rights. It doesn't mean I want to see people pooping in the street.

Keep your hate speech -- and your pooping -- to yourself.



Two entirely different things. There are places were people can poop that they don't have to in the street unless they have diarrhea or something.

Then people should only be speak hate in toilets then? If they did, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. Actually, the thought of someone in a public toilet telling me that all INSERT MINORITY NAME HERE should die is a bit creepy.

So let me rephrase: I'm fine with people being bigots and racists as long as they only involve the same audience that they have for their poops.



If that is true, then you are just a self-conceited little fascist who is pretending for be for human rights and defending the minorities but your objective is to classify everything you disagree with as hate speech and shut down the conversation, basically a control freak.

Maybe there should be more 'safe-spaces' in public.

http://dailysignal.com/2015/12/01/college-president-tells-students-to-grow-up-because-campus-not-meant-to-be-safe-space/

No, I only classify "hate speech" as the sort of speech that is designed to incite violence against minorities. If you think that's ok -- if that's the sort of conversation you have -- then calling me a fascist is the pot calling the kettle black.



Question arises, who is the arbiter of what is hate speech and what is not. If it is the government via legislative actions, they will eventually widen the term and add a lot of things as hate speech.

People are entitled to their opinions even if it something which is disagreeable. Throughout history, from Galileo, it was a hate speech to say something that contradicted the views of those times and shook the majority of views.

What if it was flipped around and it was your opinions that was hate speech and not the other way around?

Hate speech is just orwellian code name to control opposite views.

I can never be the pot or the kettle, I believe in your free speech.

The difference between "opinion" and "inciting people to murder" is vast. If you like I'll only refer to "hate speech" as "murder speech".





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February 25, 2016, 01:01:45 PM
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I'm for free speech. I want to know what people I interact with think. Who to call friend and who to stay away from.
If a shop owner want to exclude people minority's from his shop I want to know about it so I can avoid doing my shopping there
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Interesting how people only agree with free speech, not because the people have a right to it but because they want to know what other people think.

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I'm for free speech. I want to know what people I interact with think. Who to call friend and who to stay away from.
If a shop owner want to exclude people minority's from his shop I want to know about it so I can avoid doing my shopping there

I understand your way but you can't really consider normal global segregation.
If you allow a shop owner to forbid access of his shop to blacks, then it means the white racists people will only go out and talk with white racist pricks... It won't help them to understand things :-/
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February 25, 2016, 01:18:05 PM
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Interesting how people only agree with free speech, not because the people have a right to it but because they want to know what other people think.

Maybe I phrased it wrong. Yes I think they have the right to say what they want, just like I have the right to stay away from people that say things I don't like
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February 25, 2016, 01:20:22 PM
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I don't like it when someone calls me something mean but I believe in their right to do so. I believe it is their free speech. I am not going to boycott his business or anything of that sort.

Of course, it is wrong, when someone makes racist statements, but what they are, are just words.

If you ask me, if anything should be banned, it is the thuggery of businesses interfering in domestic issues. There should be a separation of business and state.

Even pornography and video games are protected as free-speech.

Hate is one of the emotions of human beings like love.

Repressing it through legislative actions are just trying to repress one of the basic human emotions.

Words don't physically hurt people.

I tend to believe that hate speech is a part of free speech.

Now, the definition of hate speech is very broad, after a few years, it might be offensive to even say "He' or "She"

Pooping is one of the basic human rights. It doesn't mean I want to see people pooping in the street.

Keep your hate speech -- and your pooping -- to yourself.



Two entirely different things. There are places were people can poop that they don't have to in the street unless they have diarrhea or something.

Then people should only be speak hate in toilets then? If they did, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. Actually, the thought of someone in a public toilet telling me that all INSERT MINORITY NAME HERE should die is a bit creepy.

So let me rephrase: I'm fine with people being bigots and racists as long as they only involve the same audience that they have for their poops.



If that is true, then you are just a self-conceited little fascist who is pretending for be for human rights and defending the minorities but your objective is to classify everything you disagree with as hate speech and shut down the conversation, basically a control freak.

Maybe there should be more 'safe-spaces' in public.

http://dailysignal.com/2015/12/01/college-president-tells-students-to-grow-up-because-campus-not-meant-to-be-safe-space/

No, I only classify "hate speech" as the sort of speech that is designed to incite violence against minorities. If you think that's ok -- if that's the sort of conversation you have -- then calling me a fascist is the pot calling the kettle black.



Question arises, who is the arbiter of what is hate speech and what is not. If it is the government via legislative actions, they will eventually widen the term and add a lot of things as hate speech.

People are entitled to their opinions even if it something which is disagreeable. Throughout history, from Galileo, it was a hate speech to say something that contradicted the views of those times and shook the majority of views.

What if it was flipped around and it was your opinions that was hate speech and not the other way around?

Hate speech is just orwellian code name to control opposite views.

I can never be the pot or the kettle, I believe in your free speech.

The difference between "opinion" and "inciting people to murder" is vast. If you like I'll only refer to "hate speech" as "murder speech".






Not so vast. We had some problem with a humorist who was clearly on the grey area here...
If I say "gays should be killed" it's easy to classify.
But if I'm a humorist, and I take a character who says "but gays should be killed, after all it's like a disease, and the horrible thing is that the more they are, the more they spread the disease" then what do you do?
It can be considered as humour yeah... But if the said humorist has some relationships with far right religious movements... And you know he's against gays... What do you do?
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February 25, 2016, 01:30:01 PM
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I don't like it when someone calls me something mean but I believe in their right to do so. I believe it is their free speech. I am not going to boycott his business or anything of that sort.

Of course, it is wrong, when someone makes racist statements, but what they are, are just words.

If you ask me, if anything should be banned, it is the thuggery of businesses interfering in domestic issues. There should be a separation of business and state.

Even pornography and video games are protected as free-speech.

Hate is one of the emotions of human beings like love.

Repressing it through legislative actions are just trying to repress one of the basic human emotions.

Words don't physically hurt people.

I tend to believe that hate speech is a part of free speech.

Now, the definition of hate speech is very broad, after a few years, it might be offensive to even say "He' or "She"

Pooping is one of the basic human rights. It doesn't mean I want to see people pooping in the street.

Keep your hate speech -- and your pooping -- to yourself.



Two entirely different things. There are places were people can poop that they don't have to in the street unless they have diarrhea or something.

Then people should only be speak hate in toilets then? If they did, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. Actually, the thought of someone in a public toilet telling me that all INSERT MINORITY NAME HERE should die is a bit creepy.

So let me rephrase: I'm fine with people being bigots and racists as long as they only involve the same audience that they have for their poops.



If that is true, then you are just a self-conceited little fascist who is pretending for be for human rights and defending the minorities but your objective is to classify everything you disagree with as hate speech and shut down the conversation, basically a control freak.

Maybe there should be more 'safe-spaces' in public.

http://dailysignal.com/2015/12/01/college-president-tells-students-to-grow-up-because-campus-not-meant-to-be-safe-space/

No, I only classify "hate speech" as the sort of speech that is designed to incite violence against minorities. If you think that's ok -- if that's the sort of conversation you have -- then calling me a fascist is the pot calling the kettle black.



Question arises, who is the arbiter of what is hate speech and what is not. If it is the government via legislative actions, they will eventually widen the term and add a lot of things as hate speech.

People are entitled to their opinions even if it something which is disagreeable. Throughout history, from Galileo, it was a hate speech to say something that contradicted the views of those times and shook the majority of views.

What if it was flipped around and it was your opinions that was hate speech and not the other way around?

Hate speech is just orwellian code name to control opposite views.

I can never be the pot or the kettle, I believe in your free speech.

The difference between "opinion" and "inciting people to murder" is vast. If you like I'll only refer to "hate speech" as "murder speech".


Not so vast. We had some problem with a humorist who was clearly on the grey area here...
If I say "gays should be killed" it's easy to classify.
But if I'm a humorist, and I take a character who says "but gays should be killed, after all it's like a disease, and the horrible thing is that the more they are, the more they spread the disease" then what do you do?
It can be considered as humour yeah... But if the said humorist has some relationships with far right religious movements... And you know he's against gays... What do you do?

I'm not sure how that's humorous. It still sounds like it's someone trying to get someone else to kill members of another group.

Change "gays" to "americans". You still ok with that? Should ISIS be allowed to peddle their propaganda in your streets?

Edit: TBH I don't care about the legality of the thing, more the morality.

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