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February 25, 2016, 08:07:07 PM
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https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/documentation/blob/master/roadmap/roadmap2016.md

Note: This is our initial roadmap proposal. We will run this by miners, companies and users for feedback, before it is finalized.

Bitcoin Classic 2016 Roadmap

The Bitcoin Classic team will help realize Satoshi’s vision of making Bitcoin scale into a global peer to peer cash system, and not just a settlement network. We believe on-chain scaling is crucial for the long term health of Bitcoin. On-chain scaling maximizes transaction volume, whose fees are needed to replace miner rewards on the medium to long term scale.

Our preferred strategy for on-chain scaling, is to eliminate the need for blocks to be synced within seconds. We will implement solutions that make continuous block syncing possible. Instead of transmitting the data for a new block all at once when it is found, we can significantly optimize current bandwidth by sending data during the full ten-minute interval between blocks. This will enable the Bitcoin network to scale to significant new levels, without endangering decentralization. We will scale using a 3-pronged approach:

Phase 1 (Q1-Q2)

Urgently resolve issue of blocks being almost full

Implement BIP 109: Raise block size limit from 1MB to 2MB.
Hard fork with 75% activation threshold (750 of 1000 blocks), 28 day activation grace period.
Software based on Bitcoin Core implementation 0.11.2 and 0.12.0.
Note: 0.11.2 is already finished and available for download here.

Phase 2 (Q2-Q3)


Eliminate the need for blocks to be sent within seconds

Reduce the effect of block propagation times on orphan rates (lost miner income)
De-emphasize block size as an obstacle for scaling and open up potential for on-chain transaction throughput gains using several improvements (listed below).
Optimizations for bandwidth constrained nodes via improvements to the P2P layer
Note: We intend to discuss various solutions such as the ones listed below and pick the best ones.

Parallel validation of blocks (theoretically reduces the profitability of excessive-sized block attacks).
Headers-first mining (largely nullifies excessive-sized block attacks).
Thin blocks: Blocks refer to transactions that have been well propagated rather than including them, allowing for minimization of bandwidth use.
Weak blocks: allow miners to pre-announce the blocks they are working on, to minimize the data sent once a block is found.
Validate Once: Transactions that have been validated when entering a node’s memory pool do not need to be revalidated when included in a block (speeds up block validation).

Phase 3 (Q3-Q4)

Make the block size limit dynamic


Note: This phase will only happen when miners & companies confirm Phase 2 successfully addressed their blocksize concerns.

Use a variation of Steven Pair’s/BitPay proposal. Validation cost of a block must be less than a small multiple of the average cost over the last difficulty adjustment period
Simplified version of Segregated Witness from Core, when it is available

Technical details

A more technical version of the roadmap can be found here

Conference

We plan to hold an on-chain scaling conference soon, where these and future scaling solutions & concerns can be discussed among the community.

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February 25, 2016, 08:15:05 PM
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Urgently resolve issue of blocks being almost full
Implement BIP 109: Raise block size limit from 1MB to 2MB.


The result is going to be? Full 2MB blocks Grin


Hard fork with 75% activation threshold (750 of 1000 blocks),

Cutting out absent miners and users, how kind.


28 day activation grace period.


Grin is this a joke? Grin

We plan to hold an on-chain scaling conference soon, where these and future scaling solutions & concerns can be discussed among the community.

A conference? Wouldn't a golf tourney be more appropriate, considering the fact there's 0 skilled developers on the Classic team?

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February 25, 2016, 08:16:40 PM
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Urgently resolve issue of blocks being almost full
Implement BIP 109: Raise block size limit from 1MB to 2MB.


The result is going to be? Full 2MB blocks Grin


Hard fork with 75% activation threshold (750 of 1000 blocks),

Cutting out absent miners and users, how kind.


28 day activation grace period.


Grin is this a joke? Grin

We plan to hold an on-chain scaling conference soon, where these and future scaling solutions & concerns can be discussed among the community.

A conference? Wouldn't a golf tourney be more appropriate, considering the fact there's 0 skilled developers on the Classic team?



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February 25, 2016, 08:19:18 PM
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Sounds good on paper. Hopefully you guys succeed and everyone becomes rich.

Signatures? How about learning a skill... I don't care either way. Everybody has to make a living somehow.
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February 25, 2016, 08:21:37 PM
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Garbage product by inferior developers pushing an even more garbage agenda

<helo> funny that this proposal grows the maximum block size to 8GB, and is seen as a compromise
<helo> oh, you don't like a 20x increase? well how about 8192x increase?
<JackH> lmao
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February 25, 2016, 08:26:19 PM
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Thank you Classic for providing us a road map that matches the vision we all originally bought into.   If the community can break through all the censorship and propaganda coming from Blockstream and their developers maybe Bitcoin can still have a future.

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February 25, 2016, 08:36:09 PM
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You've opened the thread in the wrong section. The roadmap is not really interesting. The absence of dates is not surprising.


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February 25, 2016, 08:44:07 PM
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This is what we need: alternatives. Discussion. Finally these guys have something to say about what they intend to deliver. They're not aiming low, that for sure... And that can be either good or bad. We'll see about that in the future.

Their roadmap seems interesting, but I don't think it is complete... Hope they start talking more about it in the next few days. The roadmap is also late. It's coming after a pretty solid roadmap from the Bitcoin Core team... But better late than never Smiley

First it was XT breaking through, now Classic. Let's see where this goes. I'm definitely curious.
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February 25, 2016, 08:47:35 PM
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You've opened the thread in the wrong section.

Nope. This board is just right.

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February 25, 2016, 08:54:11 PM
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Nope. This board is just right.
Have you not noticed that XT/Classic/BU threads get moved somewhere?

This is what we need: alternatives. Discussion. Finally these guys have something to say about what they intend to deliver. They're not aiming low, that for sure... And that can be either good or bad. We'll see about that in the future.
If by "intend to deliver" you mean wait for Core to do most of the work and copy-paste it, then I agree.



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February 25, 2016, 08:57:43 PM
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Nope. This board is just right.
Have you not noticed that XT/Classic/BU threads get moved somewhere?


Nah, I've noticed plenty of "...Classic Rekt" etc hanging on this board without being moved anywhere.

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February 25, 2016, 09:00:08 PM
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Garbage product by inferior developers pushing an even more garbage agenda

Because Jeff and Gavin are inferior developers. Riiiiiiiight

Where do these morons keep coming from?
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February 25, 2016, 09:01:28 PM
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If by "intend to deliver" you mean wait for Core to do most of the work and copy-paste it, then I agree.
sharing is caring.

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February 25, 2016, 09:03:00 PM
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Because Jeff and Gavin are inferior developers. Riiiiiiiight

Where do these morons keep coming from?
You need to take a look at their contributions in the past 12 months. Classic is a group of people who have lately done barely any work at all. If you exclude Jeff and Gavin you're left with mostly random people.

sharing is caring.
Claiming that you've developed something that you 'copy-pasted' is something else entirely.

Nah, I've noticed plenty of "...Classic Rekt" etc hanging on this board without being moved anywhere.
Those are not exactly supportive of an secondary implementation 'altcoin', are they? [1]


[1] Elaboration.


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February 25, 2016, 09:03:33 PM
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This is what we need: alternatives. Discussion. Finally these guys have something to say about what they intend to deliver. They're not aiming low, that for sure... And that can be either good or bad. We'll see about that in the future.
If by "intend to deliver" you mean wait for Core to do most of the work and copy-paste it, then I agree.

No, if they're delivering what they say they are, they're not simply copy+pasting. As things stand right now, I believe Core will succeed, and not Classic (at least in short-medium term), but none of us holds the truth, so what I'm saying might be wrong in a few months/years. As I said, we'll see what happens Smiley So far we only know XT failed in implementing some of its changes
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February 25, 2016, 09:07:03 PM
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sharing is caring.
Claiming that you've developed something that you 'copy-pasted' is something else entirely.

read it again.
seems to me like Classic gives credit  where credit is due.
if there's anything else core would like to contribute, that would be gr8.

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Nah, I've noticed plenty of "...Classic Rekt" etc hanging on this board without being moved anywhere.
Those are not exactly supportive of an secondary implementation 'altcoin', are they?

Schoolboy mistake. You, as a staff member, just openly admitted this forum is being censored.

If Classic is an altcoin, then it is an altcoin in both cases (positive or negative), therefore both kinds of threads should be moved or should stay.

So are you shilling openly now, or still pretending to be neutral and open-minded?

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February 25, 2016, 09:18:38 PM
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Schoolboy mistake. You, as a staff member, just openly admitted this forum is being censored.

If Classic is an altcoin, then it is an altcoin in both cases (positive or negative), therefore both kinds of threads should be moved or should stay.
So are you shilling openly now, or still pretending to be neutral and open-minded?
Here we go again, ad hominem as always. I don't move these threads, nor do I make the rules (nor does my opinion matter on whether Classic is an altcoin or not). I don't have an idea as to why any kind of Classic threads are left in B. Discussion. Maybe nobody bothered to report them. If you feel like they should be moved, then report them yourself. I only know of one that is there right now though. The thought behind that statement is that a 'positive altcoin Classic post/thread' will likely get reported a lot.


I've stumbled upon something interesting: How a floating blocksize limit inevitably leads towards centralization.


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February 25, 2016, 09:21:24 PM
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peter todd thinks there somthing wrong with everything, segwit included.

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remember remember the 5th of november   Tongue

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1f72c3/asics_will_destroy_bitcoin_mining_within_the/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=90513.0

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