Video: Atlas, The Next Generation Robot

[Elwar]

For the luddites, an excerpt from a fun little book that makes a good point:

Just as he lost sight of the beach and was deep in the jungle,
he heard a sharp scream. He stopped, cocked his head, and tried
to locate the source of the sound. Directly ahead, he heard another
shrill cry for help. Pushing up an incline and through a mass of
branches and vines, he clawed his way forward and stumbled onto
a wider path.
As he rounded a sharp bend in the trail, Jonathan ran full tilt into
the side of a burly man. “Out of my way, chump!” bellowed the
man, brushing him aside like a gnat. Dazed, Jonathan looked up and
saw two men dragging a young woman, kicking and yelling, down
the trail. By the time he caught his breath, the trio had disappeared.
Certain that he couldn’t free the woman alone, Jonathan ran back up
the trail looking for help.
A clearing opened and he saw a group of people gathered around
a big tree – beating it with sticks. Jonathan ran up and grabbed the
arm of a man who was obviously the supervisor. “Please sir, help!”
gasped Jonathan. “Two men have captured a woman and she needs
help!”
“Don’t be alarmed,” the man said gruffl y. “She’s under arrest.
Forget her and move along, we’ve got work to do.”
“Arrest?” said Jonathan, still huffi ng. “She didn’t look like, uh,
like a criminal.” Jonathan wondered, if she was guilty, why did
she cry so desperately for help? “Pardon me, sir, but what was her
crime?”
“Huh?” snorted the man with irritation. “Well, if you must know,
she threatened the jobs of everyone working here.”
Chapter 2 • Troublemakers
6
“She threatened people’s jobs? How did she do that?” asked
Jonathan.
Glaring down at his ignorant questioner, the supervisor motioned
for Jonathan to come over to a tree where workers busily pounded
away at the trunk. Proudly, he said, “We are tree workers. We knock
down trees for wood by beating them with these sticks. Sometimes
a  hundred  people,  working  round-the-clock,  can  knock  down  a
good-sized tree in less than a month.” The man pursed his lips and
carefully brushed a speck of dirt from the sleeve of his handsomely
cut coat.
He  continued,  “That  Drawbaugh  woman  came  to  work  this
morning with a sharp piece of metal attached to the end of her stick.
She cut down a tree in less than an hour – all by herself! Think of
it! Such an outrageous threat to our traditional employment had to
be stopped.”
Jonathan’s eyes widened, aghast to hear that this woman was
punished for her creativity. Back home, everyone used axes and
saws for cutting trees. That’s how he got the wood for his own
boat. “But her invention,” exclaimed Jonathan, “allows people of all
sizes and strengths to cut down trees. Won’t that make it faster and
cheaper to get wood and make things?”
“What do you mean?” the man said angrily. “How could anyone
encourage an idea like that? This noble work can’t be done by any
weakling who comes along with some new idea.”
“But sir,” said Jonathan, trying not to offend, “these good tree
workers have talented hands and brains. They could use the time
saved from knocking down trees to do other things. They could
make tables, cabinets, boats, or even houses!”
“Listen, you,” the man said with a menacing look, “the purpose
of work is to have full and secure employment – not new products.”
The tone of his voice turned ugly. “You sound like some kind of
troublemaker. Anyone who supports that infernal woman is trouble.
Where are you from?”
Chapter 2 • Troublemakers
7
Jonathan replied anxiously, “I don’t even know Miss Drawbaugh
and I don’t mean any trouble, sir. I’m sure you’re right. Well, I
must be going.” With that, Jonathan turned back the way he came,
hurrying down the path.

http://www.jonathangullible.com/translations/UK_Comnt040222.pdf

[Elwar]

Today´s worker basically wipes the asses of other people. Once robots can do that humans soon won´t be needed in the entire service industry. Manufacturing gone, services gone, what then?

Ever seen Star Trek or any futuristic show?

People do a lot of cool things. Things that are accomplished because they spend less time wiping people's butts and more time thinking up cool things to do. And with robots...they can do them.

Star trek or any futuristic show? We´re talking the next 20-30 years tops here. Manufacturing, services gone, what´ll be left for humans to do? Cool things? It´ll have to be entire cool industries. Inventing new jobs won´t do.

One industry will be...robot industry.

And this industry will create enough jobs to replace the ones it destroyed?

I don't think so...

Not just that one industry but all of the industries that pop up because of the cheap manufactured goods.

Look at Hong Kong, they have zero manufacturing but are a vibrant economy.

Correcton:
Look at Honk Kong and Switzerland and Luxembourg and Ireland they have zero manufacturing but are a vibrant economy as they're actually the 4 places in the world companies send money to in order to avoid taxes.

They are not very good places for sending money to avoid taxes. Especially Switzerland.

Places like Turks & Caicos, the Cayman Islands, Belize, the Bahamas and a few others are the best places for that. Ireland is pretty decent though.

[craked5]

Today´s worker basically wipes the asses of other people. Once robots can do that humans soon won´t be needed in the entire service industry. Manufacturing gone, services gone, what then?

Ever seen Star Trek or any futuristic show?

People do a lot of cool things. Things that are accomplished because they spend less time wiping people's butts and more time thinking up cool things to do. And with robots...they can do them.

Star trek or any futuristic show? We´re talking the next 20-30 years tops here. Manufacturing, services gone, what´ll be left for humans to do? Cool things? It´ll have to be entire cool industries. Inventing new jobs won´t do.

One industry will be...robot industry.

And this industry will create enough jobs to replace the ones it destroyed?

I don't think so...

Not just that one industry but all of the industries that pop up because of the cheap manufactured goods.

Look at Hong Kong, they have zero manufacturing but are a vibrant economy.

Correcton:
Look at Honk Kong and Switzerland and Luxembourg and Ireland they have zero manufacturing but are a vibrant economy as they're actually the 4 places in the world companies send money to in order to avoid taxes.

They are not very good places for sending money to avoid taxes. Especially Switzerland.

Places like Turks & Caicos, the Cayman Islands, Belize, the Bahamas and a few others are the best places for that. Ireland is pretty decent though.

No because those places are well know from the people, hence governments had no choice but to act against them and they're much more followed.
Whereas sending money to Luxembourg or Ireland is incredibly easy if you're from EU and Switzerland and Honk Kong are the most famous place to officially start your society without paying any tax. Though I agree on the fact that Switzerland is starting to do less and less but they still recover most personnal money of tax avoider of Europe. See the recent French cases.

[galdur]

So, when machines with AI compete with humans for jobs what will humans do? When jobs both in manufacturing and services are gone, what then?

[eon89]

So, when machines with AI compete with humans for jobs what will humans do? When jobs both in manufacturing and services are gone, what then?

I think they won't "compete"  with us but rather work for us. Help us have a better life. After all - they're machines.

[galdur]

So, when machines with AI compete with humans for jobs what will humans do? When jobs both in manufacturing and services are gone, what then?

I think they won't "compete"  with us but rather work for us. Help us have a better life. After all - they're machines.

So you figure that corporations that use those machines to get rid of you will somehow give a flying eff about you. And how are their machines going to work for you anyway?

[eon89]

So, when machines with AI compete with humans for jobs what will humans do? When jobs both in manufacturing and services are gone, what then?

I think they won't "compete"  with us but rather work for us. Help us have a better life. After all - they're machines.

So you figure that corporations that use those machines to get rid of you will somehow give a flying eff about you. And how are their machines going to work for you anyway?

Well to be honest what I had in mind was something in the lines of "I, robot". You know personal robots that you could buy to do your shit for you.

But maybe I'm think a bit too ahead.

[mainpmf]

So, when machines with AI compete with humans for jobs what will humans do? When jobs both in manufacturing and services are gone, what then?

I think they won't "compete"  with us but rather work for us. Help us have a better life. After all - they're machines.

So you figure that corporations that use those machines to get rid of you will somehow give a flying eff about you. And how are their machines going to work for you anyway?

Which is why government should be here to be sure that profits made by the companies are at least partially redistributed to the people

[gregyoung14]

So, when machines with AI compete with humans for jobs what will humans do? When jobs both in manufacturing and services are gone, what then?

I think they won't "compete"  with us but rather work for us. Help us have a better life. After all - they're machines.

So you figure that corporations that use those machines to get rid of you will somehow give a flying eff about you. And how are their machines going to work for you anyway?

Which is why government should be here to be sure that profits made by the companies are at least partially redistributed to the people

I hate this, but i guess i became that cynical about the government that now i am absolutely sure that they wont even look at this. I just hope then that some major company players like Google for one will take this seriously.

[mainpmf]

So, when machines with AI compete with humans for jobs what will humans do? When jobs both in manufacturing and services are gone, what then?

I think they won't "compete"  with us but rather work for us. Help us have a better life. After all - they're machines.

So you figure that corporations that use those machines to get rid of you will somehow give a flying eff about you. And how are their machines going to work for you anyway?

Which is why government should be here to be sure that profits made by the companies are at least partially redistributed to the people

I hate this, but i guess i became that cynical about the government that now i am absolutely sure that they wont even look at this. I just hope then that some major company players like Google for one will take this seriously.

They will seriously take the profits from it yeah --'

[eon89]

So, when machines with AI compete with humans for jobs what will humans do? When jobs both in manufacturing and services are gone, what then?

I think they won't "compete"  with us but rather work for us. Help us have a better life. After all - they're machines.

So you figure that corporations that use those machines to get rid of you will somehow give a flying eff about you. And how are their machines going to work for you anyway?

Which is why government should be here to be sure that profits made by the companies are at least partially redistributed to the people

Yeah, because the government can't sleep at night worrying about the good state of the people.

[mainpmf]

So, when machines with AI compete with humans for jobs what will humans do? When jobs both in manufacturing and services are gone, what then?

I think they won't "compete"  with us but rather work for us. Help us have a better life. After all - they're machines.

So you figure that corporations that use those machines to get rid of you will somehow give a flying eff about you. And how are their machines going to work for you anyway?

Which is why government should be here to be sure that profits made by the companies are at least partially redistributed to the people

Yeah, because the government can't sleep at night worrying about the good state of the people.

I said "should" ^^
I said should because that's what a good government should do! Not the ones we have right now ofc :p

[eon89]

The governments "should"^^ do a lot of things. But they don't.

[mainpmf]

The governments "should"^^ do a lot of things. But they don't.

Because they're corrupted assholes the dumb people keep electing.

But with the blockchain we should now be fully able to vote in a secure and safe way! We should vote our own laws!

[eon89]

The governments "should"^^ do a lot of things. But they don't.

Because they're corrupted assholes the dumb people keep electing.

But with the blockchain we should now be fully able to vote in a secure and safe way! We should vote our own laws!

Please, do be so kind and offer us a better solution. If it works we'll adopt it.

[Elwar]

Ever used a microwave to cook something in one minute?

Why do you not prepare your meal from scratch (wheat, pluck the chicken, milk the cow, etc.)?

Are you saying that the microwave turning our cooking time from a half day to one minute has not allowed people to do more with their lives?

Look at 100 years ago...all of those carriage manufacturers and horse breeders and horse shit shovelers who lost their jobs because of the automobile (that was mainly reserved for the rich).

Now practically everyone has a car that has more intelligence than the rocket that took men to the moon.

What do you not have right now that cheap manufacturing could give you?

DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE IMAGINATIONS?

[xslugx]

Ever used a microwave to cook something in one minute?

Why do you not prepare your meal from scratch (wheat, pluck the chicken, milk the cow, etc.)?

Are you saying that the microwave turning our cooking time from a half day to one minute has not allowed people to do more with their lives?

Look at 100 years ago...all of those carriage manufacturers and horse breeders and horse shit shovelers who lost their jobs because of the automobile (that was mainly reserved for the rich).

Now practically everyone has a car that has more intelligence than the rocket that took men to the moon.

What do you not have right now that cheap manufacturing could give you?

DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE IMAGINATIONS?

Not the question. not saying it's a bad thing.

Problem is not technology development. The problem is WHO will profit of the technological development

[galdur]

Ever used a microwave to cook something in one minute?

Why do you not prepare your meal from scratch (wheat, pluck the chicken, milk the cow, etc.)?

Are you saying that the microwave turning our cooking time from a half day to one minute has not allowed people to do more with their lives?

Look at 100 years ago...all of those carriage manufacturers and horse breeders and horse shit shovelers who lost their jobs because of the automobile (that was mainly reserved for the rich).

Now practically everyone has a car that has more intelligence than the rocket that took men to the moon.

What do you not have right now that cheap manufacturing could give you?

DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE IMAGINATIONS?

Most people don´t equate their own brain with automobiles, vending machines and such, so yes they have imagination enough to realize that now the competition from machines is going to be about jobs that require a brain. That is a whole new ballgame.

[Elwar]

Ever used a microwave to cook something in one minute?

Why do you not prepare your meal from scratch (wheat, pluck the chicken, milk the cow, etc.)?

Are you saying that the microwave turning our cooking time from a half day to one minute has not allowed people to do more with their lives?

Look at 100 years ago...all of those carriage manufacturers and horse breeders and horse shit shovelers who lost their jobs because of the automobile (that was mainly reserved for the rich).

Now practically everyone has a car that has more intelligence than the rocket that took men to the moon.

What do you not have right now that cheap manufacturing could give you?

DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE IMAGINATIONS?

Not the question. not saying it's a bad thing.

Problem is not technology development. The problem is WHO will profit of the technological development

Yes, because who profits is the most important thing when it comes to innovation.   

[Elwar]

Ever used a microwave to cook something in one minute?

Why do you not prepare your meal from scratch (wheat, pluck the chicken, milk the cow, etc.)?

Are you saying that the microwave turning our cooking time from a half day to one minute has not allowed people to do more with their lives?

Look at 100 years ago...all of those carriage manufacturers and horse breeders and horse shit shovelers who lost their jobs because of the automobile (that was mainly reserved for the rich).

Now practically everyone has a car that has more intelligence than the rocket that took men to the moon.

What do you not have right now that cheap manufacturing could give you?

DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE IMAGINATIONS?

Most people don´t equate their own brain with automobiles, vending machines and such, so yes they have imagination enough to realize that now the competition from machines is going to be about jobs that require a brain. That is a whole new ballgame.

We've had computers that compete with human brains for decades. It's only made us more productive and created more jobs.