Faith-healing couple who prayed and rubbed oil on the head of their sickly baby

[Moloch]

Faith-healing couple who prayed and rubbed oil on the head of their sickly newborn instead of calling 911 WILL go to prison for letting him die
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3272728/Faith-healing-couple-prison-killing-newborn.html

Oregon must not be one of the 32 states (64% of America) where it is legal to murder your child and blame it on God... (Faith Healing laws)

An Oregon couple who prayed and rubbed olive on their dying son following a home birth rather than call 911 and seek help will continue to serve six years in prison each after a judge upheld their manslaughter conviction.

Dale and Shannon Hickman, both 30, were both convicted in 2011 of second-degree manslaughter for the death of their son, David, who died nine hours after his home birth in 2009.  

David was born two months early at his grandmother's home with undeveloped lungs, and died after having trouble breathing and turning blue.

The Hickman's - members of a controversial faith-healing church in Oregon - had appealed their conviction, on the grounds that the prosecution had the burden to prove the couple knew their religious beliefs would cause the death of their child, The New York Daily News reported.

But the plea was rejected by the Oregon Supreme Court last week.

Last week a judge rejected an appeal made by the couple and reiterated that they could have done more to try and save their son.


During the 2011 trial, a doctor had testified that David would have had a '99 percent chance' of surviving had the couple called 911.

The baby officially died of staphylococcus pneumonia, which could have been treated.

'As the evidence unfolded and the witnesses testified, it became evident to me and certainly to the jury … that this death just simply did not need to occur,' Judge Robert Herndon said.

Prosecutors explained during the trial that David was born with a bacterial infection and underdeveloped lungs.

Mr Hickman said he didn't call 911 because he was praying. The couple never considered taking the baby to the hospital, prosecutors said.

Shannon Hickman said that she must defer to her husband because of church rules.

'I think it's God's will whatever happens,' she testified.

The baby boy died quickly and there was no evidence that medical care would have saved him, Mark Cogan, defending, told the court.


The Followers of Christ Church has a history of rejecting medical care for children and relying on as prayer and anointing the sick with oils.

Five other church members have been convicted in Clackamas County for crimes related to the rejection of medical care for their children.

The Hickmans' conviction on second-degree manslaughter charges typically requires a mandatory minimum sentence of six years in prison.


But many feared that, because of a religious exemption in state law at time of the crime, they might have received just 18 months in prison and a $250,000 fine.

In response to deaths among Followers of Christ members, state lawmakers removed the religious defences from criminal laws this year.

Those exemptions had made it tougher to convict parents shunning a child's medical care for religious reasons instead of neglect.

The change will allow prosecutors to seek stiffer manslaughter or murder charges in faith-healing cases.

On Monday, Prosecutor Mike Regan said a message needed to be sent to the church that child abuse for any motive is still child abuse.


He said: 'These generally are good, decent, law-abiding folks, except in this one narrow area of their lives. One (area) where they have told us stubbornly – and arrogantly, if I may – that 'We are not going to change.'

'The law of civil society demands that they change. It demands that we sent a message to all of them that whether you believe this or not in Oregon, you cannot act upon that belief.'

Two other parents from the church were convicted earlier this year for failing to seek medical care for their infant daughter.

She had a growth that could have left her blind in one eye - and they were sentenced to three months in jail.  

[bryant.coleman]

What a bunch of hypocrites! In 2015, the evangelical and Pentecostal groups petitioned the Brazilian supreme court to forcibly abduct children born to Amazonian Indians, and place them in orphanages run by these missionary groups. The reason - they want to protect the children from aboriginal infanticide.

I am not denying that the Amazonian Indians practice infanticide. But that is a very very rare practice. They do it only if the newborn child is deformed or affected by some serious medical condition which makes the chances of survival quite low. But the missionaries exaggerate this practice, and want to remove all the tribal children from their parents. YouTube is full of propaganda videos made by these missionaries, demonizing the aborigines. Reminds me of the "Stolen generations" tactic used by Australia.

And at the same time, the same group of people will justify the death of baby David Hickman,claiming that the baby was a martyr for Jesus.

[Moloch]

What a bunch of hypocrites! In 2015, the evangelical and Pentecostal groups petitioned the Brazilian supreme court to forcibly abduct children born to Amazonian Indians, and place them in orphanages run by these missionary groups. The reason - they want to protect the children from aboriginal infanticide.

I am not denying that the Amazonian Indians practice infanticide. But that is a very very rare practice. They do it only if the newborn child is deformed or affected by some serious medical condition which makes the chances of survival quite low. But the missionaries exaggerate this practice, and want to remove all the tribal children from their parents. YouTube is full of propaganda videos made by these missionaries, demonizing the aborigines. Reminds me of the "Stolen generations" tactic used by Australia.

And at the same time, the same group of people will justify the death of baby David Hickman,claiming that the baby was a martyr for Jesus.

Sounds like they were simply practicing artificial selection... kill the weak and sickly to clean up the gene pool and make the future generations stronger... makes sense... we do it with dogs every day...

I'm not sure why Christians would steal tribal babies... I'd bet there is money involved... they probably sell the Amazonian children for a premium of $20,000

[bryant.coleman]

Sounds like they were simply practicing artificial selection... kill the weak and sickly to clean up the gene pool and make the future generations stronger... makes sense... we do it with dogs every day...

I don't know. These tribals are very isolated. They don't know much about Western culture and modern medicine. I doubt whether they know anything about gene-pool and DNA.

I'm not sure why Christians would steal tribal babies... I'd bet there is money involved... they probably sell the Amazonian children for a premium of $20,000

Well... there are quite a few missionaries who want to make money through the quick route. Selling child porn is one of the options:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2547740/Ex-Christian-missionary-jailed-58-years-sexually-abused-indigenous-girls-child-porn-setting-church-Amazon.html

Another route is the slave trade:

http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/10760

[Moloch]

Sounds like they were simply practicing artificial selection... kill the weak and sickly to clean up the gene pool and make the future generations stronger... makes sense... we do it with dogs every day...

I don't know. These tribals are very isolated. They don't know much about Western culture and modern medicine. I doubt whether they know anything about gene-pool and DNA.

While they might not understand genetics, and passing along genes... I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to realize that the kid with 1 arm will be less useful to the village than the kid with 2 arms... If they have no arms, they are simply a burden and should be killed... that's small-village common sense IMHO... if you only have 20 men, you cannot afford to have a man with no arms... it's better to make a new baby next year

[step13denver]

When I was a teacher in China and couldn't walk. The Chinese doctors said that I needed all of these lotions and such to heal my feet. When I came back to the United States the doctors said, that was all bs, I had neuropothy and nothing could heal the nerve damage.

[salinizm]

Faith-healing couple who prayed and rubbed oil on the head of their sickly newborn instead of calling 911 WILL go to prison for letting him die
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3272728/Faith-healing-couple-prison-killing-newborn.html

Oregon must not be one of the 32 states (64% of America) where it is legal to murder your child and blame it on God... (Faith Healing laws)

An Oregon couple who prayed and rubbed olive on their dying son following a home birth rather than call 911 and seek help will continue to serve six years in prison each after a judge upheld their manslaughter conviction.

Dale and Shannon Hickman, both 30, were both convicted in 2011 of second-degree manslaughter for the death of their son, David, who died nine hours after his home birth in 2009.  

David was born two months early at his grandmother's home with undeveloped lungs, and died after having trouble breathing and turning blue.

The Hickman's - members of a controversial faith-healing church in Oregon - had appealed their conviction, on the grounds that the prosecution had the burden to prove the couple knew their religious beliefs would cause the death of their child, The New York Daily News reported.

But the plea was rejected by the Oregon Supreme Court last week.

Last week a judge rejected an appeal made by the couple and reiterated that they could have done more to try and save their son.


During the 2011 trial, a doctor had testified that David would have had a '99 percent chance' of surviving had the couple called 911.

The baby officially died of staphylococcus pneumonia, which could have been treated.

'As the evidence unfolded and the witnesses testified, it became evident to me and certainly to the jury … that this death just simply did not need to occur,' Judge Robert Herndon said.

Prosecutors explained during the trial that David was born with a bacterial infection and underdeveloped lungs.

Mr Hickman said he didn't call 911 because he was praying. The couple never considered taking the baby to the hospital, prosecutors said.

Shannon Hickman said that she must defer to her husband because of church rules.

'I think it's God's will whatever happens,' she testified.

The baby boy died quickly and there was no evidence that medical care would have saved him, Mark Cogan, defending, told the court.


The Followers of Christ Church has a history of rejecting medical care for children and relying on as prayer and anointing the sick with oils.

Five other church members have been convicted in Clackamas County for crimes related to the rejection of medical care for their children.

The Hickmans' conviction on second-degree manslaughter charges typically requires a mandatory minimum sentence of six years in prison.


But many feared that, because of a religious exemption in state law at time of the crime, they might have received just 18 months in prison and a $250,000 fine.

In response to deaths among Followers of Christ members, state lawmakers removed the religious defences from criminal laws this year.

Those exemptions had made it tougher to convict parents shunning a child's medical care for religious reasons instead of neglect.

The change will allow prosecutors to seek stiffer manslaughter or murder charges in faith-healing cases.

On Monday, Prosecutor Mike Regan said a message needed to be sent to the church that child abuse for any motive is still child abuse.


He said: 'These generally are good, decent, law-abiding folks, except in this one narrow area of their lives. One (area) where they have told us stubbornly – and arrogantly, if I may – that 'We are not going to change.'

'The law of civil society demands that they change. It demands that we sent a message to all of them that whether you believe this or not in Oregon, you cannot act upon that belief.'

Two other parents from the church were convicted earlier this year for failing to seek medical care for their infant daughter.

She had a growth that could have left her blind in one eye - and they were sentenced to three months in jail.  

i am really feel sorry for that baby having  such lunatic parents.. but this case totally prove that faith-healing and other so called miracle things dont exsist on earth.. we should trust science not god..

[Moloch]

There is an old saying, "Nothing fails like prayer"

[bryant.coleman]

i am really feel sorry for that baby having  such lunatic parents.. but this case totally prove that faith-healing and other so called miracle things dont exsist on earth.. we should trust science not god..

Organized religion is the biggest enemy of science. Many of the renowned scientists, including Charles Darwin, Nicolaus Copernicus, and Galileo Galilei were demonized and vilified by the church, for making discoveries which questioned the basics of religion. Islam is even worse. It makes sure that the followers remain illiterate and uneducated, so that the clerics can enslave them.

[mrflibblehat]

Only three months They got easy. Faith healing my ass. This makes me so angry!

[adverbelly]

Faith-healing couple who prayed and rubbed oil on the head of their sickly newborn instead of calling 911 WILL go to prison for letting him die
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3272728/Faith-healing-couple-prison-killing-newborn.html

Oregon must not be one of the 32 states (64% of America) where it is legal to murder your child and blame it on God... (Faith Healing laws)

An Oregon couple who prayed and rubbed olive on their dying son following a home birth rather than call 911 and seek help will continue to serve six years in prison each after a judge upheld their manslaughter conviction.

Dale and Shannon Hickman, both 30, were both convicted in 2011 of second-degree manslaughter for the death of their son, David, who died nine hours after his home birth in 2009.  

David was born two months early at his grandmother's home with undeveloped lungs, and died after having trouble breathing and turning blue.

The Hickman's - members of a controversial faith-healing church in Oregon - had appealed their conviction, on the grounds that the prosecution had the burden to prove the couple knew their religious beliefs would cause the death of their child, The New York Daily News reported.

But the plea was rejected by the Oregon Supreme Court last week.

Last week a judge rejected an appeal made by the couple and reiterated that they could have done more to try and save their son.


During the 2011 trial, a doctor had testified that David would have had a '99 percent chance' of surviving had the couple called 911.

The baby officially died of staphylococcus pneumonia, which could have been treated.

'As the evidence unfolded and the witnesses testified, it became evident to me and certainly to the jury … that this death just simply did not need to occur,' Judge Robert Herndon said.

Prosecutors explained during the trial that David was born with a bacterial infection and underdeveloped lungs.

Mr Hickman said he didn't call 911 because he was praying. The couple never considered taking the baby to the hospital, prosecutors said.

Shannon Hickman said that she must defer to her husband because of church rules.

'I think it's God's will whatever happens,' she testified.

The baby boy died quickly and there was no evidence that medical care would have saved him, Mark Cogan, defending, told the court.


The Followers of Christ Church has a history of rejecting medical care for children and relying on as prayer and anointing the sick with oils.

Five other church members have been convicted in Clackamas County for crimes related to the rejection of medical care for their children.

The Hickmans' conviction on second-degree manslaughter charges typically requires a mandatory minimum sentence of six years in prison.


But many feared that, because of a religious exemption in state law at time of the crime, they might have received just 18 months in prison and a $250,000 fine.

In response to deaths among Followers of Christ members, state lawmakers removed the religious defences from criminal laws this year.

Those exemptions had made it tougher to convict parents shunning a child's medical care for religious reasons instead of neglect.

The change will allow prosecutors to seek stiffer manslaughter or murder charges in faith-healing cases.

On Monday, Prosecutor Mike Regan said a message needed to be sent to the church that child abuse for any motive is still child abuse.


He said: 'These generally are good, decent, law-abiding folks, except in this one narrow area of their lives. One (area) where they have told us stubbornly – and arrogantly, if I may – that 'We are not going to change.'

'The law of civil society demands that they change. It demands that we sent a message to all of them that whether you believe this or not in Oregon, you cannot act upon that belief.'

Two other parents from the church were convicted earlier this year for failing to seek medical care for their infant daughter.

She had a growth that could have left her blind in one eye - and they were sentenced to three months in jail.  

if i had a change , i wouldnt let such religious people have a child.. i am so sorry this little baby but i hope these evil parents will get a fair punishment..

[salinizm]

Faith-healing couple who prayed and rubbed oil on the head of their sickly newborn instead of calling 911 WILL go to prison for letting him die
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3272728/Faith-healing-couple-prison-killing-newborn.html

Oregon must not be one of the 32 states (64% of America) where it is legal to murder your child and blame it on God... (Faith Healing laws)

An Oregon couple who prayed and rubbed olive on their dying son following a home birth rather than call 911 and seek help will continue to serve six years in prison each after a judge upheld their manslaughter conviction.

Dale and Shannon Hickman, both 30, were both convicted in 2011 of second-degree manslaughter for the death of their son, David, who died nine hours after his home birth in 2009.  

David was born two months early at his grandmother's home with undeveloped lungs, and died after having trouble breathing and turning blue.

The Hickman's - members of a controversial faith-healing church in Oregon - had appealed their conviction, on the grounds that the prosecution had the burden to prove the couple knew their religious beliefs would cause the death of their child, The New York Daily News reported.

But the plea was rejected by the Oregon Supreme Court last week.

Last week a judge rejected an appeal made by the couple and reiterated that they could have done more to try and save their son.


During the 2011 trial, a doctor had testified that David would have had a '99 percent chance' of surviving had the couple called 911.

The baby officially died of staphylococcus pneumonia, which could have been treated.

'As the evidence unfolded and the witnesses testified, it became evident to me and certainly to the jury … that this death just simply did not need to occur,' Judge Robert Herndon said.

Prosecutors explained during the trial that David was born with a bacterial infection and underdeveloped lungs.

Mr Hickman said he didn't call 911 because he was praying. The couple never considered taking the baby to the hospital, prosecutors said.

Shannon Hickman said that she must defer to her husband because of church rules.

'I think it's God's will whatever happens,' she testified.

The baby boy died quickly and there was no evidence that medical care would have saved him, Mark Cogan, defending, told the court.


The Followers of Christ Church has a history of rejecting medical care for children and relying on as prayer and anointing the sick with oils.

Five other church members have been convicted in Clackamas County for crimes related to the rejection of medical care for their children.

The Hickmans' conviction on second-degree manslaughter charges typically requires a mandatory minimum sentence of six years in prison.


But many feared that, because of a religious exemption in state law at time of the crime, they might have received just 18 months in prison and a $250,000 fine.

In response to deaths among Followers of Christ members, state lawmakers removed the religious defences from criminal laws this year.

Those exemptions had made it tougher to convict parents shunning a child's medical care for religious reasons instead of neglect.

The change will allow prosecutors to seek stiffer manslaughter or murder charges in faith-healing cases.

On Monday, Prosecutor Mike Regan said a message needed to be sent to the church that child abuse for any motive is still child abuse.


He said: 'These generally are good, decent, law-abiding folks, except in this one narrow area of their lives. One (area) where they have told us stubbornly – and arrogantly, if I may – that 'We are not going to change.'

'The law of civil society demands that they change. It demands that we sent a message to all of them that whether you believe this or not in Oregon, you cannot act upon that belief.'

Two other parents from the church were convicted earlier this year for failing to seek medical care for their infant daughter.

She had a growth that could have left her blind in one eye - and they were sentenced to three months in jail.  

if i had a change , i wouldnt let such religious people have a child.. i am so sorry this little baby but i hope these evil parents will get a fair punishment..

we share same ideas. Before having a child, couples must be examined whether they can be a good parent or not.

[Moloch]

we share same ideas. Before having a child, couples must be examined whether they can be a good parent or not.

How can you tell if a 16yr old will be a good parent?

[protokol]

i am really feel sorry for that baby having  such lunatic parents.. but this case totally prove that faith-healing and other so called miracle things dont exsist on earth.. we should trust science not god..

Organized religion is the biggest enemy of science. Many of the renowned scientists, including Charles Darwin, Nicolaus Copernicus, and Galileo Galilei were demonized and vilified by the church, for making discoveries which questioned the basics of religion. Islam is even worse. It makes sure that the followers remain illiterate and uneducated, so that the clerics can enslave them.

For once I sincerely agree with you, but don't forget that Islam used to be different, in fact in medieval times most scientific discoveries came from the Islamic civilisation.

Unfortunately contemporary Islam is different, but it's worth noting that the majority of religious people aren't as extreme as they're made out to be, we only see the outliers. For example, most christians would have taken this kid to hospital, and most muslims wouldn't condone blowing up buildings. But the ones that do, create a bad name for everyone else that believes in the bullshit.

[xht]

"prayed and rubbed olive oil ", " never sought prenatal care". Hmmm.... Those that remember Catherine Cullman, the faith healer that died of cancer... Hmm again. Enough said.

[spazzdla]

i am really feel sorry for that baby having  such lunatic parents.. but this case totally prove that faith-healing and other so called miracle things dont exsist on earth.. we should trust science not god..

Organized religion is the biggest enemy of science. Many of the renowned scientists, including Charles Darwin, Nicolaus Copernicus, and Galileo Galilei were demonized and vilified by the church, for making discoveries which questioned the basics of religion. Islam is even worse. It makes sure that the followers remain illiterate and uneducated, so that the clerics can enslave them.

Could not agree more.  Religion is a force of horror hidden behind the ides of good.

[Moloch]

i am really feel sorry for that baby having  such lunatic parents.. but this case totally prove that faith-healing and other so called miracle things dont exsist on earth.. we should trust science not god..

Organized religion is the biggest enemy of science. Many of the renowned scientists, including Charles Darwin, Nicolaus Copernicus, and Galileo Galilei were demonized and vilified by the church, for making discoveries which questioned the basics of religion. Islam is even worse. It makes sure that the followers remain illiterate and uneducated, so that the clerics can enslave them.

Could not agree more.  Religion is a force of horror hidden behind the ideas of good.

A wolf in sheeple clothing

[chanchel]

we share same ideas. Before having a child, couples must be examined whether they can be a good parent or not.
[/quote]

I'm sorry but that just isn't possible.  I don't care how old you are or how many books you've read, nothing truly prepares to be a parent.  I have 6 kids and the only thing I've really learned about being a parent, is I don't know jack.  Every kid is completely different.  If I yell at my oldest he shrinks emotionally and won't let anyone in, so I've learned to deal with him in a different way.  They all respond differently to different situations.  Praising one will put them on cloud nine and praising another one doesn't do the same.  The good parents are the ones that spend time with their kids and get to know them, so they can figure out how to be parents.

[Moloch]

we share same ideas. Before having a child, couples must be examined whether they can be a good parent or not.

I'm sorry but that just isn't possible.  I don't care how old you are or how many books you've read, nothing truly prepares to be a parent.  I have 6 kids and the only thing I've really learned about being a parent, is I don't know jack.  Every kid is completely different.  If I yell at my oldest he shrinks emotionally and won't let anyone in, so I've learned to deal with him in a different way.  They all respond differently to different situations.  Praising one will put them on cloud nine and praising another one doesn't do the same.  The good parents are the ones that spend time with their kids and get to know them, so they can figure out how to be parents.

I think people have children too young... if parents waited until they were 40 to have children instead of 16, they would be more equipped to properly raise those children...

Some say, "It takes a village to raise a child"

In some places, the grandparents raise the children (because they are older and wiser)