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[MisterMiyagi]

Follow the Steps To Stay away from the trust Drama and support the "Sensible League Moment"
1 Open Your Trust Settings  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust

2. Remove DefaultTrust by inserting ~DefaultTrust

3. Remove Blazed specifically because he clearly has gone full retards ~Blazed

4 Hit the Update Button

5 Enjoy

Greetings My Fellow Bitcointalk Members.Following post is relatively long, a rough estimate of 5-10 minutes are obligatory to continue.Of course,for the love of this forum,that shouldn't be of great importance.

Who Am I ?
I'm a legendary member following the forum since early 2011.Not been posting much but self-aware with the latest happening in the community .

Why this post ?
Recent drama caused by the Default trust list issues had me off the table to contribute to something which I dare to not see its destruction.In simple words, Default Trust is used destructively giving it a centralized paradigm shift .

What's the fuss about ?

Let's begin : {this is going to be long but worth your read,feedback's are always encouraged but we need more actions take}

Escrow.Ms has been kicked out of Default Trust resulting Blazed to become DT 1 and after a few illiterate mind's suggestions ,a couple of random foreigner's {I personally never heard of them before} were added to the DT-2 by Blazed.

@Blazed : You were a sensible guy.An audacious trader,smartness surrounds your ethics.Why this decision?

So the random foreigners I'm referring to are Mexxer-2{&}Lutpin.I still remember discussing Trust List with Dogie and we never expected this could arise as an exception or flaw in his model.By contrast, I personally haven't noticed any significant reasons for both of them to be on the Trust List.

Reasons {}
1}None of them have a history of trades in this forum.{both Mexxer-2 & Lutpin}
2}The feedback given by Mexxer-2 to stack members to his trust list is hilarious. {see below,I shall be grateful if someone quotes the reply to display images.}

Mexxer-2's reason to add another random foreigner WhyWeFight to his trust list.
https://i.imgur.com/Uxvwq2e.png

Apparently,the HateLeague is a new entourage of Default Trust Members who don't have a possible track of contributions to the bitcoin network nor successful trades neither a substantial amount of activities to be on the list.Seriously,is adding members to DT taken for granted ? @Blazed -> It's your fault mate.

Mexxer-2's second addition to his trust Network {his possible alternative} Lutpin {this is a super decisive}
https://i.imgur.com/YGa0LXK.png

Has anyone opened the referenced link ? To tell you,it takes you to CryptoGames home page {a gambling portal}.Just wow.3 BTC loan from a gambling portal seems very reputable ,right ? No track of the loan,No exact proofs,just because the DT has to bring someone in Power {his own alt} Mexxer-2 gives him a trust.Knowing trust is not moderated I agree but people ,especially Veterans like me are not too imbecile to stay silent of the fact that its misused.Moreover,if the loan is taken offsite this forum,why reward the trust here ?

To summarize {} Blazed adds Mexxer-2 to trust list and he instantly adds up his team under him without any reasonable reasons.

The amount of threads of misusing DT power created after Mexxer-2  are quite an example why he or his Brain Child Lutpin should not be granted the privileges.Accurately ,4-5 threads are created against Lutpin using his powers.It was never before ? I would agree if 1 or 2 members think his feedback's are not deserved but the most of them think he is misusing his powers {So Do I}.

And now,they are creating this fancy HateLeague wherein they will tag users for anything which doesn't obey their unsolicited  facts.I can totally see where it is going,first you get added to the DT ,then you add your alts to it including a few members those suck up to you and then you form an army.

Selling of accounts or goods or recently GiftCards should be a matter of choice to the members.Even the companies who manufacture them are aware about it and there are numerous videos,blogs,forums open advertising the hacks and the companies don't seem to care much,why should you ? How does it affect the rationalism in the forum? Person A has a gift card,he want's to trade it for Bitcoins with Person B,what's your issues ? He is supporting bitcoins probably buys them and you don't have to go all FBI on them.The problem starts when the goods promised are not sold or turn out to be fake,this can qualify for a negative feedback.

I still remember back in the day when people used to post requests to sell guns for bitcoins and they had buyers.Now,this was illegal but again it serves the entire point of decentralization ? No DT has issues with them back then? Why now?

To all members who are negatively tagged undesirably -> Don't bother the feedback from these clowns.They are simply bored of their less interesting real lives and being in the DT is only achievement they had so let them live with it.Keep doing what you guys like if it doesn't promote scam. Sooner or later,this entire DT thing will be a joke and I won't be surprised if other forum takes over where people are actually free of such trust issues from undeserved candidates.

@Blazed-> If all this makes sense to you,please re-consider your choices.

@VOD @Shoerna Only both of them are totally deserving DT members after OGNASTY and I would like to hear your views on this.  

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[whywefight]

Stop hiding behind a newbie account and i will take you serious.

I am detecting some butthurt, please read post #2  here

[erikalui]

Guns were sold on this forum? Are you kidding or is this for real? Surely this forum is doomed if people can sell guns/drugs here.

You could have posted this with your real account but I guess you too were targeted for selling gift cards. I too sell them and don't mind proving that I earned them but I wouldn't support the sale of illegal gift cards just because I want to sell gift cards. Selling illegal things here is a way of scamming and just like users who promote ponzis were given a negative trust, users who are selling illegal cards too should be negated and there's no justification one can give except that it's a way of earning money so I can do anything to earn it (probably RIP off websites, owners of credit cards and others).


This is the worse thing about this forum when users start defending illegal things and say since it has happened in the past, it should continue to happen in future.

[MisterMiyagi]

Stop hiding behind a newbie account and i will take you serious.

I am detecting some butthurt, please read post #2  here

I'm not related to selling or buying goods either his forum or any other online entity.The only reason I'm posting this from a newbie account is because I'm at work on site in other country and I don't think it is a good idea to login with my password on the public computer.What if I tell you I belong to the DT list with much more rep than your light green fading shade ? I can't believe you literally made that thread.You're not a celebrity here and you should do your Internet Cop business over 100 other forums if you can but guess what ? They don't have a DT list there.

[whywefight]

If you dont agree with my opinion i am fine with it. I am not impressed if you are on DT or not. I dont care about my position in the trust system. I am free to leave feedback that reflects my opinion. I leave a reference for the -ve i do so people can check why i left it and decide. I guess, if you are on DT, you should actually know how it works. You are welcome to deal with the threads popping up in scam accusations because people bought cards that were bought with fraud money, lost their money in ponzis, have to deal with defaulted loans, bought cracked accounts that no longer working and/or ended up with non working keys.

I guess you wont refund em, eh?

[Quickseller]

I am fairly certain that I know who the OP is and I don't think it is productive to make ad hominem attacks against the OP, as I would argue that he is probably one of the most trusted people around.

I would say that I agree that Mexxer-2 and Lutpin are strange choices for being in the Default Trust network. I would also say there is a high chance they are the same person.

I somewhat get the feeling that some people are trying to make a name for themselves as being a scam buster. They are doing this by stretching the definition of a scammer and leaving negative trust for people who probably do not have the drive nor motivation to defend their name/reputation, even though what they are accused of doing, even if true, is really not scamming.

I would note that a good number of the "Mexxer-2 and Lutpin" threads have resulted in no additional negative ratings being added to the accounts of those complaining, and in a decent number of instances the ratings have been removed. On the other hand, it was fairly rare that a rating that I left was inappropriate, and as a result very few ratings needed to be removed that I left and many of the "QS" threads resulted in additional people looking at the evidence and leaving additional ratings on those complaining.

[Blazed]

I will take a look a closer look into both of them and see if they are abusing DT2. Mexxer-2 and lutpin have been helping the community with threads outing spammers and alt accounts etc... When you are DT1 adding people to your list has nothing to do with trades. The goal is to add users whose feedback and efforts help the community. Anyways, I will look into this and reply back!
 

[Emerge]

I will take a look a closer look into both of them and see if they are abusing DT2. Mexxer-2 and lutpin have been helping the community with threads outing spammers and alt accounts etc... When you are DT1 adding people to your list has nothing to do with trades. The goal is to add users whose feedback and efforts help the community. Anyways, I will look into this and reply back!
 

I would also agree that Lutpin and Mexxer-2 are odd as part of the DT network.
I mean, hey yeah they fix spam, but the trust network is for trades and that sort of thing..
Pretty much everyone can tell between an actual reply and spam but the trust is there for people to know
that SOMEONE can be a TRUSTED

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I am fairly certain that I know who the OP is and I don't think it is productive to make ad hominem attacks against the OP, as I would argue that he is probably one of the most trusted people around.

I would say that I agree that Mexxer-2 and Lutpin are strange choices for being in the Default Trust network. I would also say there is a high chance they are the same person.

I somewhat get the feeling that some people are trying to make a name for themselves as being a scam buster. They are doing this by stretching the definition of a scammer and leaving negative trust for people who probably do not have the drive nor motivation to defend their name/reputation, even though what they are accused of doing, even if true, is really not scamming.

I would note that a good number of the "Mexxer-2 and Lutpin" threads have resulted in no additional negative ratings being added to the accounts of those complaining, and in a decent number of instances the ratings have been removed. On the other hand, it was fairly rare that a rating that I left was inappropriate, and as a result very few ratings needed to be removed that I left and many of the "QS" threads resulted in additional people looking at the evidence and leaving additional ratings on those complaining.

As much as I think QS should probably opt out of any discussion about default trust (and escrow), I agree with him here.  I see Mexxer-2 being very active in the forum and doing a lot of good, but I haven't seen a trade history and his track record is not that long.  Lutpin I definitely see as an odd choice and some of the feedback I've seen from him is like Vod on steroids.  Frankly given their limited track record and all of these other questions, you really need to reevaluate what you think "default trust" is.  Because I don't necessarily trust either one of them, and definitely much less so than other members like BAC, Blazed, etc. who've proven more or less that they can be trusted.  But that's just my opinion on the matter and it's worth exactly what you paid for it. 

[mexxer-2]

Greetings My Fellow Bitcointalk Members.Following post is relatively long, a rough estimate of 5-10 minutes are obligatory to continue.Of course,for the love of this forum,that shouldn't be of great importance.

Whew this is gonna take some time.

Escrow.Ms has been kicked out of Default Trust resulting Blazed to become DT 1 and after a few illiterate mind's suggestions ,a couple of random foreigner's {I personally never heard of them before} were added to the DT-2 by Blazed.

In simple words you would like to see DT centralized in the hands of a few individuals, which you had no idea about once.

By contrast, I personally haven't noticed any significant reasons for both of them to be on the Trust List.

Of course, bitcointalk doesn't need anyone to tag the ponzis, scams and shady stuff that is on the verge of being a scam. The only type of members active with with their rating and account as a whole.

1}None of them have a history of trades in this forum.{both Mexxer-2 & Lutpin}
2}The feedback given by Mexxer-2 to stack members to his trust list is hilarious. {see below,I shall be grateful if someone quotes the reply to display images.}

1) Trades, or numbers of them is not a requirement for being added to DT. Nothing is, escrow.ms added bunch of people on his trust list, DeadTerra too, just because they had a few early trades with them, with escrow.ms adding some for trading with less than $10. In addition, I have managed a campaign worth 5 BTC in total, with Lutpin managing one that has paid out in total of 21 BTC.
2) First off, members(in DT) have been giving each other feedbacks for accurately uncovering scams since trust system was made. Second he was on my trust list even before I was added to the trust list, get an archive of the trust.xz file and see for yourself. And no, HateLeague is a thing, I just like to be funny , if you have a problem with it, I don't know whats wrong with your sense of humor mate.
Also since when is my(DT 2) additions to the trust list becoming a problem?

Apparently,the HateLeague is a new entourage of Default Trust Members who don't have a possible track of contributions to the bitcoin network nor successful trades neither a substantial amount of activities to be on the list.Seriously,is adding members to DT taken for granted ? @Blazed -> It's your fault mate.

Actually it consists of james.lent, whywefight, [from what I see in the replies here, QS probably doesn't want to be a part of it] , shorena, possibly EcuaMobi and Lutpin. Two of which you can see are non-DT individuals.

Mexxer-2's second addition to his trust Network {his possible alternative} Lutpin {this is a super decisive}


Has anyone opened the referenced link ? To tell you,it takes you to CryptoGames home page {a gambling portal}.Just wow.3 BTC loan from a gambling portal seems very reputable ,right ? No track of the loan,No exact proofs,just because the DT has to bring someone in Power {his own alt} Mexxer-2 gives him a trust.Knowing trust is not moderated I agree but people ,especially Veterans like me are not too imbecile to stay silent of the fact that its misused.Moreover,if the loan is taken offsite this forum,why reward the trust here ?

First off what is wrong with people suspecting me to be an alt of Lutpin, this was funny once but seriously.Second, its a 3 BTC loan. And yep I met him on Crypto-games, and since it has been a stream of non-forum based loans , thought it was the best reference link.
Also, where are you getting your facts from, both of our feedbacks were from before any of us were in DT. It was supposed to be older but, we had a fight once(which I don't consider to be any of your business) because of which we both removed our feedbacks and stopped communications, and later made up and reinstated the feedback. I'm not good with details, Lutpin may give you guys the exact transactions of the loans and the repayments but I don't expect him to.

Knowing trust is not moderated I agree but people ,especially Veterans like me are not too imbecile to stay silent of the fact that its misused.Moreover,if the loan is taken offsite this forum,why reward the trust here ?

Do you want me to show examples of people handing out trust just because they have known each other for a long time or because they have met each other in the real world?

To summarize {} Blazed adds Mexxer-2 to trust list and he instantly adds up his team under him without any reasonable reasons.

My adding to anyone doesn't have any effect on the trust system. As dogie once said "DT 3 is same as DT 10" or something similar, nobody has their depth level at 3, and you're gonna be seeing a lot of other shit than my additions if you do

The amount of threads of misusing DT power created after Mexxer-2  are quite an example why he or his Brain Child Lutpin should not be granted the privileges.Accurately ,4-5 threads are created against Lutpin using his powers.It was never before ? I would agree if 1 or 2 members think his feedback's are not deserved but the most of them think he is misusing his powers {So Do I}.

There has been a ton of threads on QS abusing his powers, on shorena and vod too. Are you going to count every one of the trolls? Also shove your insults("Brain child") down your own throat.

And now,they are creating this fancy HateLeague wherein they will tag users for anything which doesn't obey their unsolicited  facts.I can totally see where it is going,first you get added to the DT ,then you add your alts to it including a few members those suck up to you and then you form an army.

Gotta admit it, sounds pretty cool when you put it that way. But just because you don't see the discussions happening behind the scenes, doesn't mean we are handing out trust because one of the team member has reported someone for fun.

Selling of accounts or goods or recently GiftCards should be a matter of choice to the members.Even the companies who manufacture them are aware about it and there are numerous videos,blogs,forums open advertising the hacks and the companies don't seem to care much,why should you ? How does it affect the rationalism in the forum? Person A has a gift card,he want's to trade it for Bitcoins with Person B,what's your issues ? He is supporting bitcoins probably buys them and you don't have to go all FBI on them.The problem starts when the goods promised are not sold or turn out to be fake,this can qualify for a negative feedback.

So was this all drama about me and other members beg tagging money-launderers? You know you could've posted your opinion on EcuaMobi's thread, and who knows you might've even convinced everyone that neg-tagging for that reason is not appropriate.

@VOD @Shoerna Only both of them are totally deserving DT members after OGNASTY and I would like to hear your views on this.  

Ironically, Vod(might have been out of humor) once said "I'd like to see you being added to DT" and shorena had me on his trust list until some time ago, he is currently revising his trust list but from what he has said I will be readded as soon as he finishes revising it(might not do it, considering I'm on DT now). Another ironical fact, OgNasty might've added me to his trust list to add more weight to the tags I give to his impersonators.

[mexxer-2]

I would say that I agree that Mexxer-2 and Lutpin are strange choices for being in the Default Trust network. I would also say there is a high chance they are the same person.

First off, don't even tell me this "backstabbing" is because of the reason I think you're sore about. Also I'd like to see your proof for me being an alt of Lutpin

On the other hand, it was fairly rare that a rating that I left was inappropriate, and as a result very few ratings needed to be removed that I left and many of the "QS" threads resulted in additional people looking at the evidence and leaving additional ratings on those complaining.

Well you just had a bigger league that you could fall back onto  

I would note that a good number of the "Mexxer-2 and Lutpin" threads have resulted in no additional negative ratings being added to the accounts of those complaining, and in a decent number of instances the ratings have been removed.

I don't remember any such thing with my ratings , although yes I did remove rating for leowonderful as he closed his "Joke ponzi" ASAP after I gave him a neg. And from the PM he sent me, I just felt bad for him

[shorena]

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@Shoerna Only both of them are totally deserving DT members after OGNASTY and I would like to hear your views on this. 

I suggested both (among others) Lutpin and mexxer-2 to Blazed, as the process was it was just a suggestion and it turned out that Blzaed agreed with me. Both do a good job at handling scammers and finding their alt accounts. DT rating have value beyond mere trade feedback. The ratings are commonly used to issue warnings about probable scams.

Why their "foreignness" is important to you is beyond me, a great deal of people here including me are not from the united states (I assume thats the "non foreign" country here).

Yes, the "hategroup" seems childish and it might be time to bury that joke, but I dont think either of them leaves ratings without a well thought out reason.

[Mitchell]

I mean, hey yeah they fix spam, but the trust network is for trades and that sort of thing..

Wrong. The trust network is for people who's ratings you trust (trades or not). I'll gladly keep mexxer-2 and Lutpin in my trust list.

[Emerge]

I mean, hey yeah they fix spam, but the trust network is for trades and that sort of thing..

Wrong. The trust network is for people who's ratings you trust (trades or not). I'll gladly keep mexxer-2 and Lutpin in my trust list.

that SOMEONE can be a TRUSTED

I did say that in my post as well..

I do trust Mexxer to some extent, but idk, if you wanna base your trust on finding spam then that's your choice.
I just find it odd, as I've said previously

[mexxer-2]

I do trust Mexxer to some extent, but idk, if you wanna base your trust on finding spam then that's your choice.
I just find it odd, as I've said previously

I don't want to brag but have a look at my trust page first. As for me finding spam, others are way better at it than me, and I've never forced you to trust my feedbacks because of my report I do in the background, you always have the option to exclude me from your trust list

[heatplay]

I do trust Mexxer to some extent, but idk, if you wanna base your trust on finding spam then that's your choice.
I just find it odd, as I've said previously

I don't want to brag but have a look at my trust page first. As for me finding spam, others are way better at it than me, and I've never forced you to trust my feedbacks because of my report I do in the background, you always have the option to exclude me from your trust list

Anyone can make an account and start busting scammers and spammers, and it looks like a lot more people are doing it now to be added to the default trust list.

@whywefight I've always wanted to say this. Why not admit to everyone how you were fine with letting your bff Sawzall bump your thread with his alts whenever your thread got buried? (Account selling one)

I have the screenshots from when I logged on to his Skype.

[MisterMiyagi]

I mean, hey yeah they fix spam, but the trust network is for trades and that sort of thing..

Wrong. The trust network is for people who's ratings you trust (trades or not). I'll gladly keep mexxer-2 and Lutpin in my trust list.

Mitchell,finally.Do you know you deserve a negative feedback from these noobs as well ? What if I tell you,couple of coins you own or have accumulated through this forum were "stolen" or more specifically are not manufactured within "particular" country's legal regiments ? I'm sure you won't show the interests in bringing up the discussions.If you're still wondering what I'm talking about,{} the coins you own {not all but few of them} ARE ILLEGALLY manufactured without paying Government taxes and utilizing the Natural Resources of the country thereby leading to mineral crisis.I wonder how this is never been brought up as a issue in the forum.ITS OKAY forget it.

[MisterMiyagi]

I don't want to brag but have a look at my trust page first. As for me finding spam, others are way better at it than me, and I've never forced you to trust my feedbacks because of my report I do in the background, you always have the option to exclude me from your trust list

Let's just say,how are you contributing to bitcoins in general ? Do you run a Full Node? Know what a hard fork is ? Ever set up a mining Rig ? Contributed to the network on GitHub? Your Spam filtering doesn't help the network anyway.Its useless.You barely have a single post in Bitcoin Discussion or Technical Discussions threads.I wonder how are you even allowed to be on the DT. There are numerous forums where regular scams take place,why don't you try your gimmicks there ? If your real intention is to stop spam ,then it must server a greater purpose and not only limit to this forum.

If I ever made a rule I'd allow only Bitcoin Experts to be on the Trust Lists .Not some jobless noobs who are here to waste time.

[MisterMiyagi]

I suggested both (among others) Lutpin and mexxer-2 to Blazed, as the process was it was just a suggestion and it turned out that Blzaed agreed with me. Both do a good job at handling scammers and finding their alt accounts. DT rating have value beyond mere trade feedback. The ratings are commonly used to issue warnings about probable scams.

I honestly respect your opinions Shorena.You are probably one of those guys I would want this noobs to take lessons from.
Finding Alt's,Stopping scams were done before on this forum even before these clowns were added to the DT.I'm not against the fact they stop scams but thye group attack the victim.

Let's say ,if you see an account negative tagged by VOD for a loan without collateral ,would you put a negative on his again? No,because it doesn't make sense to.All I'm saying is,they're group attacking the victims which is bullying and absolutely a trust abuse.Should be stopped.

[shorena]

I suggested both (among others) Lutpin and mexxer-2 to Blazed, as the process was it was just a suggestion and it turned out that Blzaed agreed with me. Both do a good job at handling scammers and finding their alt accounts. DT rating have value beyond mere trade feedback. The ratings are commonly used to issue warnings about probable scams.

I honestly respect your opinions Shorena.You are probably one of those guys I would want this noobs to take lessons from.
Finding Alt's,Stopping scams were done before on this forum even before these clowns were added to the DT.I'm not against the fact they stop scams but thye group attack the victim.

Let's say ,if you see an account negative tagged by VOD for a loan without collateral ,would you put a negative on his again? No,because it doesn't make sense to.All I'm saying is,they're group attacking the victims which is bullying and absolutely a trust abuse.Should be stopped.

I see the point, but multiple ratings by different people also have their good side. QS's removal from DT caused several scammers to return according to QS. Before they[1] had been on DT they would need to write me, EcuaMobi and possible others from DT I dont know about. I would need to take the extra time to double check what they found to leave a rating. Now that they can do this all by themselves and they have quickly learned that being on DT means mostly getting bothered by people that disagree with your ratings. They are in my experience reasonable people despite the jokes and all that, willing to discuss the ratings they left and remove or change them. I think they still need some time to adapt to the new situation, but I dont think this thread is how you get them to change and it shouldnt be. Being on DT also means to stand up for what you think is right and not buckle down at the first signs for criticism.

[1] I will use they to refer to mexxer-2 & lutpin even though they are two distinct individuals and have their own style