mexxer-2, Lutpin, and EcuaMobi are destroying this forum.

[Dorrittulx]

There is no fancy long proofs and links needed. It's clear to see that these 3 members are decaying and deteroriating the forum extremely fast, yet nothing is being done. It's absolutely disgusting. My activity here is dropping more and more as I see this happen.

Victims of this, I sincerely feel bad for you. Even the most trusted are being abused and shoved to the ground for doing nothing. Rest in peace Bitcointalk, 2016 is the year it's going to all fall apart. It's a huge shame nothing has been done.

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[Lutpin]

Funny how things can change in 13 days, right?

DT1!

Congrats man, you deserve it for what you do to keep scammers out.

[Dorrittulx]

Funny how things can change in 13 days, right?

DT1!

Congrats man, you deserve it for what you do to keep scammers out.

Yup, you were doing so well. It's real funny how you went from being a helpful scam buster to a damaging poison that can't be stopped. You feel all good of yourself cause you finally made it to DT3 or 2 or whatever, that's cool. Nobody fucking asked you to patrol the forum policing and nosing into everybody's business and tagging people nobody asked you to tag.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I disagree.  I think Mexxer-2 and Lutpin are definitely being more aggressive--and some of their feedback has been questionable--but your claim that they're destroying this forum is just exaggeration.  Don't know about EduaMobi, I don't see him doing anything different.  It'd be nice if you linked examples, though they have so many posts between them that it's hard to keep track of them all. 

I got scammed by TimSweat just the other day and Mexxer and Lutpin were the only ones who painted him red (and it's unfortunate, I really trusted the guy).  So they both did right by me.

[Lutpin]

Don't know about EduaMobi, I don't see him doing anything different. It'd be nice if you linked examples, though they have so many posts between them that it's hard to keep track of them all.

Only reason I can think of for Ecua being thrown in the mix is this thread he recenty started -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375545.0

I would have even joined the hate league, but my word doesn't carry much weight around here.

Please, don't use that anymore.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Don't know about EduaMobi, I don't see him doing anything different. It'd be nice if you linked examples, though they have so many posts between them that it's hard to keep track of them all.

Only reason I can think of for Ecua being thrown in the mix is this thread he recenty started -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375545.0

Ah yes, I forgot he started that.  I posted in that thread, fully supporting the movement to curtail the sales of carded cards.  I would have even joined the hate league, but my word doesn't carry much weight around here.  If you ever have use for a bitter, nasty comment-poster in spite of that, please keep me in mind.

You guys are way better at scam-finding and busting than I'll ever be.

Edit:  Sorry, I liked HATE LEAGUE.

[Quickseller]

EM seems to be much more mature then the other two and I would say that he is contributing positively to the community. He seems to not like people selling what is clearly stolen gift cards (who would like these people -- except other people involved in fraud), but instead of unanimously starting to leave negative trust for a bunch of sellers, he solicited feedback, input and advice from the community on when to leave negative trust for gift card sellers. This is evidence that he is not adopting policies on negative ratings based on his own personal feelings but rather based on the community norms.

I believe that the other two have good intentions but maybe they got power hungry (this was suggested above), and they seem to develop their policies of negative ratings as they go. I fear that they may get to the point that if they wanted to, they could adopt policies that would apply specifically to their enemies and/or critics. Imo the best basis for a negative rating is when someone actually stole money from someone and/or clearly attempted to steal money from someone. I believe they are greatly expanding above this threshold and this is dangerous.

[Darlesmole]

I agree they're doing great work by kicking scammer's ass but sometimes i think they giving red trust where a neutral was enough.

Every scammer should get negative trust but one innocent shouldn't get negative trust.It's like they doing what they think.Never mind don't really want to waste my time here.

[Zeke2345]

Innocent till proven guilty and not guilty till you explain how you got the giftcards. Lets be very clear about this issue with carders.

Any conversation requesting details is harassment once it is followed up with neg rep. Refusal to acknowledge is a sign of guilt. This is pretty much my only issue. One that does not seem to bother the group of __________《whatever name is now》!

Also saw a post that signaled account sales would be next. So where does it end?

Sorry I can not support this behavior.
Did not see a need for another thread though.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Innocent till proven guilty and not guilty till you explain how you got the giftcards. Lets be very clear about this issue with carders.

Any conversation requesting details is harassment once it is followed up with neg rep. Refusal to acknowledge is a sign of guilt. This is pretty much my only issue. One that does not seem to bother the group of __________《whatever name is now》!

Also saw a post that signaled account sales would be next. So where does it end?

Sorry I can not support this behavior.
Did not see a need for another thread though.

Don't know where it ends, but I hear arguments from both sides of this issue that make sense to me.  Some from people I can't fucking stand, too.  So I'm not commenting on Lutpin or Mexxer-2, I'm done. 

I definitely think account sales need to be clipped and I like some of the work being done to eliminate carded gift cards.  I'm tired of that shit.

[Heutenamos]

He seems to not like people selling what is clearly stolen gift cards (who would like these people -- except other people involved in fraud)

What if i dont like your AVATAR ,what should i do ? can i ask theymos to remove it ? or can i force NSA to completely remove that image from Google and also hack the forum to remove your Avatar ?

There are so many things we don't like and we cant change them,it doesn't gives you the right to do anything with them just because they are doing something which is not agreed by some thugs who make rules for a place which is much bigger than your house, A.K.A Government.

Who would Like ? Some might and some might not.However, I dont see a reason to like and dislike everything we see,like your 'Avatar' ,I dont like it but i dont dislike it either,it's just your sense of humor or your style and i dont have to pay attention to it unless your Avatar is scamming people or making them lose their money to you some how or is affecting people in some other aspects.

Imo the best basis for a negative rating is when someone actually stole money from someone and/or clearly attempted to steal money from someone. I believe they are greatly expanding above this threshold and this is dangerous.

Exactly.we cant start harassing everyone cause we dont like them or feel shady loll.

[whywefight]

Innocent till proven guilty and not guilty till you explain how you got the giftcards. Lets be very clear about this issue with carders.

Any conversation requesting details is harassment once it is followed up with neg rep. Refusal to acknowledge is a sign of guilt. This is pretty much my only issue. One that does not seem to bother the group of __________《whatever name is now》!

Also saw a pos :Pt that signaled account sales would be next. So where does it end?

Sorry I can not support this behavior.
Did not see a need for another thread though.

There is not one single user that got -ved because of complaining or speaking it out. If you call bullshit post a link to proof it, or just shut the fuck up. Dont make look you self like an idiot... whoops, you already did 

[mexxer-2]

EM seems to be much more mature then the other two and I would say that he is contributing positively to the community. He seems to not like people selling what is clearly stolen gift cards (who would like these people -- except other people involved in fraud), but instead of unanimously starting to leave negative trust for a bunch of sellers, he solicited feedback, input and advice from the community on when to leave negative trust for gift card sellers. This is evidence that he is not adopting policies on negative ratings based on his own personal feelings but rather based on the community norms.

Uhuh, so was I supposed to create another thread when such shady activities were brought into light by him? Also you're confusing "feelings" with "opinions". He has pretty much stated that the ones he has tagged will stay that way until they provide proof, I don't find my ratings to be any different(exception being anonymous as I am not entirely sure if he's selling illegal GCs, considering the reasonable discount).
Also since my arguments sound simplistic/immature , here's cryptodevil

Personally I find the arguments and faux-outrage of those of less-than-honest nature, when it comes to being marked as having a less-than-honest nature, utterly fallacious.

Just as much as nobody is here to stop them doing whatever they wish to do in their libertarian utopia, we are equally as entitled to objectively mark them as evidently having demonstrated a less-than-honest nature.

We're not stopping them, we're simply communicating to others the facts of their past behaviour.

It's called consequence, people.

I believe that the other two have good intentions but maybe they got power hungry (this was suggested above)

Don't get me confused with y'self  .

and they seem to develop their policies of negative ratings as they go. I fear that they may get to the point that if they wanted to, they could adopt policies that would apply specifically to their enemies and/or critics. Imo the best basis for a negative rating is when someone actually stole money from someone and/or clearly attempted to steal money from someone. I believe they are greatly expanding above this threshold and this is dangerous.

If you're talking about my "Policy for the most common negs" , I feel they're as reasonable , if not more than reasonable , than the ones implemented by Vod or pretty much any members who tags newbs who ask for loans with no collateral.

Also show me an example of when I have "adopt policies that would apply specifically to their enemies and/or critics"

[MisterMiyagi]

If you're talking about my "Policy for the most common negs" , I feel they're as reasonable , if not more than reasonable , than the ones implemented by Vod or pretty much any members who tags newbs who ask for loans with no collateral.

Who say's they are reasonable ? Why do you think the other members should care about your policies anyway.Point is,your  policies are causing abuse in the favor of polices of other individuals.I wonder if everyone in this world thought like you, we would be short of sensible and intelligent people on this planet.

Situation 1 : Hi My Name is Daniel and I will kill anyone who tries to eat fudge without chocolate sauce.I'm a cop and I can diligently use guns to do so.Beware respect my policies,I don't care if you like chocolate or not .Eat or die.

^^That stupid you sound when you say policies.

[mexxer-2]

If you're talking about my "Policy for the most common negs" , I feel they're as reasonable , if not more than reasonable , than the ones implemented by Vod or pretty much any members who tags newbs who ask for loans with no collateral.

Who say's they are reasonable ? Why do you think the other members should care about your policies anyway.Point is,your  policies are causing abuse in the favor of polices of other individuals.I wonder if everyone in this world thought like you, we would be short of sensible and intelligent people on this planet.

Situation 1 : Hi My Name is Daniel and I will kill anyone who tries to eat fudge without chocolate sauce.I'm a cop and I can diligently use guns to do so.Beware respect my policies,I don't care if you like chocolate or not .Eat or die.

^^That stupid you sound when you say policies.

Feel its time to put you on ignore until you come up with actual arguments than real life implications.

[MisterMiyagi]

Feel its time to put you on ignore until you come up with actual arguments than real life implications.

However,I need to fall down to your level to explain things because you certainly don't understand scenarios without real life implications.I think I'm done conveying what was suppose to be done way before.Its time that I use my powers as well.

Let's see how many more days you enjoy your privileges .

[mexxer-2]

Its time that I use my powers as well.

Cool, been waiting

[lottery248]

i will now be aware about this incident.

since AFAIK they are tagging well before you tell me, i will watch if the DT users like mexxer-2 is explicitly abusing the DT.

sorry mesmer, negging users (even newbie) without anything went wrong or scam attempt in case, is not what majority can agree with. really, apologize for bad way to state about your problem or not true.

[Lauda]

I will watch if the DT users like mexxer-2 is explicitly abusing the DT.

No. From what I've analyzed there are two possible cases for you to think this:
1) You don't know how the system works.
2) You're among the people who got a deserved negative rating.
Make this easier by educating yourself and working towards a removal of the rating (if you have one) instead of wasting everyone's time.

[lottery248]

I will watch if the DT users like mexxer-2 is explicitly abusing the DT.

No. From what I've analyzed there are two possible cases for you to think this:
1) You don't know how the system works.
2) You're among the people who got a deserved negative rating.
Make this easier by educating yourself and working towards a removal of the rating (if you have one) instead of wasting everyone's time.

sorry, lauda. i am not just a kid anymore, even you don't calling me as gullible, once i saw your post, i found that you are indirectly calling me as gullible. even though i don't know how the system works, you are supposed to provide me a simple guide to me, instead of my problem. furthermore trust system in this forum is to ensure not getting the people from being the next victim of those scammers or criminals.

if you could not think about the probable risk for the bitcoin forum, such as DT users started to vandalize the forum hypothetically; which i have even started to think about this so as to give proposal to admins as advice preventing from the moderation fails. then, i am drown because i don't understand what you really wish regarding bitcoin forum.

if i am still not going right this time, then please do not reply with a bad way which could lead to a flame war (this shade is come from a gameplay forum in my early years).

edit: watching DT users doesn't mean i really wish to watch them, just a reaction to this thread.